The Best KID Engine ??

Discussion of anything and everything relating to chess playing software and machines.

Moderators: hgm, Rebel, chrisw

BrendanJNorman
Posts: 2534
Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:43 am
Full name: Brendan J Norman

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by BrendanJNorman »

BeyondCritics wrote: This is kings indian...
Nevertheless i insist: Black should understand that he is fighting with the back against the wall. Very energetic action is required. So maybe with 10..h5 and 16..f5 and 19...b5 black can create enough of a mayhem.
All good! :lol:

Completely agree...every KID player who handles it in a passive way loses most of their games by getting positionally crushed - only energetic play by black can attempt to undermine white's space advantage.

We could generalize and say that if black hasn't managed ...b5 or ...f5 by move 15, it's time to resign. :lol:
User avatar
Master Om
Posts: 450
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:57 am
Location: INDIA

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by Master Om »

BrendanJNorman wrote:
BeyondCritics wrote: This is kings indian...
Nevertheless i insist: Black should understand that he is fighting with the back against the wall. Very energetic action is required. So maybe with 10..h5 and 16..f5 and 19...b5 black can create enough of a mayhem.
All good! :lol:

Completely agree...every KID player who handles it in a passive way loses most of their games by getting positionally crushed - only energetic play by black can attempt to undermine white's space advantage.

We could generalize and say that if black hasn't managed ...b5 or ...f5 by move 15, it's time to resign. :lol:

I agree.....
Always Expect the Unexpected
Werewolf
Posts: 1797
Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:24 pm

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by Werewolf »

Uri Blass wrote:
Master Om wrote:Means it needs more than a hour to find it in SPV ?
AFAIK no one uses 25 lines to analyse though.
Then whats the minimum MPV lines One should use to analyse ?
I do not know but maybe if you have 1 hour to analyze the best way to use it is to start with multi-pv with almost all the root moves except obvious tactical mistakes and reduce the number of lines after some minutes.
Well when I've suggested something like this before, it was denounced.

I imagined an exceptionally rich man with 50 very fast PCs. Each PC would analyse a different possible first move for the side to play.

People said it would yield less than 50 elo advantage over Stockfish running on 1 PC in single PV mode.

But I'm not not so sure.
fastgm
Posts: 818
Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:57 pm

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by fastgm »

Latest Stockfish: Intel Xeon E5-2686 v4, 32 threads

FEN: 1r3rk1/1n1bqpb1/p2p1np1/1ppPp2p/2P1P3/1P1BBP1P/P2Q2P1/3NRRNK w - - 0 20

Stockfish 170608 64 BMI2:

