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Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:28 pm
by Steve Maughan
I've just splashed out on ChessBase's Fritz 16 package. It comes with "Fritz 13 SE" already installed (as well as Fritz 16 aka Rybka 4.1). The engine dialog says it's a native ChessBase engine by "Franz Morsch". It has a few options and can only uses one thread. I've done a brief search and can't find much about it at all.

Anyone have the scoop on this engine? Strength? Style? Last of the Morsch engines?

Steve

P.S. What's Franz Morsch doing these days? Is he still programming chess engines?

Re: Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:57 pm
by Werewolf
Steve Maughan wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:28 pm
I've just splashed out on ChessBase's Fritz 16 package. It comes with "Fritz 13 SE" already installed (as well as Fritz 16 aka Rybka 4.1). The engine dialog says it's a native ChessBase engine by "Franz Morsch". It has a few options and can only uses one thread. I've done a brief search and can't find much about it at all.

Anyone have the scoop on this engine? Strength? Style? Last of the Morsch engines?

Steve

P.S. What's Franz Morsch doing these days? Is he still programming chess engines?
Well here's my two pence:

i) Fritz 16 isn't Rybka 4.1. It's not much better, but Vas has done work on the engine and it's closer to what Rybka 5 would have been
ii) I'll bet you Fritz 13 isn't a Morsch engine. I think his last contribution was Fritz 10.1 (and a damn fine engine it was too)

Re: Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:29 pm
by BrendanJNorman
Werewolf wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:57 pm
Steve Maughan wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:28 pm
I've just splashed out on ChessBase's Fritz 16 package. It comes with "Fritz 13 SE" already installed (as well as Fritz 16 aka Rybka 4.1). The engine dialog says it's a native ChessBase engine by "Franz Morsch". It has a few options and can only uses one thread. I've done a brief search and can't find much about it at all.

Anyone have the scoop on this engine? Strength? Style? Last of the Morsch engines?

Steve

P.S. What's Franz Morsch doing these days? Is he still programming chess engines?
Well here's my two pence:

i) Fritz 16 isn't Rybka 4.1. It's not much better, but Vas has done work on the engine and it's closer to what Rybka 5 would have been
ii) I'll bet you Fritz 13 isn't a Morsch engine. I think his last contribution was Fritz 10.1 (and a damn fine engine it was too)
Yeah I'm pretty sure Fritz 10 or 11 were the last Morsch engines.

That guy's engines were fantastic and had a distinct tactical style.

I have fond memories of buying Fritz 7 from a bookstall the month it came out.

It's a shame he never made anything UCI/WB compatible. :cry:

Re: Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:37 pm
by peter
Hi Steve!
Steve Maughan wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:28 pm
Last of the Morsch engines?
Yes.

I still have the Deep Fritz 13 engine, pity it doesn't run on my latest systems, but it was a typical Morsch- engine, even if it did use more nullmove- pruning than the legendary F10 e.g. Yet tactically strong, better in search then in static eval, with good endgame- knowledge and using Fritz- Bases (in addition to Nalimovs), which were special bitbases, as far as I remember. "Endgame Turbo" was a collection of important 6MOB-tbs to be bought on CD, of course I had it too.
:)

For the times, when it was modern, time to depth was top of the top then, so were the nodes/sec.

After 13 came Gyula Horvath's 14 and then 15, which was Rybka, like 16 too.

https://www.schach-niggemann.com/starts ... e/825.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_(chess)
The 2013 release of Deep Fritz 14 switched engines from the original author Frans Morsch to Gyula Horváth, author of Pandix. A long time participant in world computer championships since 1984, Pandix was substantially rewritten in 2009, and has been a strong contender since then.

Fritz 15 was released on November 25, 2015 with many new features, including switching to Vasik Rajlich's famous Rybka engine.[5]

Fritz 16 was released on November 12, 2017 with a shift towards catering for players who want to play against the computer with a chance of winning. This version again uses the Rybka engine.[6]

Re: Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:27 am
by Colin-G
I was given Fritz 13 (single core version) a few years ago.
It is currently 76 elo below Rybka 4.1 in my ratings list, of which a section is shown below.
All my engines just use a single core for matches.

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Re: Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:37 pm
by peter
Hi!
Colin-G wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:27 am
I was given Fritz 13 (single core version) a few years ago.
It is currently 76 elo below Rybka 4.1 in my ratings list, of which a section is shown below.
From the already quoted Wiki- site:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_(chess)
In September 2010 SSDF rating list, Deep Fritz 12 placed sixth with a rating of 3110, 135 points higher than Deep Junior 10.1, and 103 points lower than No. 1 ranked Deep Rybka 3 x64. Deep Fritz 11 is eighth on the same list, with a rating of 3073.

On the December 2010 edition of the CCRL rating list, Deep Fritz 12 placed sixth with an Elo rating of 3088, 29 points higher than Deep Junior 11.1a x64, and 174 points lower than No. 1 ranked Deep Rybka 4 x64. Deep Fritz 11 is also sixth on the same list, with a rating of 3097. Fritz has not kept up with modern advances, attaining only 14th on the 2013 CCRL rating list and not participating in any world championships since 2004.
On this CEGT- list
http://www.cegt.net/40120new/40_120_rat ... liste.html
F13 is nr.81 with 2797 Elo.

And on this CCRL
http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/40 ... t_all.html
Deep F13 4 cores has 3037.

Re: Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:24 pm
by tpoppins
I had a look at this SE version and it doesn't seem to be much different from the regular single-thread-only Fritz 13. I did note one difference: from the startpos at d=20 one advocated 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 and the other 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3.

Re: Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:26 pm
by tpoppins
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        Engine                        Elo   +    -   Score  AvOp  Games
  Rybka 4.1 64-bit                   3079   +8   -8  49.8%   +1.9  5142
  Fritz 13                           2961  +11  -11  45.7%  +26.2  2532

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  Rybka 4.1 64-bit                   3109   +7   -6  52.0%  -14.1 10425
  Fritz 13                           2985  +10  -11  49.9%   -2.1  3558
I had a look at this SE version and it doesn't seem to be much different from the regular single-thread-only Fritz 13. I did note one difference: from the startpos at d=20 one advocated 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 and the other 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3.

Re: Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:20 am
by Chessqueen
Is Fritz16 a good Chess program that help people like me close to 1900 USCF to improve chess, or there might be a better tutor chess program around ?

Re: Fritz 13 SE?

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:25 am
by Chessqueen
Is Fritz16 a good Chess program that help people like me close to 1900 USCF to improve chess, or there might be a better tutor chess program around ?