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Hurnavich
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Komodo updates Sub

Post by Hurnavich » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:17 pm

Hi,

I understand and sympathise with the past situation but business is business.

And one engine for my sub price and 158 days left after having at least 4 releases in the past does not ring home to me or i'm i the only one not pleased about the timer ticking away on the subscription.

I wonder if there will be an extension on time limit.
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Werewolf
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Re: Komodo updates Sub

Post by Werewolf » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:49 pm

I suspect they are trying to pass Houdini 6, but finding it difficult

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Re: Komodo updates Sub

Post by JJJ » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:16 pm

I have the feeling that the next Komodo update is coming soon !
But of course it's just a feeling.

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Re: Komodo updates Sub

Post by leavenfish » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:08 pm

JJJ wrote:I have the feeling that the next Komodo update is coming soon !
But of course it's just a feeling.
I have a feeling aliens are among us...

Anyway, no Christmas gift....how about a Valentines Day gift for subscribers!??

I am rethinking my Komodo subscription too. If they just want to chase ELO...I and everybody else under the sun already has Stockfish.

It helps fund Larry and Mark...but I'm not getting enough in the exchange.

My main 'beef' is the same as the previous poster....but also I see people getting the 'experimental' models...while we get bupkis.

The more I think about it...the more sad I get... :(

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Re: Komodo updates Sub

Post by JJJ » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:00 pm

leavenfish wrote:
JJJ wrote:I have the feeling that the next Komodo update is coming soon !
But of course it's just a feeling.
I have a feeling aliens are among us...

The more I think about it...the more sad I get... :(
So am I and we re both right :)

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Re: Komodo updates Sub

Post by Paloma » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:35 pm

+1 :!:
you speaks out, what I think

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Re: Komodo updates Sub

Post by MikeB » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:35 pm

Hurnavich wrote:Hi,

I understand and sympathise with the past situation but business is business.

And one engine for my sub price and 158 days left after having at least 4 releases in the past does not ring home to me or i'm i the only one not pleased about the timer ticking away on the subscription.

I wonder if there will be an extension on time limit.
it doesn't bother me , but I think there will be a release soon with TCEC 11 coming up, meanwhile be on the lookout for a new release of McBrain ( a Stockfish derived engine )and it won''t cost you a dime...

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126 rounds and 126 games completed...
Time control: 30 seconds + 1.00 seconds
Threads: 3
Hash: 128 
Target completion: 02/10/18 : 13:28:34
Date: 02/10/18 : 13:12:29
126 game(s) loaded
Rank Name                     Rating   Δ     +    -     #     Σ    Σ%     W    L    D   W%    =%   OppR 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   1 McBrain 9 64 POPCNT       3103   0.0   34   34   126   64.0  50.8   22   20   84  17.5  66.7  3097 
   2 Stockfish 9.0 64 POPCNT   3097   5.7   34   34   126   62.0  49.2   20   22   84  15.9  66.7  3103 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Time to complete: 01:13:56
126 game(s) loaded
caveat - most all runs with less than 3 threads and shorter than a 30 second base with 1 second increment time control will test WORSE than SF-9 on a consistent basis, and the run above might have been a lucky run as well as the error bars here are quite large , but the main focus with McBrain is the access to Zipproth's opening book and some tweaking (by me and others) to use McBrain as an alternative engine in chess analysis.., naturally you are free to use McBrain in anyway you wish...

this is the type of position where you might find McBrain useful:
[d] 7k/pp2Np1p/2p2P1N/5pP1/7K/P4n2/1q3Q2/5n2 w - - 0 1

