Re: Developer tests of Stockfish need Stockfish 8 instead of Stockfish 7
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:41 pm
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https://talkchess.com/
But what do you expect if you ask on Talkchess which is not the SF developer forum the SF developers to test against SF8 instead of SF7 when the SF developers basically only test against SF master.
You are right, I addressed my post to wrong direction.syzygy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:48 pm Of course the real problem is that you are confusing this web page with SF development:
https://nextchessmove.com/dev-builds
The NCM site has nothing to do with SF development.
What you did not like about my communication? Specific lines please write.corres wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:59 pmYou are right, I addressed my post to wrong direction.syzygy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:48 pm Of course the real problem is that you are confusing this web page with SF development:
https://nextchessmove.com/dev-builds
The NCM site has nothing to do with SF development.
But the the relative Elo loss of Stockfish is a real issue.
Patience and politeness are such tings what are due to everybody, I think.
I would be happy if you called attention of me to my fault at first.
No, it is a question of too few games. SF had a good run and was overrated. Now it has a bad run. That's why many games are needed and that's why error margins are calculated. If you choose to ignore error margins, then that is your choice, but on a forum like this you will then just have to accept that people will point out your unscientific approach in no unclear terms.corres wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:59 pmYou are right, I addressed my post to wrong direction.syzygy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:48 pm Of course the real problem is that you are confusing this web page with SF development:
https://nextchessmove.com/dev-builds
The NCM site has nothing to do with SF development.
But the the relative Elo loss of Stockfish is a real issue.
You insist on ignoring error margins. Others don't need to have patience with that.Patience and politeness are such tings what are due to everybody, I think.
At first? I am not a nanny continuously monitoring this forum to save you from trouble. Instead, you could do a tiny bit of research before posting (or realising it is better not to post if you want to avoid "unpoliteness"). I mean, if you decide to open a topic to instruct the SF developers what to do, then the least you could do is to do a bit of research first, right? Or am I seeing it all wrong now?I would be happy if you called attention of me to my fault at first.
OK, you are not a moderator now as I see.syzygy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:01 am No, it is a question of too few games. SF had a good run and was overrated. Now it has a bad run. That's why many games are needed and that's why error margins are calculated. If you choose to ignore error margins, then that is your choice, but on a forum like this you will then just have to accept that people will point out your unscientific approach in no unclear terms.
So TCEC is absolute unnecessary thing.
The results of TCEC are depend on the stroke of luck merely - at least under the strict scientific approach.
But tests shows that after a few turns it forms near the final order. Why?
Maybe in the case of a relative few games the formula accepted to be scientific write down inaccurately the facts.
Patience and politeness are independent from error margins of results.You insist on ignoring error margins. Others don't need to have patience with that.
Rather it depends on the "error margins" of the man who attacks me.
At first? I am not a nanny continuously monitoring this forum to save you from trouble. Instead, you could do a tiny bit of research before posting (or realising it is better not to post if you want to avoid "unpoliteness"). I mean, if you decide to open a topic to instruct the SF developers what to do, then the least you could do is to do a bit of research first, right? Or am I seeing it all wrong now?I would be happy if you called attention of me to my fault at first.
TCEC is as unnecessary as the game of chess.
The winner of TCEC is the TCEC winner. It was never the purpose of TCEC to determine the best engine.The results of TCEC are depend on the stroke of luck merely - at least under the strict scientific approach.