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jkiliani
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Re: LCZero update

Post by jkiliani » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:38 am

sovaz1997 wrote:LCZero in theory can increase to 3500 (rel. CCRL ratings)?
In theory? Yes definitely. In practise, it depends a lot on how strong it is going to get while its neural net is still of reasonable size. With a very large net, it could theoretically become extremely strong, but in practise the rate of self-play games and consequently, the rate of strength gain, would be dropping precipitously.

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Re: LCZero update

Post by Werewolf » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:42 pm

Here are the first two games of the rematch between LCZ ID38 (generation 20?) and the Master dedicated unit, which is a battery powered device from the 1990s and around 2100 elo.

http://www.spacious-mind.com/html/master_chess.html

[Event "1st Match Game (3rd match)"]
[Date "2018.03.26"]
[White "Master"]
[Black "LCZ"]
[Result "1-0"]

{New Match! LCZ ID 38 (Generation 20?) LCZ on Slow Mode (2 sec / move)
Master on G20} [pgn] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 exd4 4. e5 Ne4 5. Qxd4 d5 6. exd6 Nxd6
7. Nc3 Nc6 8. Qf4 Be7 9. Bb5 Nxb5 10. Nxb5 O-O 11. O-O a6 12. Nc3 Bd6 13. Qa4 Bf5 14. Bg5 Qd7 15. Rfc1 b5 16. Qh4 f6 17. Be3 Qf7 18. a4 b4 19. Ne4 Be7 20. Qf4 Bg6 21. Nh4 Ne5 22. Nxg6 hxg6 23. Bd4 Nc6 24. Bc5 Rfe8 25. Be3 Rad8 26. Qxc7 Ne5 27. Bf4 Rd7 28. Qb6 f5 29. Bxe5 fxe4 30. Rd1 Rdd8 31. Qxa6 Bc5 32. Bg3 Bd4 33. c3 bxc3 34. bxc3 Bxc3 35. Rxd8 Rxd8 36. Rc1 e3 37. Qb6 Rd3 38. Qb8+ Kh7 39. Qb1 Qd5 40. fxe3 Bd2 41. e4 Qd4+ 42. Bf2 Be3 43. Bxe3 Qxe3+ 44. Kh1 Rd2 45. Re1 Qf2 46. Rg1 Qe2 47. Qe1 Qd3 48. Qh4+ Kg8 49. Qg4 Re2 50. Qxg6 Rb2 51. h3 Re2 52. Rc1 Rc2 53. Qe8+ Kh7 54. Rxc2 Qxc2 55. Kh2 Kh6 56. h4 Qc7+ 57. g3 Qc2+ 58. Kh3 Kh7 59. a5 Qd3 60. Qh5+ Kg8 61. Qd5+ Qxd5 62. exd5 Kf7 63. a6 Kf6 64. a7 Ke5 65. a8=Q Kd6 66. Qf8+ Kd7 67. Kg4 g6 68. Kg5 Kc7 69. Qe7+ Kb8 70. d6 Ka8 71. d7 Kb7 72. d8=Q+ Kc6 73. Qdd7+ Kb6 74. Qb4+ Ka6 75. Qdb7# 1-0 [/pgn]

Werewolf
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Re: LCZero update

Post by Werewolf » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:44 pm

The second game is one of the most remarkable games I've seen, featuring a double piece sac in the opening. Very original!

However, the Master's tactical strength is still too much for Leela Chess Zero at the moment:

[Event "2nd Match Game (3rd match)"]
[Date "2018.03.26"]
[White "LCZ"]
[Black "Master"]
[Result "0-1"]

{LCZ ID 38 (Generation 20?) LCZ on Slow Mode (2 sec / move) Master on G20} [pgn] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Nb8 6. Nbd2 Nxd2 7. Bxd2 d6 8. c4
Be7 9. Qc2 O-O $17 10. h4 Nd7 11. g4 Re8 12. g5 Rb8 13. h5 e4 14. O-O-O exf3
15. g6 fxg6 16. hxg6 h6 17. Bxh6 gxh6 18. Rd4 Bg5+ {Now it's clear white's
remarkable attack is all just nonsense. But until I saw this move I wondered
if this might be a masterpiece.} 19. Kb1 Qf6 20. Rd1 Nc5 21. b3 Bf5 22. Bd3
Nxd3 23. Rxd3 Re2 24. c5 Bxd3 25. Qxd3 Qb2# 0-1 [/pgn]

Werewolf
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Re: LCZero update

Post by Werewolf » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:47 pm

[Event "3rd Match Game (3rd match)"]
[Date "2018.03.26"]
[White "Master"]
[Black "LCZ"]
[Result "1-0"]