24/37 00:06 224.703k 37.351k +0,67 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 b4 22.Ld2 De7 23.a3 Dd8 24.Sf2 Te8 25.Lc2 a5 26.a4 Sh7 27.Sd3 f5 28.f4 fxe4 29.Sf2 Sf6 30.Sxe4 exf4 31.Sxf6+ Dxf6 32.Txf4 Lf5
25/37 00:08 351.930k 39.208k +0,66 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 b4 22.Ld2 a5 23.a4 bxa3 24.Sc3 h4 25.Lg5 Sh5 26.Sge2 Lf6 27.Lxf6 Sxf6 28.Dh6 Sh5 29.Ta1 De7 30.Txa3 Df6 31.Kg1 Tfe8 32.Kh2 Dg7 33.Dd2 f5
26/37 00:16 564.602k 34.045k +0,78 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 Dc8 22.Lh6 De8 23.Sc3 b4 24.Sce2 De7 25.Lxg7 Kxg7 26.f4 Tfe8 27.Sf3 a5 28.a4 bxa3 29.Dxa3 a4 30.fxe5 dxe5 31.bxa4 Sa5 32.Sc3 h4 33.Sg5 Tb3
27/41 00:20 682.329k 33.436k +0,80 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 Sh7 22.Ld2 Dd8 23.f4 exf4 24.Lxf4 Da5 25.Dc2 Tfe8 26.Sf3 bxc4 27.Lxc4 Lb5 28.e5 dxe5 29.Lxe5 Tbd8 30.Lf4 Lxc4 31.bxc4 Txe1 32.Txe1 Sd6 33.Lxd6
28/42 00:22 776.976k 34.378k +0,87 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 Dc8 22.Lh6 Dd8 23.Sc3 Lxh6 24.Dxh6 Sh7 25.f4 b4 26.Sd1 Df6 27.Sf3 Dxf4 28.Dxf4 exf4 29.e5 Kg7 30.e6 fxe6 31.dxe6 Lc6 32.e7 Tfe8 33.Sh4 g5 34.Sf5+ Kf6 35.Sh6 Txe7 36.Txe7 Kxe7 37.Te1+ Kd7 38.Lxh7
29/43 00:46 1.849.147k 39.536k +0,93 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 Dc8 22.Sc3 b4 23.Sce2 De8 24.Ld2 De7 25.f4 exf4 26.Lxf4 Sxe4 27.Lxe4 Dxe4 28.Sc3 Dxe1 29.Txe1 Lxc3 30.Ld2 Lf6 31.Tf1 Lg7 32.Lh6 f6 33.Se2 Tbe8 34.Lxg7 Kxg7 35.Sf4 Te4 36.Dd2 Te7
30/43 00:51 2.047.976k 40.006k +0,85 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 Dc8 22.Lh6 Dc7 23.Ld2 Le8 24.Sf2 Ta8 25.Se2 Ld7 26.Kg1 Tab8 27.g4 Sa5 28.Kg2 bxc4 29.bxc4 Tb4 30.Dc2 La4 31.Dc3 Ld7 32.a3 Ta4 33.Ta1 Sh7 34.gxh5 gxh5
31/46 00:53 2.141.116k 40.196k +0,92 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 Dc8 22.Sc3 b4 23.Sce2 Sh7 24.Lh6 a5 25.a4 bxa3 26.Lxg7 Kxg7 27.Dxa3 g5 28.Da1 f6 29.Sg3 h4 30.Sf5+ Lxf5 31.exf5 Sd8 32.Tb1 Sf7 33.Se2 Tb4 34.Sc3 Db7 35.Tfe1 Tb8 36.Kg1 Sf8 37.Lc2 Ta8 38.Da2 Sd7 39.Da3 Db6 40.Dc1 Sh6 41.Ta1 Sf7
