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Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by muxecoid » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:07 am

Out of 8 top engines most are free. Strongest engine is free. Every move found by Houdini will also be found by either Stockfish, Ethereal, Andscacs or Leela. So who are the people who still pay?

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Re: Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by AdminX » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:37 am

I still pay because I don't mind supporting the developers for their work. Yes it is great that you can get strong chess engines for free, but I would not have a problem paying for Leela because of it's unique approach to the game, and also because I enjoy it's style of play.
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Re: Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by S.Taylor » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:25 pm

muxecoid wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:07 am
Out of 8 top engines most are free. Strongest engine is free. Every move found by Houdini will also be found by either Stockfish, Ethereal, Andscacs or Leela. So who are the people who still pay?
I like to pay on a one-time-basis for the top top engine that is also very user friendly and durable for at least the next 20 years.
And when i get that engine i want to use it for study and anysis and for challenging myself with its various levels, and i don't then want any new engines after that, so i don't have a moving target.

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Re: Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by Dann Corbit » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:18 pm

I buy the top commercial engines.

For instance, Shredder found an interesting alternative here:

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 3 Qxh4;                
    Searching move: Qh5xh4
    Best move (DeepShredder13Linuxx64): Rf6-g6
    Not found in: 1:00:00
     2/2	00:02	          49	2k	-1.36	Qxh4 Qxe5
     3/5	00:02	         113	4k	-2.64	Qxh4 Qxe5 Bc8 Qxe7
     3/8	00:02	         231	8k	-1.26	Rc8 d6 exd6
     4/8-	00:02	         353	12k	-1.51	Rc8 c6 g3
     4/8-	00:02	         414	14k	-1.51	Rc8 c6 g3
     4/8-	00:02	         545	18k	-1.87	Rc8 c6 g3
     4/8-	00:02	         644	20k	-1.98	Rc8 c6 Rxc7 cxd7
     4/8+	00:02	         689	22k	-1.80	Bc8
     4/8	00:02	         762	24k	-1.70	Bc8 c6 Qxh4 Qxe5
     5/8-	00:02	         892	27k	-1.89	Bc8 a4 Bh8
     5/8-	00:02	          1k	30k	-1.89	Bc8 a4 Bh8
     5/9-	00:02	          1k	34k	-1.99	Bc8 a4 Kh8 a5
     5/9+	00:02	          1k	35k	-1.82	Rc8
     5/9+	00:02	          1k	36k	-1.35	Rc8 Qb3
     5/9	00:02	          1k	38k	-1.25	Rc8 c6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rxd7
     6/9-	00:02	          1k	40k	-1.37	Rc8 c6 Kf8
     6/9-	00:02	          2k	62k	-1.45	Rc8 c6 bxc6
     6/9	00:02	          4k	107k	-1.53	Rc8 c6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rxd7 Be3
     7/13	00:02	         19k	484k	-1.51	Rc8 c6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rf8 b6 Rxd7
     8/20	00:02	        125k	2,710k	-1.50	Rc8 Bc4 Kf8 d6 exd6 b6 axb6 Qxb6
     9/20-	00:02	        214k	4,360k	-1.58	Rc8 Bc4 Rf7