{LCZ ID 38 (Generation 20?) LCZ on Slow Mode (2 sec / move) Master on G20} [pgn] 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. exd5 cxd5 6. Bb5+ Nbd7 7. Nxe5 d4 8. Qe2 Be7 9. Qc4 O-O 10. Nxd7 Nxd7 11. Qxd4 a6 12. Bxd7 Bxd7 13. O-O Rc8 14. Re1 b5 15. a4 bxa4 16. Qd3 Bf6 17. Qxa6 h6 18. Qd3 Bc6 19. Qxd8 Rfxd8 20. h3 Bd7 21. g4 Bc6 22. f4 Re8 23. Rxe8+ Rxe8 24. Kh2 Bh4 25. b3 axb3 26. cxb3 Bf3 27. b4 g5 28. fxg5 hxg5 29. b5 Re7 30. d3 Re5 31. d4 Re6 32. d5 Re8 33. d6 1-0 [/pgn]

Werewolf
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Re: LCZero update

Post by Werewolf » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:50 pm

[Event "4th Match Game (3rd match)"]
[Date "2018.03.26"]
[White "LCZ"]
[Black "Master"]
[Result "0-1"]


{LCZ ID 38 (Generation 20?) LCZ on Slow Mode (2 sec / move) Master on G20} [pgn] 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 e6 6. c4 Nb6 7. exd6 cxd6 8. Nc3 Be7 9. h3 Bxf3 10. Bxf3 Nc6 11. d5 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. O-O O-O 14. a4 Re8 15. Bf4 Nxf3+ 16. Qxf3 Bf6 17. Qg3 Bxc3 18. bxc3 Nxd5 19. Bxd6 Nxc3 20. Qxc3 Qxd6 21. Rfd1 Qf4 22. Qc1 Qf6 23. Qc7 Re2 24. Rf1 Re7 25. Qc5 b6 26. Qd5 Rae8 27. Rac1 Qf4 28. Rc4 Qb8 29. Rd4 Re1 30. Rd1 R1e2 31. Qd7 Qa8 32. Rd6 R2e7 33. Qb5 Re5 34. Qd7 Qb8 35. Rfd1 Re1+ 36. Rxe1 Rxe1+ 37. Kh2 Rd1 38. g3 Rxd6 39. Qe7 Rd4 40. a5 bxa5 0-1 [/pgn]



Master wins 4-0 again

http://www.spacious-mind.com/html/master_chess.html

But I think this match was clearly closer in terms of the games (only one miniature this time!) and next match I expect the new version of Leela Chess Zero to get its first draw against the Master.

gladius
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Re: LCZero update

Post by gladius » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:38 pm

Werewolf wrote:The second game is one of the most remarkable games I've seen, featuring a double piece sac in the opening. Very original!

However, the Master's tactical strength is still too much for Leela Chess Zero at the moment:

[Event "2nd Match Game (3rd match)"]
[Date "2018.03.26"]
[White "LCZ"]
[Black "Master"]
[Result "0-1"]

{LCZ ID 38 (Generation 20?) LCZ on Slow Mode (2 sec / move) Master on G20} [pgn] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Nb8 6. Nbd2 Nxd2 7. Bxd2 d6 8. c4
Be7 9. Qc2 O-O $17 10. h4 Nd7 11. g4 Re8 12. g5 Rb8 13. h5 e4 14. O-O-O exf3
15. g6 fxg6 16. hxg6 h6 17. Bxh6 gxh6 18. Rd4 Bg5+ {Now it's clear white's
remarkable attack is all just nonsense. But until I saw this move I wondered
if this might be a masterpiece.} 19. Kb1 Qf6 20. Rd1 Nc5 21. b3 Bf5 22. Bd3
Nxd3 23. Rxd3 Re2 24. c5 Bxd3 25. Qxd3 Qb2# 0-1 [/pgn]
That's the type of chess I'm excited to start seeing :). That means LCZ is starting to learn king attacks! Let's get some coffeehouse chess in the training sets, and it's going to be pretty fun to watch.

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Re: LCZero update

Post by hgm » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm

[Moderation]

This thread was getting inconveniently long, and it did not seem close to a conclusion, so I tried to split off the latest postings to continue those as a part (2), and lock this one.


Unfortunately, this has not worked as intended, probably because there was a hidden threaded structure, and only one branch got amputated (which did not contain the latest postings). Nevertheless, it seems better to continue the discussion there. ( http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=755544 )

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