32/46 00:54 2.187.719k 40.297k +0,91 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 Dc8 22.Sc3 Sh7 23.Lh6 b4 24.Sce2 a5 25.a4 bxa3 26.Lxg7 Kxg7 27.Dxa3 g5 28.Dc1 f6 29.Sg3 h4 30.Sf5+ Lxf5 31.exf5 a4 32.bxa4 Sa5 33.Se2 Dd7 34.Sc3 Tb4 35.Sb5 Ta8 36.Dc3 Txa4 37.Tb1 Ta2 38.Kg1 Sb7 39.Db3
33/47 00:56 2.295.503k 40.496k +0,89 20.Lg5 De8 21.Dc1 Dc8 22.Sc3 b4 23.Sce2 Sh7 24.Lh6 a5 25.a4 bxa3 26.Lxg7 Kxg7 27.Dxa3 g5 28.Dc1 f6 29.Sg3 h4 30.Sf5+ Lxf5 31.exf5 a4 32.bxa4 Sa5 33.Se2 Dd7 34.Sc3 Tb4 35.Sb5 Ta8 36.Dc3 Txa4 37.Tb1 Sf8 38.Tf2 Sb7 39.De1 Tb4 40.Tfb2 Txb2 41.Txb2 Sh7 42.Kg1 Tb8 43.Sc3
34/52 03:44 9.364.969k 41.734k +1,18 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 b4 23.Lg5 Lf6 24.Lh6 Kh7 25.Lxf8 Txf8 26.Tf3 Lg5 27.Dc2 Te8 28.Se3 a5 29.Tef1 Kg8 30.Dd1 a4 31.fxg6 fxg6 32.bxa4 Ta8 33.Lc2 Tb8 34.Dd3 Sa5 35.Kg1 Kg7 36.Tf7+ Dxf7 37.Txf7+ Kxf7 38.Sf1 Kg7 39.Sd2 Tf8 40.Sf3 Le7 41.Kf2 g5
35/52 04:18 10.837.264k 41.932k +1,27 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 b4 23.Lg5 Lf6 24.Lh6 Kh7 25.Lxf8 Txf8 26.Tf3 Lg5 27.Db2 Tg8 28.Sf2 a5 29.a3 Sf6 30.a4 Sd8 31.Tg1 Sh5 32.Db1 Te8 33.Dc2 Kh8 34.Db2 Kh7 35.Da1 Sb7 36.g4 Sf4 37.Dd1 Kg7 38.Sxf4 Lxf4 39.Kg2 Dg5 40.Th1
36/52 04:23 11.072.035k 41.964k +1,23 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 b4 23.Lg5 Lf6 24.Lh6 Kh7 25.Lxf8 Txf8 26.Tf3 Lg5 27.Dc2 Tg8 28.Sf2 Kh8 29.Tg1 a5 30.a3 Sd8 31.Tf1 Sb7 32.Sg4 De8 33.Db2 Tg7 34.Sf2 Tg8 35.Lc2 De7 36.Da1 Ld2 37.fxg6 Txg6 38.Sg4 Lxg4 39.hxg4 Dg5 40.Txf7 Sg3+ 41.Sxg3
37/62 11:31 30.218.808k 43.690k +1,47 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 Ta8 23.Lg5 Lf6 24.Lh6 Kh7 25.Lxf8 Txf8 26.Tf3 Lg5 27.Dc2 b4 28.Tef1 Df6 29.g3 hxg3 30.Sxg3 Sf4 31.Se2 Kg7 32.Sxf4 Lxf4 33.Tg1 Dh4 34.Tg4 Dh5 35.Se3 Tg8 36.Kg1 Kf8 37.Df2 Dh8 38.Sg2 gxf5 39.Txg8+ Dxg8 40.exf5 f6
