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Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by Dann Corbit » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:05 pm

From http://www.ipmanchess.yolasite.com/amd- ... -bench.php
we see this:
NPS: 431,403,814
8x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 8x24c/48t
384threads
BMI2

Now, the previous hardware setup had about the same throughput as Deep Blue (considering that the Ipman test set has lots of open positions, the 200M NPS of deep blue {with bursts of a billion} was probably about the same as the 277M NPS measured for the 4x Intel Xeon Platinum 8180 4x28c/56t. But the 431M Nps for the 8x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 8x24c/48t is surely the fastest chess machine that was ever built.

I would love to see that machine combat AlphaZero.
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Re: Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by Leto » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:30 pm

Dann Corbit wrote:From http://www.ipmanchess.yolasite.com/amd- ... -bench.php
we see this:
NPS: 431,403,814
8x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 8x24c/48t
384threads
BMI2

Now, the previous hardware setup had about the same throughput as Deep Blue (considering that the Ipman test set has lots of open positions, the 200M NPS of deep blue {with bursts of a billion} was probably about the same as the 277M NPS measured for the 4x Intel Xeon Platinum 8180 4x28c/56t. But the 431M Nps for the 8x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 8x24c/48t is surely the fastest chess machine that was ever built.

I would love to see that machine combat AlphaZero.
I think you meant 431B NPS. That does sound impressive.

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Re: Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by Vinvin » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:51 pm

Dann Corbit wrote:..., the 200M NPS of deep blue {with bursts of a billion} ...But the 431M Nps for the 8x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 8x24c/48t is surely the fastest chess machine that was ever built..
And when one adds that 1M nps with Stockfish is about the same strength as DeepBlue (200M nps), that's really frightening ;-)

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Re: Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by Milos » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:00 am

Leto wrote:
Dann Corbit wrote:From http://www.ipmanchess.yolasite.com/amd- ... -bench.php
we see this:
NPS: 431,403,814
8x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 8x24c/48t
384threads
BMI2

Now, the previous hardware setup had about the same throughput as Deep Blue (considering that the Ipman test set has lots of open positions, the 200M NPS of deep blue {with bursts of a billion} was probably about the same as the 277M NPS measured for the 4x Intel Xeon Platinum 8180 4x28c/56t. But the 431M Nps for the 8x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 8x24c/48t is surely the fastest chess machine that was ever built.

I would love to see that machine combat AlphaZero.
I think you meant 431B NPS. That does sound impressive.
No he meant million. How do you think 192 cores can produce 431B nps???
Are you that much bad in basic maths?

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Re: Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by Milos » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:04 am

Dann Corbit wrote:Now, the previous hardware setup had about the same throughput as Deep Blue (considering that the Ipman test set has lots of open positions, the 200M NPS of deep blue {with bursts of a billion} was probably about the same as the 277M NPS measured for the 4x Intel Xeon Platinum 8180 4x28c/56t. But the 431M Nps for the 8x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 8x24c/48t is surely the fastest chess machine that was ever built.
That is not that much impressive as you think.
If this post is true, that 384 core machine that Bojun was using is twice more powerful than that 8xPlatinum conf (unless he was using HT than it is on par).

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Re: Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by noobpwnftw » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:18 am

Milos wrote:
Dann Corbit wrote:Now, the previous hardware setup had about the same throughput as Deep Blue (considering that the Ipman test set has lots of open positions, the 200M NPS of deep blue {with bursts of a billion} was probably about the same as the 277M NPS measured for the 4x Intel Xeon Platinum 8180 4x28c/56t. But the 431M Nps for the 8x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 8x24c/48t is surely the fastest chess machine that was ever built.
That is not that much impressive as you think.
If this post is true, that 384 core machine that Bojun was using is twice more powerful than that 8xPlatinum conf (unless he was using HT than it is on par).
That benchmark on Ipmanchess's site is the same machine of mine that produced this result in that thread.
I have also saved the first 760 games here.

Now it is possible to build even larger systems.

So, it's just another arms race.

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Re: Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by Dann Corbit » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:36 am

A friend of mine has a superdome with 256 Itanium chips in it (from a long time ago).

The lights in the city dim when he hits the "on" switch.
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Re: Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by duncan » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:09 pm

noobpwnftw wrote: Now it is possible to build even larger systems.

So, it's just another arms race.
are the machines that can do 8 piece tablebase out yet ?

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Re: Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by Milos » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:18 pm

duncan wrote:
noobpwnftw wrote: Now it is possible to build even larger systems.

So, it's just another arms race.
are the machines that can do 8 piece tablebase out yet ?
Oh man when are you gonna get tired of running around and constantly posing ridiculously stupid questions??? :roll: :roll:

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Re: Deep Blue takes the back seat

Post by duncan » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:22 pm

Milos wrote:
duncan wrote:
noobpwnftw wrote: Now it is possible to build even larger systems.

So, it's just another arms race.
are the machines that can do 8 piece tablebase out yet ?
Oh man when are you gonna get tired of running around and constantly posing ridiculously stupid questions??? :roll: :roll:
perhaps when I get smart ? :)

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