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dep	score	nodes	time	(not shown:  tbhits	knps	seldep)
 38	+6.37 	4.00G	2:37.55	Kh5 Qa2 Qg2 b6 Qf2 b5 Qg2 a5 Qf2 b4 a4 Qc4 Qxf3 Ng3+ Qxg3 Qe2+ Kh4 Qe4+ Kh3 Qh1+ Qh2 Qf3+ Kh4 Qe4+ Kh5 Qf3+ Ng4 Qxg4+ Kh6 f4 Qh1 Qg3 Nf5 Qd3 Qe1 Qh3+ Nh4 Qc8 Qe7 Qg8 Kh5 f3 Nxf3 Qg6+ Kh4 b3 Qd8+ Qg8 Qb6 h6 Qxb3 Qg6 Kg4 Qg8 Qb7 Q 
 38	+6.03!	3.65G	2:23.92	Kh5! 
 38	+5.10?	3.63G	2:23.16	Kh5 Qa2? 
 38	+6.07!	3.52G	2:18.95	Kh5! 
 38	+5.45?	3.49G	2:17.59	Kh5 Qa2? 
 37	+5.81 	3.27G	2:09.09	Kh5 Qa2 Qg2 a6 Qf2 b6 Qg2 b5 Qf2 a5 Qg2 b4 a4 Qc4 Qxf3 Ng3+ Qxg3 Qe2+ Kh4 Qe4+ Kh3 Qh1+ Qh2 Qf3+ Kh4 Qe4+ Kh5 Qf3+ Ng4 Qxg4+ Kh6 f4 Qh1 b3 Nxc6 b2 Ne5 Qc8 g6 b1=Q Qxb1 Qh3+ Kg5 Qg3+ Ng4 h6+ Kf5 fxg6+ Ke4 f3 Nf2 g5 Kf5 Qc7 Qe4 Qh 
 37	+5.65!	3.01G	1:59.11	Kh5! 
 37	+5.20!	2.68G	1:46.01	Kh5! 
 37	+4.76!	2.40G	1:35.11	Kh5! 
 37	+4.31!	2.37G	1:33.84	Kh5! 
 37	+4.05?	2.36G	1:33.32	Kh5 Qa2? 
 36	+4.13 	2.27G	1:29.68	Kh5 Qa2 Qg2 b6 Qf2 a6 Qg2 b5 Qf2 a5 Qg2 a4 Qf2 b4 axb4 a3 b5 Qb3 bxc6 Ne5 Qxf1 Qc2 Nhxf5 Ng6 Ne3 Qh2+ Kg4 Qh4+ Kf3 Qxg5 Nxg6+ Qxg6 Qc4 Qxf6+ Ke2 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb1+ Nc2 Qf1+ Kc3 Qh3+ Kb4 Qc8 Qxf7 a2 c7 Qb7+ Ka3 Qa8+ Kb2 a1=Q+ Nxa1 h6 
 36	+4.80!	2.17G	1:25.32	Kh5! 
 36	+4.40!	1.85G	1:13.14	Kh5! 
 36	+4.00!	1.70G	1:06.91	Kh5! 
 36	+3.57?	1.67G	1:06.04	Kh5 Qa2? 
 36	+4.04!	1.61G	1:03.64	Kh5! 
 35	+3.65 	1.44G	0:56.72	Kh5 Qa2 Qg2 b6 Qf2 b5 Qg2 a5 Qf2 b4 a4 Qc4 Qxf3 Ng3+ Qxg3 Qe2+ Kh4 Qe4+ Kh3 Qh1+ Qh2 Qf3+ Kh4 Qe4+ Kh5 Qf3+ Ng4 Qxg4+ Kh6 f4 Qh1 b3 Nxc6 Qg3 Ne5 f3 Nxf3 Qb8 Ne5 b2 Qb1 Qf8+ Kh5 Qb8 Nxf7+ Kg8 Nh6+ Kh8 Ng4 Qb3 Nf2 Qb8 Kg4 Kg8 Nd3  
 35	+3.89!	1.40G	0:55.37	Kh5! 
 35	+3.63!	1.25G	0:49.51	Kh5! 
 35	+3.37!	1.23G	0:48.61	Kh5! 
 35	+3.10!	1.22G	0:48.39	Kh5! 
 35	+2.84!	1.22G	0:48.11	Kh5! 
 35	+2.58!	1.21G	0:47.79	Kh5! 
 34	+3.67!	1.14G	0:45.00	Kh5! 
 34	+3.60!	1.10G	0:43.41	Kh5! 
 34	+3.52!	1.07G	0:42.59	Kh5! 
 34	+3.45!	1.04G	0:41.35	Kh5! 
 34	+3.37!	1.00G	0:39.89	Kh5! 
 34	+3.30!	972.6M	0:38.76	Kh5! 
 34	+3.22!	922.9M	0:36.80	Kh5! 
 34	+3.15!	885.2M	0:35.31	Kh5! 
 34	+3.07!	861.0M	0:34.39	Kh5! 
 34	+3.00!	828.1M	0:33.11	Kh5! 
 34	+2.92!	812.9M	0:32.55	Kh5! 
 34	+2.85!	789.7M	0:31.67	Kh5! 
 34	+2.77!	766.7M	0:30.79	Kh5! 
 34	+2.70!	739.9M	0:29.76	Kh5! 
 34	+2.62!	721.5M	0:29.02	Kh5! 
 34	+2.55!	694.3M	0:27.97	Kh5! 
 34	+2.47!	665.5M	0:26.86	Kh5! 
 34	+2.40!	639.6M	0:25.80	Kh5! 
 34	+2.32!	611.1M	0:24.69	Kh5! 
 34	+2.25!	592.6M	0:23.98	Kh5! 
 34	+2.17!	571.7M	0:23.16	Kh5! 
 34	+2.10!	526.1M	0:21.31	Kh5! 
 34	+2.02!	507.3M	0:20.58	Kh5! 
 34	+1.95!	475.3M	0:19.26	Kh5! 
 34	+1.87!	406.3M	0:16.31	Kh5! 
 34	+1.80!	377.3M	0:15.15	Kh5! 
 34	+1.72!	363.4M	0:14.62	Kh5! 
 34	+1.65!	349.0M	0:14.07	Kh5! 
 34	+1.57!	336.0M	0:13.54	Kh5! 
 34	+1.50!	320.7M	0:12.92	Kh5! 
 34	+1.42!	305.1M	0:12.31	Kh5! 
 34	+1.35!	294.1M	0:11.88	Kh5! 
 34	+1.27!	286.3M	0:11.58	Kh5! 
 34	+1.20!	274.1M	0:11.10	Kh5! 
 34	+1.12!	262.8M	0:10.67	Kh5! 
 34	+1.05!	253.8M	0:10.32	Kh5! 
