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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by Mike S. » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:40 am

What caused this thread is not at all typical. The TCEC chat at Twitch is friendly and I am sure your participation would be very welcome.
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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by Guenther » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:41 am

Nelson Hernandez wrote: Feb 23 12:13:52PM I used the ARB system to beat A0 10-0
Feb 23 12:17:05PM ARB rulez - sad he isn't here to explain his fantastic system
I don't care about all of this fuzz, but did it ever occur to you
that above is meant satirically?
(and logically it is, because everyone knows AO cannot be played
at all and even then 10:0 for AS is of course a joke)

Trying to censor different kinds of humour will never end well...

Isn't it a fact that except the ARB personalities each and every person
at the computerchess scene knows that ARB is a psychic troll?
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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by syzygy » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:43 am

Mike S. wrote:What caused this thread is not at all typical. The TCEC chat at Twitch is friendly and I am sure your participation would be very welcome.
I'm not so sure about that:
our only fault is that we didn't ban you instantly.
If you think you can come back and say "but I was just joking" all we can say in response is that your sense of humor needs some tweaking and no, we will not be lifting our ban.

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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by yorkman » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:33 am

bnst wrote:Thanks for the information.
Obviously free speech is not important on Twitch.
It seems all kind of harassment and dictatorial behaviour is OK for the administrators.

I wrote a complaint to Twitch but I don't think that will help.
I have decided never to use Twitch again and will encourage everybody else to do the same.

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Andreas
It's not Twitch's fault you got banned. It's TCEC's.

You can always visit http://chess.my2dollars.ca to watch and discuss games. They welcome everybody and aren't so sensitive.

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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by Ovyron » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:46 pm

syzygy wrote:TCEC is a place where one has to be grateful to be tolerated. The people running TCEC have all the right to make it such a place. But I am happy to be no part of it.
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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by Leo » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:46 pm

I think you can still watch the games even if your banned from chat.
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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by arunsoorya1309 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:05 pm

I have known TCEC to have unbanned people after sometime, i think if a proper explanation is given, they would unban it. It is a tournament for the fans and more the fans, the merrier. They are pretty strict sometimes about what can be discussed, what cannot be, but overall they are reasonable based on past experience with ARB nuisance.

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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by Dann Corbit » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:06 am

They ban for Arb imitation because they lack the authority for the death penalty.
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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by glennsamuel32 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:23 am

syzygy wrote:TCEC is a place where one has to be grateful to be tolerated. The people running TCEC have all the right to make it such a place. But I am happy to be no part of it.
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Re: Banned from TCEC chat

Post by bnst » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:10 am

Nelson Hernandez wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:21 am
Mr. Stabel,

We have done a thorough investigation into your participation in TCEC and frankly I am surprised that you replied to my challenge.

You see, we have your complete contribution to TCEC chat from inception. Here it is, in chronological order:

Feb 23 12:13:52PM I used the ARB system to beat A0 10-0
Feb 23 12:17:05PM ARB rulez - sad he isn't here to explain his fantastic system
Feb 23 12:19:00PM King's bishop to queen's rook four
Feb 23 12:19:39PM Heretic !
Feb 23 12:25:12PM !miniboom

Feb 26 3:24:11PM PV of fire has 92.b3 :)
Feb 26 3:25:04PM Hurraaaaaayyyyyyyyy
Feb 26 3:26:54PM At least we are down to almost 10 secs per move now

Banned Feb 27 2:16:44PM by kanchess

I would like to point out a few things.

To begin with, you NEVER said anything about YLCET on TCEC. Not a word. You maybe went on YLCET and said some things, I don't know about that. It doesn't matter; we can't control what people say on other websites and don't worry much about it--except on Talkchess. But the point is that you think we banned you for something we have no knowledge of. Interesting, eh?

Secondly, it is not as if you were a venerable chatter. The above chat is the full extent of your chat history since inception, and you will notice that you started your nick's TCEC career by extolling the one person who has caused TCEC more grief and trouble than any other human on the planet. Mentioning that individual in any positive way is grounds for summary dismissal in our book, and let me remind you were a guest of TCEC. We reserve the right to reject anyone who behaves badly.

I would like to add some further context. We have been battling this same ARB person for four or five years. Over those years he has used countless nicks through proxy servers to spam, make groundless accusations, promote his nonsensical videos and heap extremely vulgar abuse on me and other people.

Thus your first two opening chat statements seem from our perspective like a kind of reconnaissance intended to see if we would take action. We did because no rookie comes on TCEC and from his first message starts praising ARB. Only someone who knows the ARB saga and has been involved with TCEC for some years talks about ARB. Praising ARB is thus a deliberate and hostile act, in our eyes.

We weren't awake on February 23. It took us four days to notice those posts and we banned you immediately, without any warning. Looking at the facts you may think we overreacted or should have warned you. I would argue, based on our terrible past experiences with this person, that our only fault is that we didn't ban you instantly. Anyone who says hello to TCEC by praising ARB is ARB, for all practical intents.

If you think you can come back and say "but I was just joking" all we can say in response is that your sense of humor needs some tweaking and no, we will not be lifting our ban.

I hope this message has clarified the matter.
I was not going to post again on this subject but since my silence might be interpreted as if I accept the above statement I sadly feel forced to respond.

Firstly. I DID write about YLCET and that was perhaps my last post before being banned. To state that I did not do this is either a deliberate lie or a result of bad research,

Secondly it is obvious that a lot of effort has been made to find anything to defened my banning including taking som old post out of context and interpreting them in the most negative way. I can not remember having written anything about the ARB system, but I might if the chat was making jokes about ARB and since I am fond of jokes I sometimes join in. If the whole log was shown it would be clear that I was just joining the joking. Also note that this was not the time of my banning which was after writing about YLCET. To me it seems clear that my banning had nothing to do with posts made many days before.

The whole ARB thing is just used as an excuse to draw the discussion away from the arbitrary banning and abuse going on in the TCEC chat.

The whole tone of the above statement shows a very defensive attitude. A lot of accusations which has nothing to do with banning me and the way it was done. To me it is obvious that this is just a counter attack to try to hide what really is happening.

Note! I was never warned. Never told about any rules and without even and explanation banned for life !
Note also that several other people have been banned in arbitrary ways and that many have reported that the TCEC chat administrators are being hostile to non-insiders.

Andreas

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