The Secret of Chess 2

Discussion of anything and everything relating to chess playing software and machines.

Moderators: bob, hgm, Harvey Williamson

Forum rules
This textbox is used to restore diagrams posted with the [d] tag before the upgrade.
tpoppins
Posts: 919
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:11 pm
Location: upstate

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by tpoppins » Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:07 pm

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: I have to thank you, Mr. Poppins, and you know about what: because of your precious help with pgn utilities I was able to clean my file.
Thanks.
You're welcome, Lyudmil.
Despite your outrageous claims and the disastrous chess.com threads that got out way out of hand because of your attempts to fight fire with fire I can't help feeling that in real life you are a great guy to shoot some bull (chess-related or not) over a few beers. That's a lot more than I can say about some posters here.

MikeGL
Posts: 901
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:49 pm

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by MikeGL » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:34 pm

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: 803 games in total.
Out of 803 hand picked games, not even a single game for your talkchess family? At least we can discuss some games deeper. Because there's no analysis yet for any of those games, as you claimed.
I told my wife that a husband is like a fine wine; he gets better with age. The next day, she locked me in the cellar.

Lyudmil Tsvetkov
Posts: 6052
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:41 am

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:14 am

tpoppins wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: I have to thank you, Mr. Poppins, and you know about what: because of your precious help with pgn utilities I was able to clean my file.
Thanks.
You're welcome, Lyudmil.
Despite your outrageous claims and the disastrous chess.com threads that got out way out of hand because of your attempts to fight fire with fire I can't help feeling that in real life you are a great guy to shoot some bull (chess-related or not) over a few beers. That's a lot more than I can say about some posters here.
Thanks Ted!
Disastrous, what do you mean, it can hardly get more disastrous than here.
"Shoot some bull over few beers" - have to check that in the dic.

Lyudmil Tsvetkov
Posts: 6052
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:41 am

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:17 am

MikeGL wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: 803 games in total.
Out of 803 hand picked games, not even a single game for your talkchess family? At least we can discuss some games deeper. Because there's no analysis yet for any of those games, as you claimed.
What do you mean, I just posted one.
Now try refuting Bxa4 does not win for black.
This is my favourite forum(when Harm is not around), I would have posted here constantly, just too busy.

Tobber
Posts: 379
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:53 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by Tobber » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:53 pm

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
MikeGL wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: 803 games in total.
Out of 803 hand picked games, not even a single game for your talkchess family? At least we can discuss some games deeper. Because there's no analysis yet for any of those games, as you claimed.
What do you mean, I just posted one.
Now try refuting Bxa4 does not win for black.
This is my favourite forum(when Harm is not around), I would have posted here constantly, just too busy.
From your game:

[d]rr4k1/2nqbppp/1n2p3/3pP1B1/1ppP1Q2/p3NN1P/2P1BPP1/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 25

Here white plays Nd2 which is as bad as it gets, how about Ne3-g4? Could even win it for white. Against you I'm pretty sure SF would have won it.

There are other examples of bad play from white like 27. Bxe7 where Bg5-f6 would hold a draw.

You better come up with another example, your credibility is suffering.

/John

Tobber
Posts: 379
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:53 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by Tobber » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:38 pm

Tobber wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
MikeGL wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: 803 games in total.
Out of 803 hand picked games, not even a single game for your talkchess family? At least we can discuss some games deeper. Because there's no analysis yet for any of those games, as you claimed.
What do you mean, I just posted one.
Now try refuting Bxa4 does not win for black.
This is my favourite forum(when Harm is not around), I would have posted here constantly, just too busy.
From your game:

[d]rr4k1/2nqbppp/1n2p3/3pP1B1/1ppP1Q2/p3NN1P/2P1BPP1/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 25

Here white plays Nd2 which is as bad as it gets, how about Ne3-g4? Could even win it for white. Against you I'm pretty sure SF would have won it.

There are other examples of bad play from white like 27. Bxe7 where Bg5-f6 would hold a draw.

You better come up with another example, your credibility is suffering.

/John

I even downloaded Houdini 1.5 to check it's evaluation and yes, it suggests Nd2 the first 3 seconds on my slowish laptop. After that it's Ng4.

/John

User avatar
Guenther
Posts: 3109
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:33 am
Location: Regensburg, Germany
Full name: Guenther Simon
Contact:

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by Guenther » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:30 pm

Tobber wrote:rr4k1/2nqbppp/1n2p3/3pP1B1/1ppP1Q2/p3NN1P/2P1BPP1/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 25

Here white plays Nd2 which is as bad as it gets, how about Ne3-g4? Could even win it for white. Against you I'm pretty sure SF would have won it.

There are other examples of bad play from white like 27. Bxe7 where Bg5-f6 would hold a draw.

You better come up with another example, your credibility is suffering.

/John

Code: Select all

Houdini 1.5 1 thread:

4. a3 =>never
9. Nd2 =>never
15. Nd1 =>never
17. b3 =>never
19. Re1 =>never

23. Qf4 => only far below 1s for very short period 
Current foe list count : [101]
http://rwbc-chess.de/chronology.htm

Lyudmil Tsvetkov
Posts: 6052
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:41 am

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:25 am

Guenther wrote:
Tobber wrote:rr4k1/2nqbppp/1n2p3/3pP1B1/1ppP1Q2/p3NN1P/2P1BPP1/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 25

Here white plays Nd2 which is as bad as it gets, how about Ne3-g4? Could even win it for white. Against you I'm pretty sure SF would have won it.

There are other examples of bad play from white like 27. Bxe7 where Bg5-f6 would hold a draw.

You better come up with another example, your credibility is suffering.

