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Glory and Misery of Anti-Computer-Chess

Post by Glarean » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:21 pm

There is a new computer chess report in "Glarean Magazine":
"Glory and misery of anti-computer chess"

https://glarean-magazin.ch/2018/04/14/a ... -tsvetkov/

It covers Lyudmil Tsvetkov, "Carl Carstens", Pablo Restrepo ("Grand-Father") and others.
(Use the button "Translate" at the bottom right of the website for a translation into English).

Have fun: Walter

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Re: Glory and Misery of Anti-Computer-Chess

Post by BBauer » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:03 pm

This artikel contains great stuff.
Congratulation Walter!

Here a game from legendary Carl Carstens with the white pieces against Houdini:

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O a6 8.
f4 Qc7 9. Be3 O-O 10. g4 b5 11. g5 Nfd7 12. Bd3 b4 13. Na4 Nc5 14. f5 Nxa4
15. f6 g6 16. Qe1 Bd8 17. Qh4 h5 18. Be2 Qb7 19. Bxh5 e5 20. Be2 Qxe4 21. Qxe4 Bg4 22. Qxg4 Nxb2 23. Qh4 Nd7 24. Rf3 Nxf6 25. gxf6 Re8 26. Rh3 Bxf6 27. Qxf6 exd4 28. Qh8#
Blacks move 18. ..Qb7 is commented by: "nearly the worst".

Thanks Bernhard

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Re: Glory and Misery of Anti-Computer-Chess

Post by Vinvin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm

BBauer wrote:...
Blacks move 18. ..Qb7 is commented by: "nearly the worst".
...
Quick analyse by Stockfish agrees that 18. ..Qb7 is very bad (from -3.2 to +7.2) : https://lichess.org/24O9PDYm#35
But this analyse went backward, it's easy to see the right score and the right refutation this way.

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Re: Glory and Misery of Anti-Computer-Chess

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:23 pm

Glarean wrote:There is a new computer chess report in "Glarean Magazine":
"Glory and misery of anti-computer chess"

https://glarean-magazin.ch/2018/04/14/a ... -tsvetkov/

It covers Lyudmil Tsvetkov, "Carl Carstens", Pablo Restrepo ("Grand-Father") and others.
(Use the button "Translate" at the bottom right of the website for a translation into English).

Have fun: Walter

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Very good article.
Thank you, Walter.
Only problem I encounter is with the available translation option.
After all these years, machine translation still at this level?
Instead of computer chess, I should have taken to machine translation, then everyone would be able to read and understand the whole 'Glanz' of the review.

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Re: Glory and Misery of Anti-Computer-Chess

Post by Vinvin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:15 pm

Vinvin wrote:
BBauer wrote:...
Blacks move 18. ..Qb7 is commented by: "nearly the worst".
...
Quick analyse by Stockfish agrees that 18. ..Qb7 is very bad (from -3.2 to +7.2) : https://lichess.org/24O9PDYm#35
But this analyse went backward, it's easy to see the right score and the right refutation this way.
BTW black is completely toasted, so there's only losing moves for white.
10 best moves :

