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Modern Times
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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by Modern Times » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:28 am

Ovyron wrote:
SzG wrote:I guess we would not include it in our lists.
Red alarms should ring when potentially, your rating list would not include the strongest chess entity on the planet due to a technicality.

Again, learning entities make sense as long as the testers merge their learn files and the users are allowed to download the learn file that produced the elo shown.
Read alarm bells would ring if we did include it. As Gabor alludes to, it would compromise the integrity of the rating list because the learning engine is not constant. It is against our rules, simple as that.

If the learning could somehow be turned off and frozen at a point in time then yes it could be included, and then included as a new engine version some months later with the learning again frozen at that later date.

SSDF do allow learning. I think they are the only ratings list that does.
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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by Ovyron » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:04 pm

Modern Times wrote: It is against our rules, simple as that.
Outdated rules, it seems.

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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by cdani » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:03 pm

Modern Times wrote: If the learning could somehow be turned off and frozen at a point in time then yes it could be included, and then included as a new engine version some months later with the learning again frozen at that later date.
+1, like every new engine version.

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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by Ozymandias » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:27 pm

SzG wrote:For a ranking list based on accumulated games, to switch on learning would make all results meaningless.
Only if you include the games with learning switched on, when computing ratings. Leaving games out isn't unheard of, BTW. I have in my DB, games from CCRL, which aren't included anymore. The same way that an engine is left out (for whatever reason), games from an improving engine could be kept separate, and only include them in case it stops improving (*). The forum threads dealing with those gauntlets, would have a lot of activity, though.

(*) If it does, treat the engine like any other, from that point onwards.

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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by Leo » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:33 pm

Once Brainfish and the Cerebellum Library (not yet released) is available for purchase then we can make our own learning library.
BrainFish-2 190310 bmi2 Elo 3576.

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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by Damir » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:17 pm

What makes you think it is going to be available commercially ?

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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by Leo » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:03 pm

Damir wrote:What makes you think it is going to be available commercially ?
Here is a quote from his web page:

The Commercial Product will be:
1. The GUI with Cerebellum Library handling.
2.) The Cerebellum Library itself, which does not mean an already calculated book, but a tool (Cerebellum) to make such a book using an engine of your choice. 3.) An adapter to connect a Cerebellum calculated book with an engine for playing.
4.) The book created with the Cerebellum Library using Stockfish as engine as an additional benefit.

". It will probably published around November 2016 and will cost around 20,- €. Brainfish itself will always stay free. "
BrainFish-2 190310 bmi2 Elo 3576.

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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by Damir » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:12 pm

Sorry to tell you, but you are 2 years behind. :) :)

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Ozymandias
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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by Ozymandias » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:53 pm

Damir wrote:Sorry to tell you, but you are 2 years behind. :) :)
Still, plenty of time ahead of Hiarcs 15, don't you think? :wink:

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Re: Incredible Stockfish Patch

Post by Thomas Zipproth » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:18 pm

Leo wrote:Once Brainfish and the Cerebellum Library (not yet released) is available for purchase then we can make our own learning library.
Thanks for your support. You are right, Cerebellum and the Sirius Gui will be published.
The delay is due to a lack of time , but currently I'm working on the project. I will publish a new release date as soon as I can predict it reliable.

Btw, I have updated the Cerebellum AlphaZero Analysis Page to make it more readable.
http://www.zipproth.de/Brainfish/Cerebe ... aZero.html

Thomas

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