 34	+0.97!	240.4M	0:09.79	Kh5! 
 34	+0.90!	218.5M	0:08.91	Kh5! 
 34	+0.82!	200.9M	0:08.20	Kh5! 
 34	+0.75!	186.3M	0:07.54	Kh5! 
 34	+0.67!	179.7M	0:07.27	Kh5! 
 34	+0.60!	166.7M	0:06.75	Kh5! 
 34	+0.52!	159.1M	0:06.44	Kh5! 
 34	+0.45!	146.8M	0:05.95	Kh5! 
 34	+0.37!	125.8M	0:05.08	Kh5! 
 34	+0.30!	113.6M	0:04.57	Kh5! 
 34	+0.22!	94.0M  	0:03.76	Kh5! 
 34	+0.15!	88.1M  	0:03.52	Kh5! 
 34	+0.07!	81.9M  	0:03.27	Kh5! 
 33	  0.00 	28.0M  	0:01.11	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 32	  0.00 	9.95M  	0:00.40	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 31	  0.00 	5.89M  	0:00.24	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 30	  0.00 	4.97M  	0:00.20	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 29	  0.00 	3.44M  	0:00.14	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 28	  0.00 	1.98M  	0:00.08	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 27	  0.00 	1.45M  	0:00.06	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 26	  0.00 	1.14M  	0:00.05	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 25	  0.00 	780763	0:00.03	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 24	  0.00 	774358	0:00.03	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 23	  0.00 	469771	0:00.02	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 22	  0.00 	463741	0:00.02	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 21	  0.00 	195258	0:00.01	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 20	  0.00 	189824	0:00.01	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 19	  0.00 	128894	0:00.01	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 18	  0.00 	110834	0:00.01	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 17	  0.00 	83457  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 16	  0.00 	60859  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 15	  0.00 	53834  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 14	  0.00 	40631  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 13	  0.00 	31628  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 12	  0.00 	27600  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 11	  0.00 	23650  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
 10	  0.00 	19968  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
  9	  0.00 	15674  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
  8	  0.00 	12706  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
  7	  0.00 	10852  	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
  6	  0.00 	9371    	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
  5	+2.29 	7938    	0:00.00	Kh5 Qa2 a4 N3d2 Nexf5 
  4	  0.00 	4162    	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 Qe2+ Kh4 Qf2+ 
  3	  0.00 	3296    	0:00.00	Qxf3 Qh2+ Qh3 Qf2+ Kh5 
  2	+8.16 	1952    	0:00.00	Kh5 Ne5 Qxb2 
  1	+0.86 	313      	0:00.00	Qxf3 
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Re: Komodo updates Sub

