Your zippyshare link is just trashy ,sorry , with lots of spams and others publicities, as the principe of cloning others engines.
Oh, Yes, another chance.jpqy wrote:Jose..it's just a asmFish when you compair..
JP.
I am speaking of the people who publicly state on this and/or other computer chess forums that they don't care if an engine is legitimate or not.BrendanJNorman wrote:Adam,Adam Hair wrote:a person who does not really give a damn about the computer chess community and whose only concern is what he/she can take from it. I am not claiming that this describes you, but you are claiming there is justification for this point of view.
If you knowingly receive stolen goods, does that not make a statement about your moral character?
If you choose to ignore signs that something may have been stolen, does that make receiving the item okay?
Most people who use chess engines (chess players, not "computer chess enthusiasts" per say) have no idea that there is such a "computer chess community", so I think it's false and unfair to claim that they do not give a damn about something they're ignorant of.
I know this is true. I did not find TalkChess at first when I first started to look for a free chess program to play against.Most of them use Stockfish and then perhaps a friend says "get Strelka (or whatever)" and they google it, find Chess Owl or some other site and download it. They have no idea of the background information.
I have seen little hostility towards innocent questions.Even I (who have used engines since around 1999) had no idea until I registered on this forum and felt the intensely hostile response, even for innocent questions.
Again, I do know that. I was referring to those who do have an inkling of the facts.It is very easy to buy/download an engine without being a member of talkchess, or keeping up to date with witchhunts for the latest suspected clone.
It is quite a twist in logic to connect my respose to you to Ed's position on Rybka.I got some idea a couple years ago when I downloaded an engine from Ed's site and was redirected to a page talking about Rybka being unfairly accused - would this mean that Ed doesn't give a damn about the community he gave his life to?
Ed was/is interested in fairness. He also dislikes undeclared clones and close derivatives.Probably not, he probably was more interested in fairness which is basically the position I was pushing as well.
My opinion of this place differs from yours. I can see how you can get a cold shoulder here if you declare that the end user, even when they know an engine is not what the "author" claims it to be, bears no responsibilty. After all, this is the place where authors and enthusiasts intersect and interact.I'm beginning to get the impression (and sad disappointment) that the "computer chess community" is a very unfriendly, cold place, where chessplayers curious about engines need to walk on eggshells to avoid abuse or negativity.
I'll think I'll have to opt out of this site in future. Enjoy your time fellas.
Anil,shrapnel wrote:Please don't go away, Norman, your Posts are very good and enlightening.BrendanJNorman wrote:Adam,Adam Hair wrote:a person who does not really give a damn about the computer chess community and whose only concern is what he/she can take from it. I am not claiming that this describes you, but you are claiming there is justification for this point of view.
If you knowingly receive stolen goods, does that not make a statement about your moral character?
If you choose to ignore signs that something may have been stolen, does that make receiving the item okay?
Most people who use chess engines (chess players, not "computer chess enthusiasts" per say) have no idea that there is such a "computer chess community", so I think it's false and unfair to claim that they do not give a damn about something they're ignorant of.
Most of them use Stockfish and then perhaps a friend says "get Strelka (or whatever)" and they google it, find Chess Owl or some other site and download it. They have no idea of the background information.
Even I (who have used engines since around 1999) had no idea until I registered on this forum and felt the intensely hostile response, even for innocent questions.
It is very easy to buy/download an engine without being a member of talkchess, or keeping up to date with witchhunts for the latest suspected clone.
I got some idea a couple years ago when I downloaded an engine from Ed's site and was redirected to a page talking about Rybka being unfairly accused - would this mean that Ed doesn't give a damn about the community he gave his life to?
Probably not, he probably was more interested in fairness which is basically the position I was pushing as well.
I'm beginning to get the impression (and sad disappointment) that the "computer chess community" is a very unfriendly, cold place, where chessplayers curious about engines need to walk on eggshells to avoid abuse or negativity.
I'll think I'll have to opt out of this site in future. Enjoy your time fellas.