     9/20+	00:02	        318k	5,483k	-1.50	Rc8 Bc4 Kf8 b6
     9/20-	00:02	        327k	5,642k	-1.58	Rc8 Bc4 Rcf8
     9/20+	00:02	        367k	6,123k	-1.46	Rc8 Bc4 Kh8 b6
     9/20+	00:02	        401k	6,474k	-1.25	Rc8 d6
     9/20-	00:02	        405k	6,531k	-1.64	Rc8 Bc4 Bxb5
     9/20	00:02	        439k	6,865k	-1.43	Rc8 Bc4 Kf8 d6 exd6 cxd6 Bh6 b6 axb6 Bxh6+ Rxh6
    10/20+	00:02	        703k	9,128k	-1.36	Rc8 d6
    10/20-	00:02	        705k	9,038k	-1.50	Rc8 Bc4 Qxh4 c6 g3
    10/20-	00:02	        909k	10,574k	-1.54	Rc8 Bc4 Bh8
    10/20	00:02	      1,024k	11,379k	-1.53	Rc8 Bc4 Kh8 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rf8 d6 Rxd7
    11/20	00:02	      1,316k	12,535k	-1.56	Rc8 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rxd7 Be3 Rf8 Bb5 Rb7
    11/20+	00:02	      1,434k	12,922k	-1.56	Qxh4
    12/24-	00:02	      1,914k	14,610k	-1.63	Rc8 c6 a6
    12/25-	00:02	      2,177k	14,909k	-1.70	Rc8 c6 Rxc7
    12/25+	00:02	      2,195k	14,929k	-1.70	Qxh4
    12/25-	00:02	      2,812k	15,624k	-1.81	Rc8 c6 Rxc7
    12/25+	00:02	      2,816k	15,642k	-1.70	Qxh4
    12/25+	00:02	      2,867k	15,666k	-1.63	Qxh4 Rd1
    12/25+	00:02	      3,119k	16,080k	-1.48	Qxh4 c6 Bc8 Be3 bxc6 Bxa7
    12/25-	00:02	      3,129k	16,047k	-1.62	Qxh4 c6 b6
    12/25	00:02	      3,462k	16,566k	-1.73	Qxh4 c6 Bc8 cxb7 Bxb7 Ne6 Rxe6 dxe6 Nf6 Qb4 Nh5 Be3 Nf4 Kh1 Bc8 Bc4 Qh3 Rg1
    13/25-	00:03	      3,705k	16,842k	-1.80	Qxh4 c6 bxc6
    13/25+	00:03	      4,100k	16,668k	-1.73	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6
    13/25+	00:03	      4,325k	16,893k	-1.62	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Kh1
    13/25+	00:03	      4,722k	17,232k	-1.48	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Nb5 Rg6 d6
    13/25+	00:03	      5,237k	17,399k	-1.27	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Nb5 Rg6 Be3 Ng5 Rad1
    13/27	00:03	      5,933k	17,657k	-1.19	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Bc4 Kh8 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Rg6 Be3 g3 fxg3 Qxe4
    14/27-	00:03	      6,382k	17,825k	-1.26	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qb4 e6
    14/27-	00:03	      6,660k	17,761k	-1.33	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qb4 Rg6
    14/27-	00:03	      6,818k	17,708k	-1.43	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qc2 Qh3
    14/28+	00:03	      7,813k	18,647k	-1.34	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qc2 Rg6 Rd1 Ng5 Qc4+ e6 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qc2
    14/28+	00:03	      8,715k	19,629k	-1.14	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qc2 Rg6 Be3
    14/28	00:03	      9,034k	19,942k	-1.19	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 Kh1 e6 Nb4 Bf6 Nd3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Rac1 Rd8 Qb4
    15/28	00:03	     10,208k	21,048k	-1.25	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 Rd1 e6 b6 axb6 Nxb6 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qb4 Qh6 Qd6
    16/28	00:03	     10,984k	21,329k	-1.27	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 Rd1 e6 b6 axb6 Nxb6 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qb4
    17/28-	00:03	     12,430k	22,197k	-1.34	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 b6 axb6 Nxb6 Ng5
