MikeGL wrote:Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:KWRegan wrote:Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Why don't they disclose what their evaluation is: that will be a big step towards knowing the truth.
They can't. The evaluation is a sequence of numbers specifying myriad weights on umpteen-dozen layers of a neural network. This aspect (of the original AlphaGo) in contrast to Stockfish is addressed in my Feb. 2016 article
https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2016/02/07/magic-to-do/ That this is endemic to "deep learning" has energized a counter-push toward "Explainable AI."
What I wish to know better, incidentally, is the memory footprint of their trained network and how portable it is.
They are still tuning at the level of a 2850 single core engine, so things will just get significantly more difficult in the future, when the quality of the terms will have much higher impact.
Mentioned in the paper, the eval is non-linear, not like the current engines that
uses linear eval functions. They are not tuning the eval, the AI itself is tuning the eval
autonomously without human input.
You wanna bet that they don't change the code?
No human interference at all?
Why do they need all that big team then?
There is no concept like artificial intelligence, there is simply no such concept, someone conceived it wrong and it spread across the world.
The machine is just executing the code written by humans, and it will always be so. It does not matter at all if it is linear or non-linear, it is still executing the code.
And that code changes. Basically, a huge autotuner, with what are CLOP and other tuners different, essentially?
For example, it should have started from somewhere, they should have at least the basic piece values and some psqt values. Then, when it wins a game and an e5 pawn is featured or an advanced knight outpost, the autotuner will increase their values, so what? How advanced is that?
What is the difference with normal tuning, I just can't see it?
No machine can start without a code, and that code will guide all its operations, EVER, regardless of whether it is a multilayer algorithm or not.
It is you who are mixing up things, not me.
You also believe they improved so much in 4 hours?
Want to bet they will not have a 5000 elo engine in another week, do you?
If they don't, then why are you arguing?
I have been there mentally and I know what is necessary to construct a much stronger chess playing entity. They don't have the necessary preconditions and will never succeed. Still 1850 currently.