Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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Nay Lin Tun
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Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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https://tcecbayeselo.blogspot.com/2018/ ... -58_5.html

According to Aloril's blogspot, Leela's TCEC elo is 3580, highest elo in the list.

Dont believe it?? Ask Alori, not me! :D :P
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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the games please...
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Nay Lin Tun
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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Damir wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:20 pm the games please...
http://legacy-tcec.chessdom.com/archive ... di=3&ga=59

Click season 14, Division 3.
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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Nay Lin Tun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:25 pm Click season 14, Division 3.
Meaning it's not playing against SF etc., which is great when someone wants to make wild comparisons and claim +90 elo.
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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Error bar is +/- 154 Elo.
But it does appear to be playing very well.

I do not have a problem with someone getting excited over something new.
I do that myself all the time.
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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Nay Lin Tun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:25 pm
Damir wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:20 pm the games please...
http://legacy-tcec.chessdom.com/archive ... di=3&ga=59

Click season 14, Division 3.
I want to see the games where Leela is ahead of Stockfish… Stockfish is not playing in the current division where Leela is playing. :) :)
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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The score consists of all the games TCEC in the amount of
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Nay Lin Tun
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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Damir wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:26 pm
Nay Lin Tun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:25 pm
Damir wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:20 pm the games please...
http://legacy-tcec.chessdom.com/archive ... di=3&ga=59

Click season 14, Division 3.
I want to see the games where Leela is ahead of Stockfish… Stockfish is not playing in the current division where Leela is playing. :) :)
Well, you dont need to play head to head for elo comparision. Theoretically, it is possible that someone may have higher than M. Carlsen's elo without facing him 1v1.
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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Arasan had a win against Leela:

[pgn][Event "TCEC Season 14 - Division 3"] [Site "http://tcec.chessdom.com"] [Date "2018.12.03"] [Round "3.4"] [White "Arasan CCC3"] [Black "LCZero v19-TP-11248"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "E92"] [WhiteElo "3204"] [BlackElo "3247"] [PlyCount "107"] [EventDate "2018.??.??"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 O-O 5. Nf3 d6 6. Be2 e5 7. dxe5 dxe5 8. O-O Nc6 9. Qxd8 Nxd8 10. Rd1 Bg4 11. Be3 Bxf3 12. Bxf3 Ne6 13. Na4 Rfe8 14. Nc5 Nxc5 15. Bxc5 Bh6 16. g4 a5 17. Ba3 Bg5 18. Rd3 b6 19. b3 h6 20. Bb2 Nh7 21. Rad1 Bf4 22. h4 Nf8 23. Kf1 Ne6 24. Rd7 Rac8 25. h5 Kg7 26. R7d5 Kf6 27. hxg6 fxg6 28. Be2 Nc5 29. Bf3 Ne6 30. Be2 Nc5 31. Bf3 Na6 32. Ba3 Nb4 33. Rd7 Nxa2 34. Rh7 Nb4 35. Rdd7 Rcd8 36. Rdf7+ Kg5 37. Rhg7 Rf8 38. Rf5+ Kh4 39. Rxg6 Rxf5 40. gxf5 Bg5 41. Be2 Rd6 42. Bb2 Nc6 43. f4 Bxf4 44. Ba3 Nb4 45. Bxb4 axb4 46. Rg4+ Kh3 47. Rxf4 exf4 48. e5 Rd7 49. f6 Rf7 50. c5 Rf8 51. Bc4 Kg3 52. e6 Rxf6 53. e7 b5 54. Bg8 1-0 [/pgn]

Looks like 35.. Rcd8 was a blunder. Black should have played Rf8:

[d]2r1r3/2pR3R/1p3kpp/p3p3/1nP1PbP1/BP3B2/5P2/5K2 b - - 0 35
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Re: Leela is doing well in TCEC season 14, +90 elo above SF

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Nay Lin Tun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:10 pm https://tcecbayeselo.blogspot.com/2018/ ... -58_5.html

According to Aloril's blogspot, Leela's TCEC elo is 3580, highest elo in the list.

Dont believe it?? Ask Alori, not me! :D :P
Thanks for the attached Ranking Table and for the TCEC heads up. There are interesting games and weird win by engines.
As an example, notice the win of Lc0(as black) versus Hannibal, where Hannibal (as white) had already a drawing line via perpetual at move 7 already!

[pgn] [Event "TCEC Season 14 D3 round 09"] [Site "?"] [Date "2018"] [Round "9"] [White "Hannibal 20181202"] [Black " LCZero v19-TP-11248"] [Result "0-1"] [PlyCount "90"] [WhiteType "AB Engine"] [BlackType "MCTS-NN"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 d6 3. Bc4 Be7 4. d4 exd4 5. Qh5 dxc3 6. Qxf7+ Kd7 7. Be6+ Kc6 8. Nf3 Bxe6 9. Qxe6 Bf6 10. Rb1 Qe7 11. Qd5+ Kd7 12. Qxb7 Nc6 13. Qxa8 Qxe4+ 14. Be3 g5 15. O-O Nge7 16. Qb7 Rb8 17. Qa6 cxb2 18. Bxg5 Bxg5 19. Nxg5 Qxc2 20. Qa3 Nd4 21. Kh1 Nd5 22. Nxh7 Nc3 23. Qxa7 Nxb1 24. Qxb8 Qc1 25. Rg1 Nc3 26. Nf8+ Kc6 27. Qa8+ Kb5 28. Qb7+ Ka4 29. Qa7+ Kb5 30. Qb7+ Kc4 31. Qxc7+ Kd3 32. Qh7+ Ne4 33. Qh3+ Kc2 34. Qc8+ Nc5 35. g3 b1=Q 36. Rxc1+ Qxc1+ 37. Kg2 Qg5 38. Qa8 Qf5 39. f3 d5 40. f4 Kd1 41. Qa3 Nd3 42. Qa4+ Nc2 43. h4 Qg4 44. Ng6 Qe2+ 45. Kh3 Qf3 0-1 [/pgn]

This, i think, is the reason why Lc0 cannot have a very strong rating because even an 1100 rated human player could draw with this openning even at move 7 as shown by Lc0 game above. This means any amateurish weak engine can also escape with a draw against Lc0. Forced draw is of course 7.Qd6+ with a perpetual check by Hannibal resulting to a draw. But it seems Lc0 is also partly a psychic ; ) predicting correctly that Hannibal won't settle for a cheap perpetual check and escape with draw.

Study this game and make your own conclusion.
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