    17/28+	00:03	     13,602k	22,707k	-1.33	Rg6
    17/30	00:03	     17,270k	24,290k	-1.35	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 b6 axb6 Nxb6 e6 Rd1 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qb4 Qf4 Qd6 Qxe4 a4
    18/30+	00:03	     19,580k	25,071k	-1.28	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 fxg3
    18/31+	00:03	     21,387k	25,491k	-1.21	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 fxg3
    18/31+	00:03	     24,860k	26,335k	-1.10	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 fxg3
    18/32+	00:03	     29,500k	27,214k	-0.95	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 hxg3 Rxg3+ fxg3 Qxg3+ Kh1 Qh4+ Bh3 Qxe1+ Bf1 Qxf1+ Kh2 Qxb5 Qxa7
    18/33+	00:04	     35,651k	28,072k	-0.75	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 Qxf3+
    18/35+	00:04	     56,513k	29,573k	-0.12	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 Qxf3+
    18/35	00:05	     70,391k	30,250k	-0.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qd2 Rd8 Qc2 Nf6 exd5 Rxb7 Rxe5 Nxd5 Bg5
    19/35-	00:05	     70,936k	30,250k	-0.11	Qxh4 c6 Bh8
    19/35+	00:05	     74,829k	30,418k	-0.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Bc4 Kh8 Be3
    19/38	00:05	     84,835k	30,827k	 -0.00	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Bc4+ e6 Rd1 Qh3 Bf1 Qh4 Rd6 Rg6 Qb3 g3 hxg3 Rxg3+ fxg3 Qxg3+ Kh1 Qh4+ Kg1 Qg3+
    20/38	00:05	     89,087k	30,944k	 -0.00	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qb3+ e6 Rd1 Rg6 Rd7 Bxd7 cxd7 g3 hxg3 Rxg3+ fxg3 Qxg3+ Kh1 Qh4+ Kg1 Qg3+
    21/38+	00:06	    111,148k	31,345k	+0.07	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Bc4+ Kh8 Nd5 Rg6 Be3 e6 b6 exd5 b7 dxc4 b8Q Qh3 Q2xe5
    21/39	00:06	    124,459k	31,669k	+0.02	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 d6 Rxd6 Nb5 Rxc6 Nxa7 Rd6 Nxc8 Rxc8 Qb7 Rf8 Rd1 Rxd1 Qb3+ Kh8 Qxd1 Nf6 Qc2 Qh7 Bg5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Qc5 g3 fxg3 Nxe4 Qxe5+ Qf6
    22/39+	00:07	    146,639k	31,761k	+0.09	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 d6 Rxd6 Nb5 Rxc6 Be3
    22/39-	00:07	    149,929k	31,711k	+0.02	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 d6 Rxd6 Nb5 Rxc6 Nxa7 Rd6 Nxc8 Rxc8 a4 Rdc6 Ra2 Kf8 a5 Qh5
    22/39+	00:07	    152,261k	31,761k	+0.09	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Bc4
    22/39+	00:08	    186,285k	31,942k	+0.24	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 d6 Rxd6 Nb5 Rh6 Bxh6 Bxh6 Qxe5 Bf4 Bc4+ e6 Bxe6+ Bxe6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qd5
    22/42-	00:09	    208,140k	32,031k	+0.12	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Kh1 Rg6 a4
    22/42+	00:10	    236,758k	31,934k	+0.28	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Kh1 e6 a4 Ng5 Qxe5 Rg6 Bxg5 Rxg5 Qg3 Qxg3 hxg3 Be5 Na8 Bxg3 Kg1 Rh5 Re3
    22/42+	00:12	    305,794k	31,675k	+0.64	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 a4 Rg6 Kh1 Ng5 Bxg5 Rxg5 Nd5 Rh5 h3 gxh3 Bc4 e6 b6 axb6 Bd3
    22/42-	00:14	    357,139k	31,630k	+0.35	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 b6
    22/53+	00:16	    434,487k	31,555k	+0.73	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Qb4 Bxd5 exd5 Rh6 Bxh6 Bxh6 Re4 Bf4 Rxf4 exf4 d6 exd6 Kg1 Ng5 Re1 d5 Qd4 Rd8 Qxb6 Ne4 Qd4