38/65 17:59 48.004.089k 44.464k +1,60 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 Ta8 23.Tf2 Lf6 24.Lh6 Kh7 25.Lxf8 Txf8 26.Se3 Lg5 27.Tef1 gxf5 28.Sxf5 Lxf5 29.exf5 Df6 30.Dc2 b4 31.Tf3 Dh6 32.g4 hxg3 33.Sxg3 Sf4 34.Se4 Tg8 35.Dh2 f6 36.Tg1 Lh4 37.Lc2 Dh5 38.Tg4 Txg4 39.hxg4 Dh6 40.Tf1 Kg8 41.Ta1 Kf8 42.Kg1
39/66 24:52 66.833.158k 44.793k +1,47 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 Kh7 23.Tf3 Th8 24.Sf2 Tbg8 25.a3 g5 26.Lxg5 Lf6 27.Le3 Lg5 28.Sg4 Lxe3 29.Txe3 Sf6 30.Sh2 Df8 31.Sg1 Dh6 32.Sgf3 Tg7 33.Df2 Kg8 34.T1e2 b4 35.Ta2 Df4 36.Te1 bxa3 37.Txa3 a5 38.Ta2 Kf8 39.Sf1 Ke7 40.Te3 a4 41.bxa4 Sa5 42.De2 Sh5 43.De1 Sg3+ 44.Kg1
40/66 26:57 72.484.031k 44.811k +1,58 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 Kh7 23.Tf3 Th8 24.Sf2 Tbg8 25.Kg1 Lf6 26.Sg4 g5 27.a3 Sf4 28.b4 Ta8 29.bxc5 Sxc5 30.Lxc5 dxc5 31.Sxf4 gxf4 32.Dc3 Thg8 33.Tb1 Txg4 34.hxg4 Tb8 35.Tff1 b4 36.axb4 cxb4 37.Db2 a5 38.Df2 Le8 39.c5 a4 40.c6 h3 41.Df3 Lh4 42.Dxh3 Kg8 43.g5 Dc5+ 44.Kh2
41/66 29:11 78.497.971k 44.817k +1,47 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 Kh7 23.Tf3 Th8 24.Sf2 Tbg8 25.Kg1 Lf6 26.Sg4 g5 27.a3 Sf4 28.b4 Ta8 29.bxc5 Sxc5 30.Sxf4 gxf4 31.Lxc5 dxc5 32.Dc3 Thg8 33.Tb1 Tab8 34.Txf4 b4 35.axb4 cxb4 36.Da1 Txg4 37.Txg4 Dc5+ 38.Kf1 a5 39.Db2 a4 40.De2 a3 41.Txh4+ Kg8 42.Tg4+ Kf8 43.Df2 Dxf2+ 44.Kxf2 Le7
42/66 31:20 84.318.118k 44.843k +1,41 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 Kh7 23.Tf3 Th8 24.Sf2 Tbg8 25.Kg1 Lf6 26.Sg4 g5 27.a3 Sf4 28.b4 Ta8 29.bxc5 Sxc5 30.Lxc5 dxc5 31.Sxf4 gxf4 32.Dc3 Thg8 33.Tb1 Tab8 34.Txf4 b4 35.Db2 a5 36.axb4 cxb4 37.Tff1 a4 38.Df2 Txg4 39.hxg4 Tc8 40.Db6 b3 41.Kf2 Lg5 42.Th1 Lf4 43.c5 Dxc5+ 44.Dxc5 Lg3+ 45.Kf3 Txc5 46.Ke3 Lf4+ 47.Kf3 Lg5