Code: Select all

rnbb1rk1/2q2p2/p2ppPp1/6Pp/np1NP2Q/4B3/PPP1B2P/R4RK1 b - - 1 18

Stockfish_180407_x64_modern:
...
 28/52	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+8,42	18. ... Qc5 19.Bxh5 Nc6 20.Rf3 Bxf6 21.Bxg6 fxg6 22.Nxc6 Qxc6 23.gxf6 Qd7 24.Raf1 Ra7 25.Bxa7 Qxa7+ 26.Kg2 e5 27.f7+ Kg7 28.Qf6+ Kh7 29.Rg3 Qxf7 30.Qxf7+ Rxf7 31.Rxf7+ Kh6 32.Rf6 Nc5 33.Rfxg6+ Kh7 34.Rg7+ Kh6 35.Rg8 Kh7 36.Rxc8 Nxe4 37.Rc7+ Kh6 38.Rh3+ Kg6 39.Rc4 Ng5 40.Rd3 Nf7 41.Rxb4 Kg5
 28/50	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+8,28	18. ... Nxb2 19.Bxh5 Qc3 20.Rf3 Nc4 21.Raf1 Ra7 22.Bg4 Nd7 23.Nxe6 Nxf6 24.Bxa7 Qxf3 25.Rxf3 Bxe6 26.Bxe6 Ne5 27.Rh3 fxe6 28.gxf6 Kf7 29.Qh7+ Ke8 30.Qb7 Rxf6 31.Qxb4 Nf7 32.Qc4 g5 33.Qxa6 Rf4 34.Qc4 Rg4+ 35.Kf2 Kd7
 28/49	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+8,04	18. ... d5 19.Bxh5 Qe5 20.Bg4 Nd7 21.Rf3 Nxf6 22.gxf6 Bxf6 23.Rxf6 Bd7 24.Nxe6 Qxe4 25.Qg5 d4 26.Bd2 Rfe8 27.Bf5 Qxf5 28.Rxf5 Bxe6 29.Rf4 Rec8 30.b3 Nb6 31.Rxd4 Nd7 32.Bxb4
 28/42	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+7,39	18. ... Nc3 19.Bxh5 Nxe4 20.Bf3 Nxg5 21.Bxg5 Nd7 22.Bxa8 Qa7 23.Bg2 Qxd4+ 24.Qxd4 Bb6 25.Qxb6 Nxb6 26.Rf4 Rd8 27.Rxb4 Nd7 28.Rd1 Nf8 29.Bh6 d5 30.c4 Kh7 31.Bxf8 Rxf8 32.Rb8 Re8 33.Rc1 d4 34.Kf2 d3 35.Rd1 d2 36.Bb7 Bd7 37.Rxe8 Bxe8 38.Rxd2
 28/52	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+7,37	18. ... Qb6 19.Bxh5 Nc6 20.Bxg6 fxg6 21.Qh6 Kf7 22.Qh7+ Ke8 23.Qxg6+ Kd7 24.Qg7+ Be7 25.Nf5 Qd8 26.fxe7 Nxe7 27.Nxe7 Qxe7 28.Qxf8 Qxf8 29.Rxf8 Bb7 30.Rf7+ Kc6 31.g6 Nb6 32.Bxb6 Kxb6 33.g7 Rg8 34.Rd1 d5 35.Rdf1 dxe4 36.Re7 Bd5 37.Rf8 e5 38.Rxg8 Bxg8 39.Rxe5 e3 40.b3
 28/56	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+7,37	18. ... Nd7 19.Bxh5 Nac5 20.Bxg6 fxg6 21.f7+ Rxf7 22.Rxf7 Kxf7 23.Qh7+ Ke8 24.Qxg6+ Kf8 25.Nc6 Nf6 26.gxf6 Qf7 27.Qh6+ Ke8 28.Qh8+ Kd7 29.Qg7 Qxg7+ 30.fxg7 Kxc6 31.g8Q Bb6 32.Qe8+ Kb7 33.Qe7+ Bd7 34.Kh1 Kc6 35.Rd1 Nxe4 36.Bxb6 d5 37.Rg1 Kxb6 38.Qxd7 Nc5 39.Qd6+ Kb5 40.c3 bxc3 41.bxc3 Rc8
 28/51	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+7,37	18. ... Nc5 19.Bxh5 Nbd7 20.Bxg6 fxg6 21.f7+ Rxf7 22.Rxf7 Kxf7 23.Qh7+ Ke8 24.Qxg6+ Kf8 25.Nc6 Nf6 26.gxf6 Qf7 27.Qh6+ Ke8 28.Qh8+ Kd7 29.Qg7 Qxg7+ 30.fxg7 Kxc6 31.g8Q Bb6 32.Qe8+ Kb7 33.Qe7+ Bd7 34.Kh1 Kc6 35.Rd1 Nxe4 36.Bxb6 Rb8 37.Be3 d5 38.Bf4 Rb7 39.Kg2 Kb5 40.Be5 Nc5 41.Bd4 Ne4 42.a3
 28/52	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+7,32	18. ... Nc6 19.Bxh5 Qb6 20.Bxg6 fxg6 21.Qh6 Kf7 22.Qh7+ Ke8 23.Qxg6+ Kd7 24.Qg7+ Be7 25.Nf5 Qd8 26.fxe7 Nxe7 27.Nxe7 Qxe7 28.Qxf8 Qxf8 29.Rxf8 Bb7 30.Rf7+ Kc6 31.g6 Nb6 32.Bxb6 Kxb6 33.g7 Rg8 34.Rd1 d5 35.Rdf1 dxe4 36.Re7 Bd5 37.Rf8 e5 38.Rxg8 Bxg8 39.Rxe5 e3 40.b3
 28/50	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+7,00	18. ... Kh7 19.Bxh5 Rh8 20.Bxg6+ Kg8 21.Bh5 Kf8 22.Qg4 e5 23.Nf5 Bxf5 24.Rxf5 Nd7 25.Raf1 Qc4 26.b3 Qc3 27.R5f3 Nxf6 28.gxf6 Qxe3+ 29.Rxe3 Rg8 30.Rh3 Rxg4+ 31.Bxg4 Bxf6 32.Rxf6 Ke7 33.Rhf3 Rg8 34.Rxf7+ Kd8 35.bxa4 Rxg4+ 36.Kf2 Rxe4
 28/43	03:03	 2 025 045k	11 013k	+6,54	18. ... e5 19.Nf5 Bxf5 20.exf5 Nxb2 21.Bxh5 Qc4 22.Bg4 Nd7 23.fxg6 fxg6 24.Qh3 Rf7 25.Be6 Rb8 26.Bxc4 Nxc4 27.Ba7 Rb7 28.Bf2 e4 29.Qe6 Nce5 30.Rad1 Bb6 31.Bxb6 Rxb6 32.Qd5 Nf3+ 33.Kh1 Nf8 34.Qxe4 Nxg5

