Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

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Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

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Komodo 11.01 64-bit - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

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Komodo 11.01 64-bit:

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 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.520k	11.376k	+0,21	1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Bxd2+ 6.Qxd2 d5 7.Bg2 0-0 8.Ne5 Nbd7 9.Nc3 Bb7 10.0-0 Qe7 11.Rfd1 Rad8 12.Qf4 c5 13.cxd5 exd5 14.e3 Rfe8 15.Nxd7 Rxd7 16.b3 h6 17.Rac1 Rdd8 18.dxc5 bxc5 19.Na4 Rc8 20.Qf5 Red8 21.Qc2 c4 22.Nc3 a5 23.Rb1 Bc6 24.Rd4 cxb3 25.axb3 Bb7 26.Rbd1 Qc7

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.521k	11.376k	+0,18	1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bf4 Bf5 7.e3 e6 8.Ne5 Nxe5 9.Bxe5 Nd7 10.Bg3 h5 11.h3 Rc8 12.Rc1 Qb6 13.Qd2 h4 14.Bf4 Bd6 15.Bxd6 Qxd6 16.Bd3 Bxd3 17.Qxd3 0-0 18.0-0 Nf6 19.Rc2 Qb8 20.Rfc1 a6 21.e4 Qf4 22.e5 Ne4 23.Nxe4 Rxc2 24.Rxc2 dxe4 25.Qe3

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.522k	11.376k	+0,13	1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 c5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Ngf3 cxd4 6.Bc4 Qd6 7.0-0 Nf6 8.Re1 Be7 9.Nb3 Nc6 10.Nbxd4 Nxd4 11.Nxd4 0-0 12.c3 Qc7 13.Bd3 Rd8 14.Qf3 Bd6 15.h3 Be5 16.Be3 Bd7 17.Rad1 h6 18.Nb5 Bxb5 19.Bxb5 Rd5 20.Rxd5 Nxd5 21.Bd3 Rd8 22.Qe4 f5 23.Qc4 a6 24.Bd2 Qd6 25.Qb3 Bh2+ 26.Kh1

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.522k	11.376k	+0,10	1.g3 c5 2.Bg2 Nc6 3.Nf3 g6 4.c4 Bg7 5.Nc3 d6 6.0-0 Bf5 7.d3 Qd7 8.Rb1 Bh3 9.a3 Nf6 10.b4 Bxg2 11.Kxg2 0-0 12.Bg5 Nh5 13.Qd2 Bxc3 14.Qxc3 f6 15.Bh6 Rfe8 16.b5 Ne5 17.Nxe5 dxe5 18.f3 Ng7 19.Bxg7 Kxg7 20.a4 Red8 21.a5 Rac8 22.Ra1 Ra8 23.Rfb1 Rac8 24.Qd2 Ra8 25.b6 Qd4 26.bxa7

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.523k	11.376k	+0,10	1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.g3 d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.Bg2 Nb6 7.d3 Be7 8.Be3 0-0 9.0-0 Be6 10.a3 Nd5 11.Bd2 Qd7 12.Ne4 f6 13.Rc1 Rad8 14.Re1 a6 15.Qc2 Kh8 16.Nc5 Bxc5 17.Qxc5 Bh3 18.Qc2 Nde7 19.Be3 Bxg2 20.Kxg2 Nf5 21.Qb3 Qc8 22.Nd2 Nxe3+ 23.fxe3 g5 24.Qc4 f5 25.Nf3 h6 26.Qc3 Qe6

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.523k	11.376k	+0,10	1.e3 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.c4 e6 4.b3 Be7 5.d4 0-0 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.bxc4 c5 8.Bb2 b6 9.0-0 Bb7 10.Nc3 cxd4 11.exd4 Nc6 12.Rc1 Re8 13.Qd2 Bd6 14.Nb5 Bb4 15.Qe3 Bf8 16.h3 a6 17.Nc3 Ne7 18.Ne4 Nxe4 19.Bxe4 Nf5 20.Bxf5 exf5 21.Qb3 Be4 22.Rfe1 Qc7 23.d5 Bd6 24.Bd4 Rab8 25.a4 Bf4