/John

Code: Select all

Houdini 1.5 1 thread:

4. a3 =>never
9. Nd2 =>never
15. Nd1 =>never
17. b3 =>never
19. Re1 =>never

23. Qf4 => only far below 1s for very short period 
This was played on 8 threads.
You can't be so clueless about randomness in move selection by engines, can you?

Lyudmil Tsvetkov
Posts: 6052
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:41 am

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:35 am

Tobber wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
MikeGL wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: 803 games in total.
Out of 803 hand picked games, not even a single game for your talkchess family? At least we can discuss some games deeper. Because there's no analysis yet for any of those games, as you claimed.
What do you mean, I just posted one.
Now try refuting Bxa4 does not win for black.
This is my favourite forum(when Harm is not around), I would have posted here constantly, just too busy.
From your game:

[d]rr4k1/2nqbppp/1n2p3/3pP1B1/1ppP1Q2/p3NN1P/2P1BPP1/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 25

Here white plays Nd2 which is as bad as it gets, how about Ne3-g4? Could even win it for white. Against you I'm pretty sure SF would have won it.

There are other examples of bad play from white like 27. Bxe7 where Bg5-f6 would hold a draw.

You better come up with another example, your credibility is suffering.

/John
That is what I get in game play from SF 9:

[pgn][Event "Blitz 2m+2s"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish 9 64 POPCNT"]
[Black "owner"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4rk1/2nqbppp/1nb1p3/p2pP3/PppP1B2/1P3N1P/2PQBPP1/R2NR1K1 b - - 0 19"]
[PlyCount "77"]
[TimeControl "120+2"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 19... Bxa4 {0} 20. bxa4 {0.90/25 5} Nxa4 {0.61/22 1} 21. h4 {
0.55/22 1} Nb6 {0.37/20 1} 22. h5 {0.59/22 1} Qd8 {0.30/20 1} 23. Ne3 {0.40/20
0} Nb5 {0.27/21 0} 24. Ng4 {0.54/20 1} Nd7 {0.22/20 1} 25. h6 {0.30/18 1} g6 {
0.22/20 1} 26. Bh2 {0.42/18 1} a4 {0.00/17 0} 27. Bf4 {-0.07/17 1} b3 {-0.51/
20 1} 28. Qc1 {-0.41/17 1} Bb4 {-0.61/20 1} 29. cxb3 {-0.41/19 1} axb3 {-0.24/
20 1} 30. Bd2 {-0.38/20 0} Bxd2 {-1.29/20 1} 31. Qxd2 {-0.98/21 0} c3 {-1.27/
20 1} 32. Qc1 {-0.65/20 0} b2 {-0.58/22 0} 33. Rxa8 {-0.60/24 1} bxc1=N {-0.57/
21 0} 34. Rxd8 {-0.57/21 0} Nxe2+ {-0.62/20 0} 35. Kf1 {-0.36/22 0} Ng3+ {-0.
40/19 0} 36. fxg3 {-0.81/22 0} Rxd8 {-0.70/21 0} 37. Ke2 {-0.87/20 0} Rc8 {-0.
88/22 0} 38. Kd3 {-0.87/22 0} c2 {-0.60/21 0} 39. Rc1 {-0.37/24 0} Na3 {-0.70/
21 0} 40. Ne3 {-0.92/20 0} f6 {-0.85/18 0} 41. exf6 {-0.61/20 0} Nxf6 {-0.57/
21 0} 42. Ng5 {-0.47/18 0} Rb8 {-0.80/22 0} 43. g4 {-0.62/21 0} Ne4 {-1.02/20 0
} 44. Nxe4 {-0.98/19 0} dxe4+ {-1.22/20 0} 45. Kd2 {-1.21/20 0} Kf7 {-1.30/22 0
} 46. g5 {-1.06/21 0} e5 {-1.19/21 0} 47. Nxc2 {-1.29/20 0} Nc4+ {-1.37/20 0}
48. Ke1 {-1.30/19 0} Ke6 {-1.38/21 0} 49. dxe5 {-1.31/20 0} Kxe5 {-1.25/20 0}
50. Ra1 {-1.45/19 0} Rb2 {-1.32/18 0} 51. Kd1 {-1.24/20 0} Rb7 {-1.22/19 0} 52.
Ra6 {-1.15/20 0} Kf4 {-1.34/19 0} 53. Rc6 {-1.56/19 0} Ne5 {-1.55/20 0} 54. Rc5
{-1.35/22 0} Nf7 {-1.48/21 0} 55. Ke1 {-1.28/21 0} Rb2 {-1.15/18 0} 56. Kf1 {
-1.27/21 0} Nxg5 {-0.96/17 0} 57. Rc7 {-1.28/20 0} Ra2 {-1.23/21 0} *

[/pgn]

Score turns in black's favour.
Black is winning or sufficiently close to a win.

In analysis, it will turn out the same.
There are better moves for white, but there are better moves for BLACK TOO.

As you see, I have spent countless games, hours and analysis sessions before formulating my knowledge.
Concerning the validity of the 'spearhead connected passer' concept, I have formulated it explicitly, ONLY after seeing its validity corroborated in at least some 50-100 examples.

So that, all you are doing is insinuation.
Do your analysis better.

Lyudmil Tsvetkov
Posts: 6052
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:41 am

Re: The Secret of Chess 2

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:42 am

This will get out of had again.
I simply don't understand - why all this hostility to my work?
After all, I am not KILLING PEOPLE, I am just suggesting NEW CONCEPTS.

Well, the correspondence GM told me over there on Rybka forum:
"Lyudmil, don't pay attention to your detractors.
People hate the idea of adapting to new things."

Must be it...

PS. Anyway, I am just on my last to accept negative reactions.
Got too much of those...

Post Reply