43/66 40:45 109.994.841k 44.980k +1,56 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 b4 23.Lg5 Lf6 24.Lh6 Kh8 25.Lxf8 Dxf8 26.Sf2 Dg7 27.Sg4 Le7 28.De3 Te8 29.Lc2 a5 30.a3 gxf5 31.exf5 Lg5 32.Df3 Dh7 33.Tb1 Tg8 34.Le4 f6 35.Kg1 Ta8 36.Ld3 Tf8 37.Lc2 Te8 38.Sf2 Dh6 39.Ta1 Le3 40.axb4 cxb4 41.Kh2 Lxf2 42.Dxf2 Dg5 43.Db6 Sc5 44.Dxd6 De3
44/66 44:07 119.232.306k 45.033k +1,59 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 b4 23.Lg5 Lf6 24.Lh6 Kh8 25.Lxf8 Dxf8 26.Sf2 Dg7 27.Sg4 Le7 28.De3 Te8 29.Lc2 a5 30.a3 gxf5 31.exf5 Lg5 32.Df3 Dh7 33.Tb1 Tg8 34.Le4 f6 35.Lc2 Ta8 36.Kg1 Te8 37.Ld3 Tg8 38.Df2 Te8 39.axb4 e4 40.Lc2 cxb4 41.Db6 Lxf5 42.Txf5 Dxf5 43.Dxb7 Dg6 44.Sd4 f5 45.Lxe4 fxe4 46.Db6 Lf6 47.Se6 Sg3 48.Dxd6
45/66 1:02:26 169.857.709k 45.340k +1,59 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 b4 23.Tg1 a5 24.Sf2 a4 25.Lg5 f6 26.Lxh4 g5 27.Lg3 Sxg3+ 28.Sxg3 Ta8 29.Tb1 Le8 30.Tgf1 Lf7 31.Le2 axb3 32.axb3 Ta3 33.Lh5 Sa5 34.Lxf7+ Kxf7 35.Dc2 Ta8 36.Kh2 De8 37.Sg4 Dh8 38.Tb2 Kg8 39.Tg1 Kf8 40.Tgb1 Sb7 41.Dd1 Kg8 42.Sh5 Sd8 43.Df3 Sb7 44.De2 T3a7 45.Sf2
46/66 1:05:21 177.924.347k 45.372k +1,59 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 b4 23.Tg1 a5 24.Sf2 a4 25.Lg5 f6 26.Lxh4 g5 27.Lg3 Sxg3+ 28.Sxg3 Ta8 29.Tb1 Le8 30.Sg4 Lf7 31.Tb2 axb3 32.axb3 Ta3 33.Kh2 Kh7 34.Tgb1 Tfa8 35.Le2 De8 36.Dd1 Dh8 37.Sf2 Kg8 38.Lh5 Lxh5 39.Sxh5 Dh7 40.Sg4 Dh8 41.De2 T3a7 42.Sf2 Ta3 43.Sd3 Dh7 44.Kh1 Dh6 45.Kg1 Sd8 46.Tf1 Dh8 47.Tfb1
47/70 1:58:36 324.471.231k 45.595k +1,60 20.f4 exf4 21.Lxf4 Sh7 22.Sf3 Le5 23.Sxe5 dxe5 24.Lh6 Tfe8 25.Df2 Tbc8 26.Le3 f6 27.Kg1 Kg7 28.Sc3 b4 29.Sb1 Sg5 30.Sd2 Sf7 31.a3 a5 32.Ta1 Th8 33.Sf3 g5 34.axb4 axb4 35.Ta7 Sfd6 36.Dd2 Tcf8 37.Tfa1 h4 38.Sh2 Tc8 39.De2 Tcf8 40.Sg4 Tc8 41.Df3 Thf8 42.T1a6 Lxg4 43.Dxg4 Th8 44.Df3 Tcf8
.
User avatar
Master Om
Posts: 450
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:57 am
Location: INDIA