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.523k	11.376k	 0,00	1.c3 d5 2.Nf3 c5 3.d4 Nf6 4.Bf4 Nc6 5.e3 Nh5 6.dxc5 Nxf4 7.exf4 e6 8.b4 Qf6 9.g3 Bd7 10.Bg2 Nxb4 11.Ne5 Nc6 12.Nxd7 Kxd7 13.0-0 Kc7 14.Na3 Bxc5 15.Nb5+ Kb8 16.c4 a6 17.cxd5 exd5 18.Rc1 Bb4 19.Qxd5 axb5 20.Qxb5 Ra5 21.Qb6 Ra6 22.Qb5 Ra5

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.524k	11.376k	 0,00	1.a3 c5 2.c3 d5 3.d4 e6 4.Bf4 Nf6 5.e3 Bd6 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.c4 0-0 9.Nc3 d4 10.exd4 Nxd4 11.Be2 Nxf3+ 12.Bxf3 Bd4 13.Nb5 Bxb2 14.Rb1 e5 15.Rxb2 Qxd1+ 16.Bxd1 exf4 17.Nc7 Rb8 18.Na6 Ra8 19.Nc7

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.524k	11.376k	 0,00	1.h3 d5 2.d4 c5 3.e3 Nf6 4.c4 cxd4 5.exd4 Nc6 6.Nf3 g6 7.c5 Bg7 8.Nc3 0-0 9.Bb5 Ne4 10.0-0 Qa5 11.Bxc6 bxc6 12.Bf4 Nxc3 13.bxc3 Qxc3 14.Re1 Bf5 15.Rxe7 Rfe8 16.Qe1 Qxe1+ 17.Raxe1 Be4 18.Rxe8+ Rxe8 19.Bd6 Rc8 20.Ng5 Bf5 21.Nf3 Be4

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.525k	11.376k	 0,00	1.Nc3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.Bf4 e6 4.Nb5 Bd6 5.Nxd6+ cxd6 6.c3 Nc6 7.Nf3 0-0 8.Bg3 Qe7 9.e3 e5 10.Be2 a6 11.0-0 h6 12.Re1 Bf5 13.h3 Rfe8 14.Nd2 Qd7 15.Qb3 Qc7 16.Bh4 g5 17.Bg3 Bg6 18.Qd1 Kg7 19.Rc1 Rad8 20.Qb3 Na5 21.Qb4 Nc6 22.Qb3

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.525k	11.376k	 0,00	1.b3 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bb2 Bg4 4.e3 e6 5.Be2 h6 6.0-0 Nbd7 7.c4 c6 8.d4 Bd6 9.c5 Bc7 10.Nbd2 Bf5 11.b4 0-0 12.a4 Ne4 13.b5 Nxd2 14.Nxd2 Qf6 15.Nf3 Rab8 16.Rc1 Rfd8 17.Bc3 Qe7 18.h3 Be4 19.Nd2 Bf5 20.Nf3

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.526k	11.376k	 0,00	1.d3 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 c5 4.c4 dxc4 5.Qa4+ Bd7 6.Qxc4 Nc6 7.Qxc5 e5 8.Qc2 Rc8 9.Qd1 Bb4+ 10.Bd2 e4 11.dxe4 Nxe4 12.Nc3 Bxc3 13.Bxc3 Qb6 14.e3 Nxc3 15.bxc3 Qc5 16.Rc1 Bg4 17.Be2 Bh3 18.Bf1 Be6 19.Be2 Bh3

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.526k	11.376k	-0,12	1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 Bxb4 3.Bxe5 Nf6 4.e3 0-0 5.c4 d5 6.Nf3 Bf5 7.a3 Bd6 8.d4 Bxe5 9.dxe5 Ne4 10.cxd5 c6 11.Be2 cxd5 12.0-0 Qe7 13.Qxd5 Rd8 14.Qb3 Nc6 15.Nc3 Nc5 16.Qa2 Nxe5 17.Nd4 Bg6 18.Nd5 Qd7 19.Nf4 Be4 20.Rfd1 Qe7 21.f3 Bc6 22.Nf5 Qf6 23.Nd4 Rac8 24.Rac1 b6 25.Qc2

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.527k	11.376k	-0,15	1.a4 d5 2.d4 Bf5 3.c3 e6 4.Bf4 Bd6 5.e3 Bxf4 6.exf4 Ne7 7.Nf3 0-0 8.Be2 Nd7 9.0-0 c5 10.dxc5 Nxc5 11.Nd4 Qb6 12.Ra2 Bg6 13.g3 Nc6 14.a5 Qc7 15.Re1 Rac8 16.Ra3 Ne4 17.a6 Nxd4 18.Qxd4 b6 19.Nd2 Nd6 20.Qe3 Rfd8 21.Raa1 Bf5 22.g4 Be4 23.Nxe4 Nxe4 24.Rad1 h6

