Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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Nay Lin Tun
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Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:10 pm

https://tcecbayeselo.blogspot.com/2018/ ... -58_5.html

According to Aloril's blogspot, Leela's TCEC elo is 3580, highest elo in the list.

Dont believe it?? Ask Alori, not me! :D :P
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by Damir » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:20 pm

the games please...

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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:25 pm

Damir wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:20 pm
the games please...
http://legacy-tcec.chessdom.com/archive ... di=3&ga=59

Click season 14, Division 3.

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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by jp » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:49 pm

Nay Lin Tun wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:25 pm
Click season 14, Division 3.
Meaning it's not playing against SF etc., which is great when someone wants to make wild comparisons and claim +90 elo.

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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by Dann Corbit » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:20 pm

Error bar is +/- 154 Elo.
But it does appear to be playing very well.

I do not have a problem with someone getting excited over something new.
I do that myself all the time.
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by Damir » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:26 pm

Nay Lin Tun wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:25 pm
Damir wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:20 pm
the games please...
http://legacy-tcec.chessdom.com/archive ... di=3&ga=59

Click season 14, Division 3.
I want to see the games where Leela is ahead of Stockfish… Stockfish is not playing in the current division where Leela is playing. :) :)

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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by sovaz1997 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:29 pm

The score consists of all the games TCEC in the amount of
Zevra chess engine
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:53 pm

Damir wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:26 pm
Nay Lin Tun wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:25 pm
Damir wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:20 pm
the games please...
http://legacy-tcec.chessdom.com/archive ... di=3&ga=59

Click season 14, Division 3.
I want to see the games where Leela is ahead of Stockfish… Stockfish is not playing in the current division where Leela is playing. :) :)
Well, you dont need to play head to head for elo comparision. Theoretically, it is possible that someone may have higher than M. Carlsen's elo without facing him 1v1.

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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by jdart » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:30 am

Arasan had a win against Leela:



Looks like 35.. Rcd8 was a blunder. Black should have played Rf8:


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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

Post by MikeGL » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:00 am

Nay Lin Tun wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:10 pm
https://tcecbayeselo.blogspot.com/2018/ ... -58_5.html

According to Aloril's blogspot, Leela's TCEC elo is 3580, highest elo in the list.

Dont believe it?? Ask Alori, not me! :D :P
Thanks for the attached Ranking Table and for the TCEC heads up. There are interesting games and weird win by engines.
As an example, notice the win of Lc0(as black) versus Hannibal, where Hannibal (as white) had already a drawing line via perpetual at move 7 already!



This, i think, is the reason why Lc0 cannot have a very strong rating because even an 1100 rated human player could draw with this openning even at move 7 as shown by Lc0 game above. This means any amateurish weak engine can also escape with a draw against Lc0. Forced draw is of course 7.Qd6+ with a perpetual check by Hannibal resulting to a draw. But it seems Lc0 is also partly a psychic ; ) predicting correctly that Hannibal won't settle for a cheap perpetual check and escape with draw.

Study this game and make your own conclusion.
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