Mostly a bunch of narrow-minded Bigots here, who are unable to appreciate any viewpoint which is even slightly different from their own. In fact, I sometimes wonder how some of these guys get along with people in their real lives (if any ! ).
This site seems to be only for chess programmers and I'm not one. Only my fascination for computer chess (just a Hobby) brings me back sometimes, to this site of cold, unfriendly people.
shrapnel wrote:Who carez ? Very strong Engine, easily beats Stockfish, Komodo and Houdini !Dann Corbit wrote:This one has no open source, and they disguise what they do.
Yep, so this is a great choice of an engine, if you want a copy of asmfish that runs slower! Please stop supporting these guys. They waste your time and steal credit from hard working programmers.velmarin wrote:Oh, Yes, another chance.jpqy wrote:Jose..it's just a asmFish when you compair..
JP.
My Friend, I do not support this project.mjlef wrote:
Yep, so this is a great choice of an engine, if you want a copy of asmfish that runs slower! Please stop supporting these guys. They waste your time and steal credit from hard working programmers.
"do not be a moralist"???? We should all act with morality. I assume you just do not really know about me. I was saying the same things long before I made a penny off of computer chess, and I will continue saying the same things in the future when I no longer make money from it. I started the chess programming wiki. I am the programmers representative for ICGA. I have worked with great chess programmers and for all of that I have never peen paid anything at all. I love computer chess and will do all that I can to save it, including calling out the program thieves.velmarin wrote:My Friend, I do not support this project.mjlef wrote:
Yep, so this is a great choice of an engine, if you want a copy of asmfish that runs slower! Please stop supporting these guys. They waste your time and steal credit from hard working programmers.
I just put the evidence.
Looking the other way does not fix anything.
You are here to make money, do not be a moralist.
So why do not you check my posts in this thread.mjlef wrote:"do not be a moralist"???? We should all act with morality. I assume you just do not really know about me. I was saying the same things long before I made a penny off of computer chess, and I will continue saying the same things in the future when I no longer make money from it. I started the chess programming wiki. I am the programmers representative for ICGA. I have worked with great chess programmers and for all of that I have never peen paid anything at all. I love computer chess and will do all that I can to save it, including calling out the program thieves.velmarin wrote:My Friend, I do not support this project.mjlef wrote:
Yep, so this is a great choice of an engine, if you want a copy of asmfish that runs slower! Please stop supporting these guys. They waste your time and steal credit from hard working programmers.
I just put the evidence.
Looking the other way does not fix anything.
You are here to make money, do not be a moralist.
Maybe you should be a little more moral too.
Mark
I never said anything to attack you, and I have read all your posts so far in this thread. And I welcome exposing Synapse as a clone.velmarin wrote:So why do not you check my posts in this thread.mjlef wrote:"do not be a moralist"???? We should all act with morality. I assume you just do not really know about me. I was saying the same things long before I made a penny off of computer chess, and I will continue saying the same things in the future when I no longer make money from it. I started the chess programming wiki. I am the programmers representative for ICGA. I have worked with great chess programmers and for all of that I have never peen paid anything at all. I love computer chess and will do all that I can to save it, including calling out the program thieves.velmarin wrote:My Friend, I do not support this project.mjlef wrote:
Yep, so this is a great choice of an engine, if you want a copy of asmfish that runs slower! Please stop supporting these guys. They waste your time and steal credit from hard working programmers.
I just put the evidence.
Looking the other way does not fix anything.
You are here to make money, do not be a moralist.
Maybe you should be a little more moral too.
Mark
I think I've only submitted evidence that this is a derivative or clone Stockfish, with no code delivered.
Because you attacked me.
Cuál de las versiones es más fuerte? Which version is stronger?fantasmadel50 wrote:Alguien tiene datos sobre este motor ? Se que las ultimas versiones son la 6 y 6.5. Alguien sabe cual es la mejor entre ellas.? Anyone have data on this engine? I know the latest versions are 6 and 6.5. Does anyone know which one is the best among them?