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by Master Om »

Werewolf wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Master Om wrote:Means it needs more than a hour to find it in SPV ?
AFAIK no one uses 25 lines to analyse though.
Then whats the minimum MPV lines One should use to analyse ?
I do not know but maybe if you have 1 hour to analyze the best way to use it is to start with multi-pv with almost all the root moves except obvious tactical mistakes and reduce the number of lines after some minutes.
Well when I've suggested something like this before, it was denounced.

I imagined an exceptionally rich man with 50 very fast PCs. Each PC would analyse a different possible first move for the side to play.

People said it would yield less than 50 elo advantage over Stockfish running on 1 PC in single PV mode.

But I'm not not so sure.
Well we are not rich enough to find such pcs. So we need a poor way to find the best move. Now I have got a spark what to do in idea such that I dont miss any move. Your idea makes clear that programs are far for being perfect atleast in KID.
Always Expect the Unexpected
fastgm
Posts: 818
Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:57 pm

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by fastgm »

...and with 1 thread

FEN: 1r3rk1/1n1bqpb1/p2p1np1/1ppPp2p/2P1P3/1P1BBP1P/P2Q2P1/3NRRNK w - - 0 20

Stockfish 170608 64 BMI2:


19/28 00:02 3.567k 1.432k +0,66 20.Lg5 De8 21.Se2 b4 22.Sf2 Sh7 23.Lh4 f5 24.exf5 gxf5 25.Tg1 Lf6 26.Lxf6 Txf6 27.h4 Dd8 28.g3 a5 29.a4 bxa3 30.Ta1 Db6 31.Txa3 Db4 32.Da2
20/32 00:06 9.329k 1.390k +0,69 20.Sf2 b4 21.Lg5 De8 22.f4 Sh7 23.Lh4 exf4 24.Dxf4 f6 25.Dd2 g5 26.Lg3 g4 27.Lf4 Df7 28.De3 f5 29.exf5 Lxf5 30.hxg4 Lxd3
21/32 00:09 12.635k 1.392k +0,71 20.Sf2 Sh7 21.Dc2 Tbe8 22.Ld2 b4 23.a3 a5 24.a4 f5 25.f4 Df7 26.Sf3 exf4 27.exf5 Txe1 28.Txe1 Lxf5 29.Lxf4 Lxd3 30.Sxd3 Lc3
22/32 00:11 15.708k 1.401k +0,80 20.Lg5 De8 21.Se2 b4 22.Lh4 Sh7 23.Kg1 a5 24.a4 bxa3 25.Sdc3 Dc8 26.Sb5 Lxb5 27.cxb5 Lf6 28.Lxf6 Sxf6 29.Da2 c4 30.bxc4 Dc5+ 31.Kh2 a4 32.f4 exf4 33.Txf4
23/33 00:11 16.645k 1.403k +0,70 20.Lg5 De8 21.Se2 b4 22.Lh4 Sh7 23.Kg1 a5 24.a4 bxa3 25.Sdc3 f5 26.exf5 gxf5 27.Ta1 Dg6 28.Txa3 Lh6 29.De1 Le3+ 30.Kh1 Tf7 31.Sg3 Lg5 32.Lxg5 Dxg5
24/39 00:22 31.648k 1.424k +0,66 20.Lg5 De8 21.Se2 b4 22.Lh4 Sh7 23.Sb2 a5 24.Lc2 a4 25.Sxa4 Lxa4 26.bxa4 Sa5 27.Dd3 Sf6 28.Sc1 Sd7 29.Sb3 Sb7 30.a3 Ta8 31.axb4 cxb4 32.Dd2 Txa4
25/39 00:44 63.807k 1.443k +0,71 20.Sf2 b4 21.Lg5 De8 22.Dc1 Sh7 23.Ld2 De7 24.f4 exf4 25.Lxf4 g5 26.Lh2 g4 27.Se2 Dh4 28.Lg3 De7 29.hxg4 hxg4 30.Kg1 Tfe8 31.Lc2 Sf8 32.e5 Lxe5 33.Se4
26/39 01:01 88.856k 1.448k +0,62 20.Sf2 b4 21.Lg5 De8 22.Dc1 a5 23.a4 bxa3 24.Dxa3 Sh7 25.Ld2 Dd8 26.Se2 Lf6 27.Kg1 Lg5 28.Da2 Lxd2 29.Dxd2 Dg5 30.Dxg5 Sxg5 31.h4 Sh7 32.Ta1 Tfe8 33.Sc3 Kg7 34.Sb5 Sf6 35.Sc7
27/39 01:05 95.480k 1.449k +0,64 20.Sf2 b4 21.Lg5 De8 22.Dc1 a5 23.a4 bxa3 24.Dxa3 Sh7 25.Ld2 Dd8 26.Se2 Lf6 27.Kg1 Lg5 28.Da2 Lxd2 29.Dxd2 Dg5 30.Dxg5 Sxg5 31.h4 Sh7 32.Sc3 Kg7 33.g3 Sf6 34.Ta1 Ta8 35.Kg2 Tfb8 36.Sb5 Tg8 37.Sc3
28/40 01:20 117.489k 1.457k +0,62 20.Sf2 b4 21.Lg5 De8 22.Lh6 De7 23.Lc2 Lxh6 24.Dxh6 h4 25.f4 Sh5 26.Sf3 Sg3+ 27.Kg1 Sxf1 28.Kxf1 f6 29.Dxg6+ Dg7 30.Dh5 Dh7 31.Dxh4 Dxh4 32.Sxh4 exf4 33.Sd3 Tf7 34.Sxf4 Th7 35.Shg6
