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George Tsavdaris wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:53 pm

It was this position, a dead draw one:
8/8/8/KR6/p3k3/P7/2b5/8 w - - 0 1

Leela's operator was having problems with time and he was running out of time, so he offered a draw 2 moves before the end i think, but Komodo's operator didn't accept(!! really very bad Chess sportsmanship) and he couldn't keep up with executing the moves so he run out of time so 0-1.

So this loss for Leela was because her operator wasn't good enough by playing the moves on a "dead draw" position. This is not Chess of course. They should have accepted the draw in this kind of dead position but it's ok since it's inside the rules of course.

Damir wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:04 pm Humans should not be allowed to execute moves on the board, and hereby affect the outcome of the game. Let the engines play on their own, and if it is draw, it is draw...

Guenther wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:59 pm

George Tsavdaris wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:53 pm

It was this position, a dead draw one:
8/8/8/KR6/p3k3/P7/2b5/8 w - - 0 1

Leela's operator was having problems with time and he was running out of time, so he offered a draw 2 moves before the end i think, but Komodo's operator didn't accept(!! really very bad Chess sportsmanship) and he couldn't keep up with executing the moves so he run out of time so 0-1.

So this loss for Leela was because her operator wasn't good enough by playing the moves on a "dead draw" position. This is not Chess of course. They should have accepted the draw in this kind of dead position but it's ok since it's inside the rules of course.

Thanks for confirming what I guessed in my post, which I was writing at the same time, George.

Even if it is covered by the rules you won't make friends, if you refuse a draw after >130 moves and being on
the weaker side of a dead drawn 6men endgame! Very bad sportsmanship...

Laskos wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:53 am The issue here is the book, and whether the opponents can exploit the atrocious performance of Leela on tactical puzzles even in openings. Leela can easily lose 200 Elo points if the opponents will use tactically very sharp openings.

frankp wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:19 pm Allowing the possibility of 'gamesmanship' in a computer tournament is a little perplexing.
Relies on 'good' behaviour', I guess. When money/commercialism is involved, this is probably asking too much of some people.

Albert Silver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:56 pm

frankp wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:19 pm Allowing the possibility of 'gamesmanship' in a computer tournament is a little perplexing.
Relies on 'good' behaviour', I guess. When money/commercialism is involved, this is probably asking too much of some people.

More than a little perplexing. Leela and operator lost on time through their own setup. There was no power outage, no dizzy spell by the operator, in other words, no mitigating circumstances other than failing to be prepared. The clock is a part of the game. Take ownership of mistakes made, and don't blame the opponent for benefiting from them.