LC0 graph has gone impressive

[Guenther]

This chesstempo website is crap. It wants you to register and than pay for a membership in order to see the games or positions...

You are doing something horribly wrong...
If you follow the link I gave AND chose a game WITH a result you can simply view it.
(games with no result were cancelled and therefore the board is empty)

[Guenther]

Sorry for reposting the tables, but I forgot an interesting count,
which I also found astonishing before I started to investigate this.

The number of dupes (or not unique) games also seems to have
gone up a lot! Note that I initially had cut off the data at 40 plies,
so this is only about 40 plies dupes.
I might take a higher value next time, may be on Monday.

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Match-ID:5256   NN31478 vs. NN31477
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Count   Moves           Opening           %
389     1.e4 e6         French          80,87
9       1.e4 c5         Sicilian         1,87
21      1.e4 e5         KPs              4,37
3       1.c4            English          0,62
4       1.Nf3           Reti             0,83
3       1.d4            QP               0,62
13      1.b3/b4/e3/g3                    2,70
37      not 1.e4                         7,69
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481     total                          100,00
301	40 plies dupes			62,58

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Match-ID:5220   NN31442 vs. NN31441
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Count   Moves           Opening           %
345     1.e4 e6         French          72,18
4       1.e4 c5         Sicilian         0,84
75      1.e4 e5         KPs             15,69
5       1.c4            English          1,05
3       1.Nf3           Reti             0,63
2       1.d4            QP               0,42
7       1.b3/b4/e3/g3                    1,46
28      not 1.e4                         5,86
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478     total                          100,00
281	40 plies dupes			58,79

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Match-ID:4940   NN31174 vs. NN31173
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Count   Moves           Opening           %
339     1.e4 e6         French          73,70
32      1.e4 c5         Sicilian         6,96
9       1.e4 e5         KPs              1,96
5       1.c4            English          1,09
6       1.Nf3           Reti             1,30
8       1.d4            QP               1,74
9       1.b3/b4/e3/g3                    1,96
40      not 1.e4                         8,70
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460     total                          100,00
226	40 plies dupes			49,13

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Match-ID:2235   NN20590 vs. NN20589
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Count   Moves           Opening           %
8       1.e4 e6         French           1,59
38      1.e4 c5         Sicilian         7,54
6       1.e4 e5         KPs              1,19
46      1.c4            English          9,13
37      1.Nf3           Reti             7,34
69      1.d4            QP              13,69
71      1.b3/b4/e3/g3                   14,09
398     not 1.e4                        78,97
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504     total                          100,00
  0	40 plies dupes			 0,00

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Match-ID:1513   NN11198 vs. NN11197
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Count   Moves           Opening           %
0       1.e4 e6         French           0,00
37      1.e4 c5         Sicilian         7,96
0       1.e4 e5         KPs              0,00
67      1.c4            English         14,41
145     1.Nf3           Reti            31,18
48      1.d4            QP              10,32
123     1.b3/b4/e3/g3                   26,45
423     not 1.e4                        90,97
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465     total                          100,00
 36	40 plies dupes		 	 7,74

[Damir]

When I try and Click on game ID I get this message: Thanks to http://chesstempo.com for the board viewer!
Nothing happens after that.

[crem]

When I try and Click on game ID I get this message: Thanks to http://chesstempo.com for the board viewer!
Nothing happens after that.

Try going to http:// instead of https://
Board viewer doesn't work well with https due to cross site scripting protection.

[Damir]

SQL is a heavy DB program. I don't like to load my pc with useless software. It was better use it in as a simple pgn. The SQL software makes system run services in background so slow down the pc...

[Damir]

Leela wasting time with other moves instead of going after mate: http://lczero.org/match_game/2731222
seems like its networks are buggy, and played 50 or more useless moves instead of going after mate..

[carldaman]

Take a look at this thread,

http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68963

for a possible explanation.

[Guenther]

I fiddled around again with the match games of LC0 especially NN30 results.

Here is an opening overview for selected match IDs (each 40th calculated)
Also I extended the dupes comparison to 60 plies now.
Interesting that it had a huge fail low lately, may be they changed something which introduced more randomess again
in match play?

Development of Opening Moves Frequency over Match ID Progress.jpg

There is also a sheet with all data to it (also Match ID to NN ID overview)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... fITciUICB4

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M-ID    NN1     NN2
5465    31686   31685
5425    31647   31646
5385    31607   31606
5345    31567   31566
5305    31527   31526
5265    31487   31486
5225    31447   31446
5185    31407   31406
5145    31367   31366
5105    31327   31326
5065    31287   31286
5025    31247   31246
4985    31213   31212
4945    31178   31177

[chrisw]

I fiddled around again with the match games of LC0 especially NN30 results.

Here is an opening overview for selected match IDs (each 40th calculated)
Also I extended the dupes comparison to 60 plies now.
Interesting that it had a huge fail low lately, may be they changed something which introduced more randomess again
in match play?

Development of Opening Moves Frequency over Match ID Progress.jpg

There is also a sheet with all data to it (also Match ID to NN ID overview)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... fITciUICB4

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M-ID    NN1     NN2
5465    31686   31685
5425    31647   31646
5385    31607   31606
5345    31567   31566
5305    31527   31526
5265    31487   31486
5225    31447   31446
5185    31407   31406
5145    31367   31366
5105    31327   31326
5065    31287   31286
5025    31247   31246
4985    31213   31212
4945    31178   31177

sorry for being stupid, but these matches are what exactly? the current version versus its predecessor? test games from lc0.org?

so, the test procedure is to check if x+1 wins against x? if it doesn’t, what happens, it goes forward anyway, or it gets junked, and x stays, until there’s an x+1 that beats it?

[chrisw]

I fiddled around again with the match games of LC0 especially NN30 results.

Here is an opening overview for selected match IDs (each 40th calculated)
Also I extended the dupes comparison to 60 plies now.
Interesting that it had a huge fail low lately, may be they changed something which introduced more randomess again
in match play?

Development of Opening Moves Frequency over Match ID Progress.jpg

There is also a sheet with all data to it (also Match ID to NN ID overview)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... fITciUICB4

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M-ID    NN1     NN2
5465    31686   31685
5425    31647   31646
5385    31607   31606
5345    31567   31566
5305    31527   31526
5265    31487   31486
5225    31447   31446
5185    31407   31406
5145    31367   31366
5105    31327   31326
5065    31287   31286
5025    31247   31246
4985    31213   31212
4945    31178   31177

dupes and French correlate