Re: Alphazero news
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:27 pm
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I am not sure that Komodo was superior to the Stockfish. Have any exact data?
I did a quick chart with CCRL data. I hope it is somehow readable. I didn't remember immediately how to fit bestsovaz1997 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:14 pmI am not sure that Komodo was superior to the Stockfish. Have any exact data?
TCEC Superfinals? Have to check. Until Lazy SMP was introduced in Sf, Komodo beat systematically Sf.Guenther wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:48 pmI did a quick chart with CCRL data. I hope it is somehow readable. I didn't remember immediately how to fit bestsovaz1997 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:14 pmI am not sure that Komodo was superior to the Stockfish. Have any exact data?
two entities into the same time scale in one graph, when preparing the data.
Note that I omitted the versions with 4cpu because this would be confusing and those who had no ratings in both
categories 40/40 and 40/4 - for the graph I used an average rating of both categories.
Also there are more Komodo entries due to mostly no testing of dev versions of SF.
Last caveat, this is only about Komodo and SF (as the post suggested) and Houdini and Rybka are not represented.
Anyhow one still can conclude that Komodo really was above SF between 2011-08 and 2013-10, while since 2013-11 SF always
was in front of Komodo beginning with the SF DD release.
Yet, I wouldn't call this 'totally dominating' for that period.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... O-001ibS9k
Added Houdini, Rybka, Fruit and Shredder to the graph...
I propose you to switch off the contempt totally.
It looks like it will be a long time.matthewlai wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:15 amThat would be good, but it would also be a lot of work for us (AZ is tightly-coupled with DM and Google's systems) for not really much value to the scientific community. We feel that it's our ideas and algorithms that are important, not our implementation. That's why we have published all the algorithms we developed in detail, with almost-runnable pseudo-code, so that they can be replicated easily. And who knows, maybe someone will come up with a better implementation than we did! I am personally really excited about what Leela has already achieved, and hopefully it won't be long before it will be at the level of AlphaZero!Daniel Shawul wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:35 pmWhile I sympathize with that statement, releasing A0 source code and networks for anyone to test sounds better.matthewlai wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:00 pmUnfortunately we weren't able to get our time machine up and running before we finished writing the paper in order to test against engines that hadn't been released yet. But don't worry, we are working hard on that!Vinvin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:26 pmStockfish 8 ???arunsoorya1309 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:39 pmhttps://www.chess.com/news/view/updated ... game-match
They really fear real Stockfish ...
Many will not be satisfied with in-house testing with supposedly fair conditions.