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Re: Glory and Misery of Anti-Computer-Chess

Post by Spliffjiffer » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:33 pm

im glad ure back Lyudmil :-)...chess is the thing we talk about :-)
Wahrheiten sind Illusionen von denen wir aber vergessen haben dass sie welche sind.

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Man 1, Machine 0, ... 2018

Post by Father » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:10 pm

Trying playserver.chessbase.com Connected Login Welcome, Grand-father! Server Time = 17:20 (UTC+1h), 3777 users online 7.45 pm (CET) - Brainfish 110418 64 POPCNT (11 cores): 36.1 plies; 17.357kN/s Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5650 @ 2.67GHz 2659MHz, (12 CPUs) New Elo: 2044 (+31), Classic. 12:52 p.m. m'

Good afternoon Walter.

Interesting notes on chess against chess machines. Thanks for the investigations about mab versus machine.

It is important, to make known, a point of complement in relation to the blocking game, to which I use to denominate with the expression anti chess; Really the performance in the results are much more favorable to those described in the notes, and usually the computers are won over time.

Of mod that is not necessary to play hundreds of games to only achieve a tie, nor is it true that the triumphs by the human to the chess machine for time are not frequent.

A purely conservative estimate today is 5% to 10%. It is also easy to access chess players whether they are masters or not. And that technique is easy to aplly over a desk playing the engine fase to fase or by internet.


