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LCZero Elo

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:12 pm
by Leo
LCZero Elo poll.

Re: LCZero Elo

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:40 pm
by Werewolf
I think it would be more interesting to speculate if it will go over 3000 Elo. That’s where it will bite in my opinion

Re: LCZero Elo

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:45 pm
by pferd
What are the comparables here? 3000 Elo corresponds to which engine on which rating list?

Re: LCZero Elo

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:48 pm
by Dann Corbit
You need a reference.
Compared to random moves, the Elo is already 4230.
Hence, I assume you mean CCRL Elo or CEGT Elo or something along those lines.

Elo itself is a meaningless number. It is only in relationship to a pool of opponents that it has meaning.

Against a pool of random movers, the Elo is 4230. That is all we know right now.

Re: LCZero Elo

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:38 pm
by Leo
Compared to the top three engines.

Re: LCZero Elo

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:40 pm
by Leo
I want to play a random moving chess engine and take the results and make that my new Elo rating.

Re: LCZero Elo

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:49 pm
by Michel
Dann Corbit wrote:You need a reference.
Compared to random moves, the Elo is already 4230.
This is probably not true. The method by which this number is obtained is statistically flawed. But since it is a proxy for the true elo difference this is acceptable.

Some people are maintaining their own rating lists.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Re: LCZero Elo

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:45 pm
by lucasart
For the moment, it's only ~1500 elo CCRL, and progress is starting to stall.

On the other hand, 12 months is a long time, and immense amount of resources are thrown at it. So perhaps 2000 is possible. But 3400, definitely not...

Re: LCZero Elo

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:58 pm
by CheckersGuy
lucasart wrote:For the moment, it's only ~1500 elo CCRL, and progress is starting to stall.

On the other hand, 12 months is a long time, and immense amount of resources are thrown at it. So perhaps 2000 is possible. But 3400, definitely not...
Lc0 is beating TSCP now so I would say it's clearly above 1500

Re: LCZero Elo

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:31 am
by lucasart
CheckersGuy wrote:
lucasart wrote:For the moment, it's only ~1500 elo CCRL, and progress is starting to stall.

On the other hand, 12 months is a long time, and immense amount of resources are thrown at it. So perhaps 2000 is possible. But 3400, definitely not...
Lc0 is beating TSCP now so I would say it's clearly above 1500
No it doesnt.

See here:
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66945

It gets smashed by Zurichess rated 1800...

Even I can still beat LC0 (though I do lose more games than I win I must admit).