    22/53	00:19	    511,079k	31,381k	+1.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Kg1 d4 a4 Kh8 Ba3 Rd8 Rab1 d3 Bxd3 Rxb1 Rxb1 Bh6 Bc4 Bf4
    23/53-	00:20	    542,507k	31,343k	+0.96	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 g3 fxg3 Rxg3 Qf2 Rg4 Qxh4 Rxh4 Ba3 Rc8 Ba6 Rxh2+
    23/53-	00:20	    542,957k	31,338k	+0.89	Qxh4 c6 Rg6
    23/53	00:20	    551,959k	31,253k	+0.83	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ba6 Rb4 Qc5 Rb6 Bc4+ Kh8
    24/53-	00:20	    553,932k	31,255k	+0.76	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ba6 Rb4 Rg1 Bh6
    24/53+	00:21	    581,916k	31,264k	+0.83	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 cxd7 g3 fxg3 Rxg3+ hxg3 Qxg3+ Kh1 f2 Qxf2 Qxf2 Be3 Qh4+ Kg1 Qg4+ Bg2 Qxd7 Rac1 Qg4 Rf1 Ng5 b6
    24/53-	00:21	    582,085k	31,265k	+0.76	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Qh5
    24/53-	00:21	    583,680k	31,296k	+0.62	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 g3 fxg3 f2
    24/53-	00:21	    586,622k	31,287k	+0.41	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 g3 fxg3 Rxg3 Qf2 Rg4 Qxh4 Rxh4 Ba3 Ra8
    24/53-	00:21	    597,915k	31,286k	+0.14	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 g3 fxg3 Rxg3 Qf2 Rg4 Qxh4 Rxh4 Ba3 Rc8 Ba6 Rg4
    24/53+	00:23	    643,469k	31,214k	+0.35	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 d4 Ba6 Ng5 c8Q Bxc8 a8Q Rh6 Be3
    24/53+	00:24	    669,837k	31,276k	+0.82	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 d4 Ba6 Ng5 c8Q Bxc8 a8Q Rh6 Kg1
    24/53	00:27	    765,693k	31,155k	+0.95	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb3+ Kh8 Bd2 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qe6 Rc7 Bd3 Kh7 Qd5 Qf4 Rb7 Rxb7 Qxb7
    25/53+	00:29	    821,604k	31,079k	+1.02	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 h3
    25/53	00:30	    876,713k	31,054k	+1.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb3+ Kh8 Bd2 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qe6 Rc7 Bd3 Kh7 Qd5 Rff7 Qe6 Qg6
    26/53-	00:31	    878,523k	31,055k	+0.96	Qxh4 c6 g3
    26/53+	00:32	    920,930k	31,029k	+1.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb3+ Kh8 Bd2 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qb2
    26/53-	00:33	    951,051k	30,995k	+0.96	Qxh4 c6 Rg6
    26/53	00:33	    952,842k	30,998k	+0.89	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb3+ Kh8 Bd2 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5
    27/53	00:35	    996,077k	31,002k	+0.89	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Bd2 Rfc8 Qd3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Rab1 Rxb1 Rxb1
    28/53-	00:35	  1,001,264k	30,974k	+0.82	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Bd2 Rfc8 Qd3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Rab1 Rxb1 Rxb1 Qh6
    28/53+	00:38	  1,099,425k	30,774k	+0.89	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Bd2 Ng5
    28/53-	00:39	  1,134,479k	30,767k	+0.82	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Rac1 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Rxc6 Bxb2 Rh6 Qf6 Rxf6 Nxf6 Bxb6 Nxd5 Rxe4 Nxb6 Rb4 g3 hxg3 e6 Rxb6 Rf5
    28/53-	00:39	  1,141,401k	30,775k	+0.67	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Rac1 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Rxc6 Bxb2 Rh6 Qf6 Rxf6 Nxf6 Bxb6 Nxd5 Rxe4 Nxb6 Rb4 Nd5