Cordially,

Pablo


[pgn][Event "Rated game, 5 min"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2018.04.17"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Grand-father"]
[Black "Emad hamdy"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "2013"]
[BlackElo "2417"]
[PlyCount "349"]
[EventDate "2018.04.17"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 {1} d5 {B 0} 2. e3 {0} Nf6 {1} 3. c3 {B 0} Bf5 {B 0} 4. f4 {1} e6 {B 0}
5. Nf3 {0} Bd6 {B 0} 6. Bd3 {0} Bxd3 {B 0} 7. Qxd3 {2} c5 {B 0} 8. Qb5+ {1} Qd7
{-0.93/24 8} 9. Qxd7+ {1 (Qe2)} Nbxd7 {6} 10. O-O {-1.15/24 0} Rc8 {-1.10/27 13
} 11. Re1 {5 (Ne5)} Ke7 {-1.17/27 13} 12. g3 {1} Ne4 {-1.06/25 10} 13. Kg2 {
3 (Nbd2)} b5 {-1.47/24 8} 14. a3 {2 (Nbd2)} c4 {-1.55/26 5} 15. Re2 {2 (Nbd2)}
a5 {-1.60/26 4} 16. Rc2 {2 (Nbd2)} a4 {-1.97/30 5} 17. Re2 {5} h6 {-2.07/29 0}
18. Nbd2 {3} Ndf6 {-2.14/29 1} 19. Nf1 {1 (Nxe4)} g5 {-2.32/26 11} 20. Bd2 {
3 (Kg1)} Rhg8 {-2.36/29 13} 21. Kh1 {3 (Bc1)} g4 {-2.16/34 3} 22. Nh4 {1} Kd7 {
-2.16/36 5} 23. Be1 {1} Rgd8 {-2.15/30 2} 24. Kg2 {1} Kc6 {-2.15/35 4} 25. Rc2
{1 (Nd2)} Rg8 {-2.15/39 3} 26. Re2 {1} h5 {-2.15/39 3} 27. Kg1 {1 (Bf2)} Rb8 {
-2.15/41 4} 28. Rc1 {0 (Bf2)} Bc7 {-2.15/37 10} 29. Rcc2 {1 (Ra1)} Ne8 {
-2.15/37 4} 30. Rc1 {1} N8d6 {-2.15/41 2} 31. Rcc2 {2 (Nd2)} Kd7 {-2.15/38 6}
32. Nd2 {1 (Rc1)} Nxd2 {-2.15/42 4} 33. Bxd2 {2 (Rexd2)} Bd8 {-2.15/39 3} 34.
Be1 {0} Bf6 {-2.15/40 6} 35. Rg2 {2 (Rc1)} Ke7 {-2.15/36 7} 36. Rc1 {1} Bg7 {
-2.15/32 2} 37. Rcc2 {1 (Re2)} Rbd8 {-2.15/41 4} 38. Rc1 {2} Ne4 {-2.15/41 1}
39. Rcc2 {1 (Kf1)} Kd6 {-2.15/38 3} 40. Rc1 {1 (Rge2)} Kc6 {-2.15/39 4} 41.
Rcc2 {0 (Ra1)} Bf6 {-2.15/41 6} 42. Rc1 {1 (Rge2)} Rge8 {-2.15/39 4} 43. Rcc2 {
1 (Kf1)} Be7 {-2.15/42 3} 44. Rc1 {1 (Rge2)} Kb6 {-2.15/35 5} 45. Rcc2 {2 (Re2)
} Rf8 {-2.15/42 3} 46. Rc1 {2} Kc6 {-2.15/39 0} 47. Rcc2 {6 (Re2)} Ra8 {
-2.15/38 3} 48. Rc1 {4} Bd6 {-2.15/44 0} 49. Rcc2 {3 (Re2)} Be7 {-2.15/41 3}
50. Rc1 {1} Rh8 {-2.15/40 1} 51. Rcc2 {1 (Ra1)} Rh6 {-2.15/43 3} 52. Rc1 {1} f5
{-2.15/44 1} 53. Rcc2 {1 (Ra1)} Bf6 {-2.15/46 3} 54. Rc1 {1} Rhh8 {-2.15/36 0}
55. Rcc2 {1 (Ng6)} Rag8 {-2.15/42 2} 56. Rc1 {1} Kb7 {-2.15/39 2} 57. Rcc2 {
1 (Re2)} Kb8 {-2.15/43 2} 58. Rc1 {1} Kc8 {-2.15/42 0} 59. Rcc2 {1 (Kf1)} Kd7 {
-2.15/42 2} 60. Rc1 {1} Be7 {-2.15/45 1} 61. Rcc2 {1} Bd8 {-2.15/44 1} 62. Rc1
{1 (Kf1)} Kc6 {-2.15/45 2} 63. Rcc2 {1 (Ra1)} Kb7 {-2.15/45 2} 64. Rc1 {1} Kc7
{-2.15/43 0} 65. Rcc2 {1 (Kf1)} Rg7 {-2.15/43 2} 66. Rc1 {1} Rhg8 {-2.15/41 0}
67. Rcc2 {1 (Ra1)} Kc8 {-2.15/43 2} 68. Rce2 {2 (Rc1)} Kd7 {-2.15/43 1} 69. Rc2
{1} Bb6 {-2.15/41 1} 70. Rce2 {1 (Rc1)} Ra8 {-2.15/43 2} 71. Rc2 {1} Kc6 {
-2.15/44 0} 72. Rce2 {1 (Rge2)} Bc7 {-2.15/44 4} 73. Rc2 {1} Bd6 {-2.15/45 0}
74. Rce2 {3 (Rge2)} Rd8 {-2.15/39 1} 75. Rc2 {1} Rh8 {-2.15/43 0} 76. Rce2 {
2 (Rge2)} Be7 {-2.15/45 2} 77. Rc2 {1} Bf6 {-2.15/45 0} 78. Rce2 {1 (Rc1)} Be7
{-2.15/47 2} 79. Rc2 {1} Kd7 {-2.15/43 0} 80. Rce2 {1 (Rc1)} Rh6 {-2.15/44 2}
81. Rc2 {1} Kd6 {-2.15/44 5} 82. Rce2 {1 (Rc1)} Rf7 {-2.15/39 1} 83. Rc2 {1}
Bf6 {-2.15/45 0} 84. Rce2 {1 (Rc1)} Rhh7 {-2.15/39 1} 85. Rc2 {0} Be7 {-2.15/
