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Someone needs to expand the y axis

Post by Dann Corbit » Tue May 22, 2018 6:50 am

http://162.217.248.187/

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Re: Someone needs to expand the y axis

Post by Henk » Tue May 22, 2018 3:30 pm

I don't understand what they mean with one network a day. Does that mean that they change the architecture of the network every day ?
So what do they change every day ?

Maybe time to roll up put options.

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Re: Someone needs to expand the y axis

Post by Robert Pope » Tue May 22, 2018 4:27 pm

Right now, they release a new net about every 30,000 games, maybe 5 nets every day. The problem is that each new net is getting retrained on a lot of the same data because they sample from a rolling history of games. Every move is getting trained multiple times, which is causing overfit problems.

By reducing to only one new net each day, there will be 5x as many new games, so less data will get used multiple times, which will hopefully fix some of the training issues they are having.

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Re: Someone needs to expand the y axis

Post by Henk » Tue May 22, 2018 4:59 pm

I assume the only change is changing the network prototype every day. Each day they clone the prototype train it and at the end of the day if clone plays better than prototype replace it that is make it the new prototype for the next day. So only weights are changing.

If they don't follow a standard proven method I would not spend 14 million games on it. Experiments should be small and quick.

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Re: Someone needs to expand the y axis

Post by BogStandard » Thu May 31, 2018 8:24 am

Is:

http://162.217.248.187/?full_elo=0

what you're looking for?

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Re: Someone needs to expand the y axis

Post by CMCanavessi » Thu May 31, 2018 1:49 pm

BogStandard wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 8:24 am
Is:

http://162.217.248.187/?full_elo=0

what you're looking for?
Correct link: http://162.217.248.187/?full_elo=1
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Re: Someone needs to expand the y axis

Post by Henk » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:17 pm

Hi hi hi. Two million games 30 elo (CCRL) progress. Compare that to the first 2 million games : 2250 elo.

No need to be afraid that robots will do complex planning tasks perfectly in the near future.

Maybe if they do their best they can make 1 elo per day in the next month.

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Re: Someone needs to expand the y axis

Post by Henk » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:00 pm

Max = avg + 5 * stdev

avg = 5900 / 2 = 2950
stdev = 8 / 2 = 4

Max = 2970
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Re: Someone needs to expand the y axis

Post by CMCanavessi » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:05 pm

Henk wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:17 pm
Hi hi hi. Two million games 30 elo (CCRL) progress. Compare that to the first 2 million games : 2250 elo.

No need to be afraid that robots will do complex planning tasks perfectly in the near future.

Maybe if they do their best they can make 1 elo per day in the next month.
No1 cares about the "official" networks anymore, nor are they being worked on. Everything is being worked in the new (testing) training pipeline using lc0. 1st test got us a 2700 elo network in 2 days and only 570k games... but that's not visible to the normal user.
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