Post by carldaman » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:12 pm

leavenfish wrote:
JJJ wrote:I have the feeling that the next Komodo update is coming soon !
But of course it's just a feeling.
I have a feeling aliens are among us...

Anyway, no Christmas gift....how about a Valentines Day gift for subscribers!??

I am rethinking my Komodo subscription too. If they just want to chase ELO...I and everybody else under the sun already has Stockfish.

It helps fund Larry and Mark...but I'm not getting enough in the exchange.

My main 'beef' is the same as the previous poster....but also I see people getting the 'experimental' models...while we get bupkis.

The more I think about it...the more sad I get... :(
This slowdown in Elo gains should actually be a blessing in disguise - an opportunity to rethink the whole model and refocus on adding much-needed analysis features such as learning, that no one else is offering (among top engines).

Elo is not as important now that we have dozens of engines better than the human world champ, and Sfish is free anyway.

Regards,
CL

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Re: Komodo updates Sub

Post by leavenfish » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:45 pm

carldaman wrote:
leavenfish wrote:
JJJ wrote:I have the feeling that the next Komodo update is coming soon !
But of course it's just a feeling.
I have a feeling aliens are among us...

Anyway, no Christmas gift....how about a Valentines Day gift for subscribers!??

I am rethinking my Komodo subscription too. If they just want to chase ELO...I and everybody else under the sun already has Stockfish.

It helps fund Larry and Mark...but I'm not getting enough in the exchange.

My main 'beef' is the same as the previous poster....but also I see people getting the 'experimental' models...while we get bupkis.

The more I think about it...the more sad I get... :(
This slowdown in Elo gains should actually be a blessing in disguise - an opportunity to rethink the whole model and refocus on adding much-needed analysis features such as learning, that no one else is offering (among top engines).

Elo is not as important now that we have dozens of engines better than the human world champ, and Sfish is free anyway.

Regards,
CL
I would love agree with you. Except with S9 having Contempt it is almost like Team SF can now say, 'okay, now we are doing it to - pulled the last trick card...and look at the elo gap - you will never be able to catch us (as concerns elo).'

And while I think Team Komodo (for example) may say elo isn't so important...they admit to only making releases when they "gain enough elo".

So...those of us who are subscribers feeling all too often like we are only supporting 'tweakers' who have become programmers 'in name only'. I would LOVE for the pay-for engine guys to do more of what you say...but I don't think they have it in them. :cry:

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Re: Komodo updates Sub

Post by Ovyron » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:27 pm

MikeB wrote:use McBrain as an alternative engine in chess analysis..,
Or, main engine?

At least it makes for one of the best "defending" engine I've ever seen. When Houdini, Komodo and Stockfish are all very excited for some side of the board, and McBrain 4 MPV4 claims all moves are 0.00, it has proven really difficult to make it change its opinion as the others' optimistic lines fall one after the other towards a 0.00 score...

I have dubbed McBrain in those cases "The Wall".

I wonder if other McBrain users are also needing to revise their opening choices, since it turns out it's a promising variations killer.
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