43 1} 86. Rce2 {1 (Rc1)} Bf6 {-2.15/42 12} 87. Rc2 {1} Kc6 {-2.15/38 0} 88.
Rce2 {1 (Ng6)} Rf8 {-2.15/36 1} 89. Rc2 {1 (Kf1)} Kb6 {-2.15/35 2} 90. Rce2 {
1 (Kf1)} Kb7 {-2.15/35 8} 91. Rc2 {1 (Kf1)} Rd8 {-2.15/30 1} 92. Rce2 {2 (Kf1)}
Kc6 {-2.15/28 1} 93. Rc2 {1 (Kf1)} Rb8 {-2.15/30 1} 94. Rce2 {1} Rg7 {-2.15/30
0} 95. Rc2 {1} Ra7 {-2.15/26 0} 96. Rce2 {1} Rg8 {-2.15/26 3} 97. Rc2 {1 (Kh1)}
Rh7 {-2.15/25 1} 98. Rce2 {1} Rhh8 {-2.01/25 2} 99. Rc2 {1} Rh6 {-1.68/26 0}
100. Rce2 {1 (Rge2)} Nd6 {-1.38/36 0} 101. Rc2 {1 (Kf1)} Bxh4 {-1.38/42 0} 102.
gxh4 {1} Rc8 {-1.38/45 0} 103. Bg3 {0 (Kf1)} Nb7 {-1.39/44 1} 104. Rc1 {2 (Kh1)
} Na5 {-1.39/45 0} 105. Rgc2 {1 (Kf1)} Rh7 {-1.39/43 0} 106. Kg2 {2 (Rd1)} Rd7
{-1.39/39 0} 107. Kg1 {1 (Re1)} Nb3 {-1.39/41 0} 108. Rd1 {5} Rcc7 {-1.39/47 0}
109. Kg2 {2} Ra7 {-1.39/46 0} 110. Kg1 {1 (Re2)} Ra6 {-1.39/39 0} 111. Kg2 {1}
Rb7 {-1.39/43 0} 112. Kg1 {1 (Rf1)} Rba7 {-1.39/42 0} 113. Kg2 {1} Re7 {
-1.39/46 0} 114. Kg1 {1 (Re2)} Kc7 {-1.39/40 0} 115. Kg2 {1} Rh7 {-1.39/41 0}
116. Kg1 {1 (Rg1)} Rd7 {-1.39/39 0} 117. Kg2 {1} Kb6 {-1.39/41 0} 118. Kg1 {
1 (Re2)} Rc7 {-1.39/37 0} 119. Kg2 {1} Rb7 {-1.39/43 0} 120. Kg1 {1 (Rf1)} Rb8
{-1.39/36 0} 121. Kg2 {1} Kc6 {-1.39/44 0} 122. Kg1 {1 (Rf1)} Kb6 {-1.39/41 0}
123. Kg2 {1} Ka5 {-1.39/44 0} 124. Kg1 {1 (Re2)} Re8 {-1.39/37 0} 125. Kg2 {1}
Re7 {-1.39/44 0} 126. Kg1 {1 (Re1)} Rd6 {-1.39/36 0} 127. Kg2 {1} Re8 {-1.39/
45 0} 128. Kg1 {1 (Re2)} Re7 {-1.39/39 0} 129. Kg2 {1} Rf7 {-1.39/44 0} 130.
Kg1 {1 (Kf1)} Rd8 {-1.39/41 0} 131. Kg2 {1} Kb6 {-1.39/47 0} 132. Kg1 {1 (Rf1)}
Rdd7 {-1.39/39 0} 133. Kg2 {1} Rg7 {-1.39/42 0} 134. Kg1 {1 (Re1)} Rd6 {
-1.39/35 0} 135. Kg2 {1} Rdd7 {-1.39/37 0} 136. Kg1 {1 (Re1)} Rh7 {-1.39/37 0}
137. Kg2 {1} Rh8 {-1.39/38 0} 138. Kg1 {1 (Rg1)} Rdh7 {-1.39/29 2} 139. Kg2 {1}
Kb7 {-1.39/27 0} 140. Kg1 {1 (Rf1)} Rg8 {-1.39/23 1} 141. Kg2 {1 (Re1)} Kc7 {
-1.39/21 0} 142. Kg1 {1 (Re2)} Rc8 {-1.39/19 0} 143. Kg2 {1} Kb7 {-1.39/20 0}
144. Kg1 {1 (Re2)} Na5 {-1.39/15 1} 145. Kg2 {1 (Rdc1)} Kb6 {-1.39/13 0} 146.
Kg1 {1 (Rg1)} Re8 {-1.39/12 0} 147. Kg2 {1 (Re1)} Rc7 {-1.36/10 0} 148. Kg1 {
1 (Re1)} Rb7 {-1.37/18 0} 149. Kg2 {1 (Re1)} Ra7 {-0.99/24 0} 150. Kg1 {1 (Re1)
} b4 {-0.99/24 0} 151. cxb4 {2} Nb7 {-0.99/43 0} 152. Rc3 {1 (Rg2)} Nd6 {
-0.99/25 0} 153. Kg2 {3 . (Rc2)} Nb5 {-1.64/17 0} 154. Re1 {2 (Rc2)} Nxc3 {
-2.51/29 0} 155. bxc3 {0} Rg7 {-2.51/54 0} 156. Re2 {1 (Kf2)} Rgg8 {-2.51/37 0}
157. Kf1 {1 (Kf2)} Kb5 {-2.51/29 0} 158. Rd2 {1 (Re1)} Rb8 {-2.51/25 0} 159.
Ke2 {1 (Rd1)} Rbf8 {-2.51/31 0} 160. Kd1 {1 (Rd1)} Rf7 {-2.51/27 0} 161. Kc2 {
1 (Ke2)} Rgf8 {-2.51/24 0} 162. Kb2 {1 (Kd1)} Rc8 {-2.51/26 0} 163. Ka2 {
1 (Rd1)} Rb7 {-2.51/26 0} 164. Ka1 {0 (Kb2)} Kc6 {-2.51/27 0} 165. Kb1 {1 (Kb2)
} Rcb8 {-2.51/30 0} 166. Kc1 {1 (Kb2)} Rg8 {-2.51/30 0} 167. Kc2 {1} Rgg7 {
-2.51/58 0} 168. Kb2 {1 (Rd1)} Kd6 {-2.51/33 0} 169. Rd1 {1 (Kc2)} Kc6 {
-2.51/31 0} 170. Ka2 {1 (Kc2)} Rb8 {-2.51/25 0} 171. Ka1 {1 (Kb1)} Rd8 {
-2.51/26 0} 172. Kb2 {1} Kb6 {-2.51/61 0} 173. Kc2 {1 (Ra1)} Kb5 {-2.51/32 0}
174. Kd2 {1 (Kb2)} Rdg8 {-2.51/30 0} 175. Ke2 {1 (Kc2) Time (Lag: Av=1.08s,
max=1.9s)} 1-0

