OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

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Re: OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

Post by Michael Sherwin » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:15 pm

fern wrote:No way. No kind of caution or daring, care and "deep thinking", OpenTal has mauled me at pleasure.
It is not a beast; it is an extraterrestrial entity.
After this to play Houdini is like to play a child

Erasing Opental in Revenge of my computer regards...

Fern
Hi Fernando, You should have Romi train with you. Use Wiboard (or any GUI that sends a result command in human verses engine games) and play a match against Romi. Switch sides every game. You might be surprised how well Romi will help you train. Then see how you do against Opental.

RomiChess64P3n2 - Opental_x64popcnt : 11.0/21 10-9-2 (1110000100=0=11001111 ) 52% +14
:D
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Re: OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

Post by S.Taylor » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:47 pm

fern wrote:I am looking for that miraculous draw. I swear I have played well, carefully, evading many threats and tricks, BUT...sooner or later the extraterrestrial entity shoot his rays...

In flames regards
Fern
If Houdini, Komodo, SF would win you much quicker, then what's interesting about OpenTal?

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Re: OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

Post by carldaman » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:55 pm

S.Taylor wrote:
fern wrote:I am looking for that miraculous draw. I swear I have played well, carefully, evading many threats and tricks, BUT...sooner or later the extraterrestrial entity shoot his rays...

In flames regards
Fern
If Houdini, Komodo, SF would win you much quicker, then what's interesting about OpenTal?
What's interesting is in how it approaches the game, not necessarily the overall strength. When I play a top program, I feel like I'm beating myself with stupid moves, and the big engine is just there to collect the win.

But, when playing an opponent like OpenTal, I feel like it's coming out to get me, that it's actually earning the win. Get the difference?

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Re: OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

Post by fern » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:59 pm

I will.
Anything to kill opental regards
F

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Re: OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

Post by S.Taylor » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:28 am

carldaman wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:
fern wrote:I am looking for that miraculous draw. I swear I have played well, carefully, evading many threats and tricks, BUT...sooner or later the extraterrestrial entity shoot his rays...

In flames regards
Fern
If Houdini, Komodo, SF would win you much quicker, then what's interesting about OpenTal?
What's interesting is in how it approaches the game, not necessarily the overall strength. When I play a top program, I feel like I'm beating myself with stupid moves, and the big engine is just there to collect the win.

But, when playing an opponent like OpenTal, I feel like it's coming out to get me, that it's actually earning the win. Get the difference?
Yes. But it is only an illusion really.

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Re: OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

Post by Ovyron » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:37 am

S.Taylor wrote:Yes. But it is only an illusion really.
It's not, it uses the same concept of Contempt, the difference between playing solidly, waiting for the opponent to make a mistake, and attacking the opponent, refusing a draw even if you're a piece down, is real.

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Re: OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

Post by BrendanJNorman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:53 am

S.Taylor wrote:
fern wrote:I am looking for that miraculous draw. I swear I have played well, carefully, evading many threats and tricks, BUT...sooner or later the extraterrestrial entity shoot his rays...

In flames regards
Fern
If Houdini, Komodo, SF would win you much quicker, then what's interesting about OpenTal?
If Craig David is objectively a better singer (as in wider vocal range, better technique) than Willy Nelson, why listen to Willy?

If Leonardo is objectively a better painter than Piccaso, why bother looking at Picasso's monstrosities?

If Mariah Carey is objectively more beautiful than your wife, why bother...?

I swear, some people on TC aren't chess players, but simply computer nerds.

I suppose you'd scrap your entire engine collection if you got access to Alpha Zero too, huh?
:roll:

Frustrated regards,

Brendan

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Re: OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

Post by BrendanJNorman » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:55 am

fern wrote:I will.
Anything to kill opental regards
F
Are any of you guys gonna share some games?

I'm dying to see :lol:

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The Sherwinator vs The Terminator

Post by Michael Sherwin » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:30 am

fern wrote:I will.
Anything to kill opental regards
F
First try
No help
Mono e mono
Easy peasy oh so easy
Opental was like a little pussy cat :lol:
I saved Sarah Connor and now our child will save the world :D
Ok maybe I'm exaggerating a bit :oops:

4:50:29 left on my clock vs 1:30:01 for Opental

[pgn][Event "Skynet International"]
[Site "MASTER"]
[Date "2017.12.28"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Mike Sherwin"]
[Black "Opental_x64popcnt"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "B05"]
[Opening "Alekhine"]
[Time "15:56:18"]
[Variation "Modern, Main Line"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:40/7200:40/7200"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "180"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. dxe5 Bg4 6. Be2 Nc6 7. O-O e6
8. Nbd2 Be7 9. b3 O-O 10. Bb2 Nf4 11. Nc4 Bh5 12. Re1 Bc5 13. Qxd8 Nxe2+
14. Kf1 Rfxd8 15. Kxe2 Ne7 16. Rad1 Nd5 17. a3 a5 18. Nd2 Bg6 19. Kf1 a4
20. b4 Nxb4 21. axb4 Bxb4 22. c3 a3 23. Ba1 Be7 24. Kg1 Rd3 25. Nf1 h5 26.
Rxd3 Bxd3 27. Rd1 Rd8 28. Ne1 Be4 29. Rxd8+ Bxd8 30. Nd2 Bh7 31. Nef3 h4
32. Kf1 Bd3+ 33. Ke1 b5 34. Kd1 h3 35. g3 Be7 36. Ne1 Bf5 37. Nb3 c5 38.
Nc2 Kh7 39. Ne3 Be4 40. Ke2 Kg8 41. f3 Bg6 42. Kd2 Kf8 43. Ng4 Bh5 44. Ke2
Bxg4 45. fxg4 Ke8 46. c4 b4 47. g5 g6 48. Kf3 Kd7 49. Kg4 Kc6 50. Kxh3 Bxg5
51. Kg4 Be7 52. h4 Kd7 53. Kf3 Kc7 54. Ke3 Kb6 55. Kd3 Kc6 56. Kc2 Kd7 57.
Nd2 Kc6 58. Kb3 Bf8 59. Ne4 Kd7 60. g4 Ke8 61. Nf6+ Kd8 62. h5 Bg7 63. Ne4
Bf8 64. h6 Bxh6 65. Nxc5 Be3 66. Kxb4 a2 67. Ne4 Kd7 68. Kb3 Kc6 69. Kxa2
Kd7 70. g5 Kc7 71. Bc3 Kc6 72. Kb3 Kd7 73. Kb4 Kc6 74. Ka5 Bf4 75. Bd4 Bc1
76. Ba7 Bf4 77. Bb8 Be3 78. Bd6 Bb6+ 79. Ka6 Be3 80. Be7 Bf4 81. Bf6 Bc1
82. Nd6 Kc5 83. Kb7 Bf4 84. Kc7 Kd4 85. Kb6 Be3 {Black resigns} 86. Kb5 Kd3
{Black resigns} 87. Nxf7 Ba7 {Black resigns} 88. Be7 Ke2 {Black resigns}
89. Bc5 Bb8 {Black resigns} 90. Bb6 Kd3 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
I hate if statements. Pawns demand if statements. Therefore I hate pawns.

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Re: OpenTal is Like Cstal squared

Post by fern » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:45 pm

where I get last version of Romi? Pages I have seen are so old as 2013

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