29/42 01:31 133.485k 1.460k +0,70 20.Sf2 b4 21.Lg5 De8 22.Lh6 De7 23.Lc2 Lxh6 24.Dxh6 h4 25.f4 Sh5 26.Sf3 Sg3+ 27.Kg1 Sxf1 28.Kxf1 f6 29.Dxg6+ Dg7 30.Sxh4 Dxg6 31.Sxg6 Tfe8 32.f5 Sd8 33.Sh1 a5 34.Sg3 Ta8 35.h4 Kf7 36.Kf2 Sb7 37.Sh5 a4
30/44 03:37 320.232k 1.469k +0,77 20.Sf2 Le8 21.Dc1 Ld7 22.Lg5 Dd8 23.f4 Da5 24.fxe5 dxe5 25.Sf3 Sh7 26.Lh6 f6 27.Lxg7 Kxg7 28.Te2 g5 29.De3 Tbc8 30.Tc1 Sd6 31.Kg1 bxc4 32.Lxc4 g4 33.hxg4 hxg4 34.Sh2 Sxc4 35.Txc4
31/44 05:31 487.328k 1.469k +0,83 20.Sf2 Le8 21.Dc1 Ld7 22.Lg5 Dd8 23.f4 Da5 24.fxe5 dxe5 25.Sf3 Tfe8 26.Dc2 Dc7 27.Le3 Tbc8 28.Kg1 Sd6 29.Sd1 Sh7 30.Sh4 g5 31.Sf5 Sxf5 32.exf5 e4 33.Lxe4 bxc4 34.bxc4 Sf6 35.Sc3 g4
32/48 10:37 940.279k 1.475k +0,68 20.Sf2 b4 21.Lg5 De8 22.Lh6 De7 23.Lxg7 Kxg7 24.f4 Th8 25.fxe5 dxe5 26.Lc2 h4 27.Ld1 Sd6 28.Lf3 a5 29.Sd3 Sb7 30.Df2 Tbc8 31.Kh2 a4 32.Ld1 Sd6 33.Sxc5 axb3 34.axb3 Le8 35.Sf3 Sxc4 36.Se6+ fxe6 37.bxc4 Txc4 38.Sxe5 Txe4 39.dxe6 Txe1
33/48 11:01 977.173k 1.476k +0,85 20.Sf2 b4 21.Lg5 De8 22.Lh6 De7 23.Lxg7 Kxg7 24.f4 Th8 25.fxe5 dxe5 26.Lc2 h4 27.Ld1 Sd6 28.Lf3 a5 29.Sd3 Sb7 30.Df2 Tbc8 31.Kh2 Sh7 32.Ld1 Sg5 33.Sf3 Sxf3+ 34.gxf3 g5 35.f4 exf4 36.Dg2 Kh7 37.e5 Lf5 38.d6 De6 39.Dxg5 Lxd3 40.Txf4
34/48- 11:23 1.010.884k 1.478k +0,78 20.Sf2 b4
34/48+ 12:26 1.106.144k 1.482k +0,85 20.f4
34/50+ 13:50 1.235.543k 1.487k +1,12 20.f4
34/53- 15:54 1.427.636k 1.495k +0,99 20.f4 h4
34/53+ 18:48 1.695.974k 1.503k +1,16 20.f4
34/53 20:50 1.887.860k 1.510k +1,12 20.f4 h4 21.f5 Sh5 22.Se2 b4 23.Lg5 Lf6 24.Lh6 Kh7 25.Lxf8 Txf8 26.Tf3 Lg5 27.Dc2 Te8 28.fxg6+ fxg6 29.Tef1 Kg8 30.Sb2 a5 31.Dd1 Kg7 32.Da1 Lf4 33.Sxf4 exf4 34.Sa4+ Kg8 35.e5 dxe5 36.Lxg6 Sg3+ 37.Txg3 hxg3 38.Lxe8 Dxe8 39.Sb6 Lf5 40.De1
.
Jeroen
Posts: 501
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:49 pm

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by Jeroen »

Ah, 20.f4! As expected. For a human this is quite obvious :-). Probably engines don't like it at first, as it leads to a 'weak' square on e5 and Bg7 gets more mobility.
Jeroen
Posts: 501
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:49 pm

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by Jeroen »

..... and Kh2 wins too.

This is by far the weirdest comment in this whole thread....

If you are not interested in a position, why bother to get involved in the discussion anyway?
User avatar
Master Om
Posts: 450
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:57 am
Location: INDIA

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by Master Om »

Jeroen wrote:..... and Kh2 wins too.

This is by far the weirdest comment in this whole thread....

If you are not interested in a position, why bother to get involved in the discussion anyway?
True....
Always Expect the Unexpected
User avatar
Master Om
Posts: 450
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:57 am
Location: INDIA

Re: The Best KID Engine ??

Post by Master Om »

Jeroen wrote:Ah, 20.f4! As expected. For a human this is quite obvious :-). Probably engines don't like it at first, as it leads to a 'weak' square on e5 and Bg7 gets more mobility.
True. For engines obvious is not obvious :D
Always Expect the Unexpected