[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: Man 1, Machine 0, ... 2018

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:52 pm

Amazing.
Especially the Rc1-c2-c1-c2-c1-c2-c1-c2-c1-c2-c1-c2 moves.
And later, Rc2-e2-c2-e2-c2-e2-c2-e2-c2-e2-c2-e2-c2-e2.

The translation is also amazing.
Did you translate it yourself or was it a machine one?

Father
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The battle of man against chess machines, is half truth, ...

Post by Father » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:26 pm

Lyudmil; It is incredible the low level of game of chess computers.

Do chess -computers really know how to play chess? Every day that passes I dare to believe that they do not know how to play chess.

If a computer really knew how to play high-level chess, the computer would be forced to win against anti-machine systems with great ease.

But the computers of chess are allowed to catch easily, indistinctly that they roll their motors to 40,000 kilónodos or roll to 200,000 kilónodos.

And to draw or win a computer ion time it is very, very simple. At least one game every ten games can easily win and reach a human to the best of chess computers.

Of course, those who insist on playing with the paradigms of traditional books on how to play chess, will probably not achieve a single point.

The battle of man against chess machines, is half truth, half fable.

The levels of vanity of chess critics against chess computers reach such a high level of height, that commentators prefer to deny that computers lose time, prefer to invent abzurdos such as that game is not chess, prefer to attribute defeats to lag , etc.

And to win by time or to take a draw at the chess supercomputer, the person does not need to have great intelligence, or great or special skills. It is enough for the person to be a simple (routine player) of man against machine games. That's enough. Anyone can do it. Anyone.

Cordially,

Pablo
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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