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don't see there Houdini either.
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From SSDF lists are absent the whole Ippo family.
The lists reflect the time when was run the combat against "clones".
Because marking a chess engine to be clone is very subjective thing
the lists are subjective, too.
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Re: In case you missed it: SSDF, shiny new hardware...
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[quote="Lyudmil Tsvetkov"]
opening books distort a fair competition.
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Not at all, an opening book is an essential part of a chess program, in there the programmer decides what suits his program best.
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There are competitions for chess engines and there are other competitions for opening books.
A good opening book enhances Elo of an engine with 50 - 100 Elo.
Meanwhile Elo difference between top engines are some tens Elo.
So if you want a correct line about Elo of the participants you ought to use the same opening book for all engines.
Naturally every person who arrange a competition can determine the rules of it.
But these rules should be emphasized that SSDF in this form is a contest between engines + its book COMBOS and not a engine-engine competition.
[quote="Lyudmil Tsvetkov"]
opening books distort a fair competition.
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Not at all, an opening book is an essential part of a chess program, in there the programmer decides what suits his program best.
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There are competitions for chess engines and there are other competitions for opening books.
A good opening book enhances Elo of an engine with 50 - 100 Elo.
Meanwhile Elo difference between top engines are some tens Elo.
So if you want a correct line about Elo of the participants you ought to use the same opening book for all engines.
Naturally every person who arrange a competition can determine the rules of it.
But these rules should be emphasized that SSDF in this form is a contest between engines + its book COMBOS and not a engine-engine competition.
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Re: In case you missed it: SSDF, shiny new hardware...
everyone is interested in how strong an engine is, how many elos it has gained since last update, how suitable it is for analysis of a set of positions, what specific moves it will make.corres wrote:Rebel wrote:Not at all, an opening book is an essential part of a chess program, in there the programmer decides what suits his program best.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: opening books distort a fair competition.
There are competitions for chess engines and there are other competitions for opening books.
A good opening book enhances Elo of an engine with 50 - 100 Elo.
Meanwhile Elo difference between top engines are some tens Elo.
So if you want a correct line about Elo of the participants you ought to use the same opening book for all engines.
Naturally every person who arrange a competition can determine the rules of it.
But these rules should be emphasized that SSDF in this form is a contest between engines + its book COMBOS and not a engine-engine competition.
what is the use of an engine's custom book?
can it be helpful in:
- analysing a position
- making good moves in a random situation?
btw., engines do tend to regularly up their strength, while their books more or less remain the same.
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Re: In case you missed it: SSDF, shiny new hardware...
that is how I used to think on occasions in the past, when some Phalanx moves really appealed to me.matejst wrote:I am glad you like this program.and I am happy about the Mephisto Gideon(or was it Escalibur?)
Joking aside, sometimes one tries to find an engine with a humanlike style, a chess program whose moves he is able to understand, and that's what I get with Wasp and ProDeo, Zappa or some earlier versions of Komodo.
And I feel that this obsession with engine "strength" is not sane, and that the quality of engines deteriorated in a way.
but no more, comparing them to SF moves, they are simply no good.
so, this is just an illusory personal impression.
engines getting stronger and stronger, but quality deteriorated: I somehow am unable to grasp this.
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Opening book was an important additional part of the old engines.
Without this they played very irregularly and more weaker than a good chess player.
Nowadays opening book specialized for a certain engine is used mainly for engine-engine matches.
For analysis purpose a huge and well-selected database is suitable than a specialized engine book.
Without this they played very irregularly and more weaker than a good chess player.
Nowadays opening book specialized for a certain engine is used mainly for engine-engine matches.
For analysis purpose a huge and well-selected database is suitable than a specialized engine book.
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Re: In case you missed it: SSDF, shiny new hardware...
I agree.
The new SSDF list is a list for new Komodo...
The new SSDF list is a list for new Komodo...