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.527k	11.376k	-0,17	1.f4 Nf6 2.Nf3 c5 3.Nc3 d5 4.e3 g6 5.Bb5+ Bd7 6.Qe2 Nc6 7.Ne5 Qc7 8.Nxd7 Qxd7 9.d3 Bg7 10.e4 0-0 11.Bd2 a6 12.Bxc6 Qxc6 13.e5 Nd7 14.0-0-0 d4 15.Ne4 f5 16.exf6 exf6 17.Rhe1 Rfe8 18.Qf3 f5 19.Ng5 Qxf3 20.Nxf3 Nb6 21.g3 Nd5 22.Ne5 b6 23.Nc4 Bf6 24.b3 b5 25.Ne5 Bxe5 26.fxe5 Kf7 27.Kb2

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.534k	11.376k	-0,28	1.h4 d5 2.d4 c5 3.c3 Nc6 4.Nf3 e6 5.Bf4 Bd6 6.Bxd6 Qxd6 7.e3 Nf6 8.Bb5 0-0 9.0-0 Bd7 10.a4 a6 11.Bxc6 Bxc6 12.Ne5 Ne4 13.Nxc6 bxc6 14.Nd2 Nxd2 15.dxc5 Qxc5 16.Qxd2 e5 17.h5 h6 18.Qe2 Rab8 19.e4 a5 20.exd5 cxd5 21.Rad1 Rfe8 22.Rfe1 f6 23.Rd2 d4 24.Qd3 Qd5 25.cxd4

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.534k	11.376k	-0,40	1.Nh3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nf4 c5 4.e3 Nc6 5.Bb5 Qb6 6.Nc3 e6 7.0-0 Be7 8.dxc5 Qxc5 9.Nd3 Qd6 10.b3 0-0 11.Ne2 Nb8 12.Ba4 a6 13.b4 Bd7 14.Bb3 a5 15.bxa5 Nc6 16.a4 Rfc8 17.Bb2 e5 18.c4 Be6 19.c5 Qc7 20.Nc3 Qd8 21.Nb5 Ne4 22.Nxe5 Nxa5 23.c6 bxc6 24.Nd4 Qb6 25.f3 Nxb3

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.535k	11.376k	-0,41	1.Na3 e5 2.c4 c6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Qxd4 d5 6.e3 a6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Nc2 Nc6 9.Qd1 Bd6 10.Be2 0-0 11.0-0 Ne4 12.Ncd4 Re8 13.Bd2 Bd7 14.Rc1 Qb6 15.Bc3 Rac8 16.h3 h6 17.Nxc6 bxc6 18.Bd3 Bf5 19.Nd4 Bg6 20.Bxe4 Bxe4 21.b4 c5 22.bxc5 Bxc5 23.Qg4 Qg6 24.Qxg6 Bxg6 25.Rfd1 Be4

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.535k	11.376k	-0,47	1.f3 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.e4 Nf6 4.Bb5 Nd4 5.Nge2 c6 6.Bd3 Bc5 7.Na4 Bd6 8.0-0 Ne6 9.Bc4 0-0 10.Bxe6 fxe6 11.d3 b5 12.Nac3 Bc5+ 13.Kh1 d5 14.a3 Qb6 15.Qe1 Bb7 16.Bg5 Bd6 17.Nd1 c5 18.Nf2 Qc7 19.Ng3 a5 20.Qd2 Bc6 21.exd5 exd5 22.Nf5 h6 23.Nxd6 Qxd6 24.Bxf6 Rxf6 25.Ng4

 46	189:19:46	7.753.813.535k	11.376k	-0,85	1.g4 d5 2.c4 Bxg4 3.Qb3 dxc4 4.Qxb7 Nd7 5.Na3 Rb8 6.Qg2 Be6 7.Nh3 Nb6 8.Ng5 Bd5 9.e4 h6 10.Nh7 Rxh7 11.exd5 Qxd5 12.Qxd5 Nxd5 13.Nxc4 e6 14.b3 Nb4 15.Ke2 Ne7 16.Bb2 g5 17.h4 g4 18.Bg2 Ng6 19.Be5 Nxe5 20.Nxe5 f5 21.Nc6 Nxc6 22.Bxc6+ Ke7 23.Rac1 Kf6 24.d4 Bd6 25.Rhe1 Rb6 26.Rc2 h5 27.Rec1 a6 28.Rc4 Ba3 29.R1c2
Complete Arena output:
http://www.fastgm.de/schach/MultiPV20E-Komodo1101.txt
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Re: Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

Post by JJJ »

Komodo Stockfish

-0,85 1.g4 ||| -0,92 1.g4
-0,47 1.f3 ||| -0,41 1.f3
-0,41 1.Na3||| -0,35 1.Na3
-0,40 1.Nh3||| -0,36 1.Nh3
-0,28 1.h4 ||| -0,19 1.h4
-0,17 1.f4 ||| 0,00 1.f4
-0,15 1.a4 ||| -0,16 1.a4
-0,12 1.b4 ||| 0,00 1.b4
0,00 1.d3 ||| 0,00 1.d3
0,00 1.b3 ||| 0,00 1.b3
0,00 1.Nc3||| -0,14 1.Nc3
0,00 1.h3 ||| 0,00 1.h3
0,00 1.a3 ||| 0,00 1.a3
0,00 1.c3 ||| 0,00 1.c3
+0,10 1.e3 ||| 0,00 1.e3
+0,10 1.c4 ||| 0,00 1.c4
+0,10 1.g3 ||| 0,00 1.g3
+0,13 1.e4 ||| +0,08 1.e4
+0,18 1.Nf3 ||| +0,17 1.Nf3
+0,21 1.d4 ||| +0,06 1.d4
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Re: Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

Post by Dann Corbit »

Thanks for this excellent exercise
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Re: Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

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I have 0 for 1.b4 also, but I think I had to go to depth 50.
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Re: Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

Post by Dirt »

I think it is interesting that both Komodo and Stockfish prefer the French in answer to e4. Maybe that should be more popular in human games.
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Re: Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

Post by Dann Corbit »

I have this analysis for that position (after 1.e4):
[d]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - acd 48; acs 212911; bm e6; c3 "c5"; cce -38; ce -16; id "es-dc-neutral.0005"; pm c5 {1218905} e5 {412609} e6 {257916} c6 {204175} d5 {78062} d6 {71821} g6 {57457} Nf6 {46929} Nc6 {20542} b6 {4882} a6 {1853} g5 {987} h6 {878} a5 {501} h5 {447} Na6 {410} f6 {336} f5 {276} Nh6 {273} b5 {241}; pv e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5+ Bd7 Bxd7+ Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nfd4 O-O Nf5 Re8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 Nd4 Rc8 Re1 Nd6 Rxe7 Qxe7 Bf4 a6 Bxd6 Qxd6 c3 g6 g3 Ne4 Kg2 Qb6 Qb3 Qxb3;
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Re: Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

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The French allows the quick diffusion of center tension by force. This allows Black to cancel some of White's early initiative which shows up as a minutely lower score for White. However, with such limited understanding of very long term consequences, the tiny score difference might have no significance.

If however, the French really does help permanently neutralize some of White's advantage, a human would have to decide if, as Black, he just wants to squash complications and go for a draw. If the human wanted to keep complications and try to win as Black, it may not be a top choice.

Computers are always just min/maxing. Humans have to consider things like current tournament standings, the opponent's rating, the opponent's familiarity with the opening, etc. Since we play imperfectly, picking only the strongest lines isn't always the best method for winning prize money and titles. I therefore don't think computers will radically change the distribution of played openings in human events.
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Re: Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

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mbabigian wrote: This allows Black to cancel some of White's early initiative which shows up as a minutely lower score for White. However, with such limited understanding of very long term consequences, the tiny score difference might have no significance.
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Re: Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

what about 3.Nc3 instead of Nd2 in the French:

[d]rnbqkbnr/ppp2ppp/4p3/3p4/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq - 0 3

please, do not tell me, Komodo at depth 46 evaluates it higher than +13cps, because in this case there is something wrong with Komodo and SF, rather than with human knowledge the French is very weak.
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Re: Komodo - Initial position, MultiPV Mode=20, Depth=46

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:what about 3.Nc3 instead of Nd2 in the French:

[d]rnbqkbnr/ppp2ppp/4p3/3p4/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq - 0 3

please, do not tell me, Komodo at depth 46 evaluates it higher than +13cps, because in this case there is something wrong with Komodo and SF, rather than with human knowledge the French is very weak.
Is it really weak, or are you being your usual dogmatic self?
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