    28/53-	00:40	  1,150,886k	30,751k	+0.47	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Rac1 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Rxc6 Bxb2 Rh6 Qf6 Rxf6 Nxf6 Bc4 Rc8 Bb3 Bc3 Rg1 Kf7
    28/53+	00:41	  1,189,782k	30,768k	+0.63	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Rac1 Bxd5 exd5 Rd6 Rc6 Rf5 Qc2 Rh5 h3 g3 fxg3 Qxg3 Rd1 e4 Qh2
    28/53+	00:48	  1,420,804k	30,968k	+0.99	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Kf7 Qb4 Rh8 Rac1 Rd6 Rxc8 Rxc8 Nxb6 Rcd8 Nc4 Re6 Kg1 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Ne3
    28/55	01:04	  1,894,820k	30,837k	+1.14	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Qxf2 Qxe4+ Rxe4 Rxf2 Be3 Rc2 Bxb6 Rxc8 Rb4 axb6 Rxb6 e4 Rd1 d4 Rb7 Rc2 a4 d3
    29/55+	01:10	  2,093,507k	30,704k	+1.21	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 Qxb7
    29/55-	01:12	  2,156,975k	30,700k	+1.14	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 Qxe5 R6f7 Qg3 Qxg3+ hxg3 Bxa1 bxc6 Bc8 Nb5 Be5 Bh6 Re8 Nxa7 Bxg3 e5 Bf4 Bxf4 Rxf4 c7 Kf7 Nxc8 Rxc8 d6 exd6
    29/55+	01:18	  2,327,665k	30,629k	+1.21	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb2 Nf6 Qb7 Kh8 Rb2 a5 Qe7 Rce8 Qb7 Qh7 Bd3 g3 Rc2
    29/55	01:22	  2,440,689k	30,598k	+1.28	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Be3 Rxc8 Bxb6 axb6 Rxf2 e3 Re2 Bh6 Rd1 Rc6 Kg2 Nf6 Rb2 Kh7 h4 Kg6
    30/55-	01:22	  2,449,450k	30,609k	+1.21	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Be3 Rxc8 Bxb6 axb6 Rxf2 e3 Re2 Rb8
    30/55	01:31	  2,704,436k	30,507k	+1.19	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Be3 Rxc8 Bxb6 axb6 Rxf2 e3 Re2 Bh6 Rd1 Rc6 Rd8+ Kf7 Rd7+ Kg6 Re7 Nf6 Rxe5 Ng4 Rb5
    31/55	01:37	  2,896,577k	30,416k	+1.12	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Be3 Rxc8 Bxb6 axb6 Rxf2 e3 Re2 Bh6 Rd1
    32/55+	01:50	  3,276,206k	30,295k	+1.19	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Bg4
    32/55+	02:04	  3,677,132k	30,224k	+1.26	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Be3 d4 Bc4+ Kh8 Rac1
    32/58+	02:20	  4,154,317k	30,196k	+1.37	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Be3 d4 Bc4+ Kh8 Rg1 dxe3 fxe3 g3 Rxg3 f2 Qd2
    32/58-	02:23	  4,259,852k	30,201k	+1.28	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2
    32/58	02:26	  4,336,530k	30,208k	+1.37	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qd2 d4 a4 Rxb7 a5 Kh8 Ra2 Rb1 Qd3 Rxc1 Rxc1 Bh6 Rc7 Bf4 h3 Ng5 Qa3 Rg8 Qe7 Qh6 Rac2
    33/62+	03:09	  5,615,272k	30,007k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Qa2 Kg7 Bc4 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5 h3 gxh3 Rb1
    33/62+	03:35	  6,384,407k	29,957k	+1.51	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Kg1 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5 Bc4 Bf4 Bd3
    33/62-	03:45	  6,692,187k	29,982k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1
    33/62	03:48	  6,763,113k	29,967k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Ba3 Rfb8 Bd6 Rd8 Qc5 Ng5 Bxe5 Nxe4 Bg3 Qh6 Qc2 Nxg3+ fxg3 Be5 Rab1 Rh7 Qf2 Rc7
    34/62+	03:55	  6,982,307k	29,944k	+1.51	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Ba3 Rfb8 Bd6 Rd8 Qc5 Ng5 Bxe5 Nxe4 Bg3 Qh6 Qc2 Nxg3+ fxg3 Kh8 Bd3
    34/64-	04:04	  7,243,389k	29,902k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qd2
    34/64+	04:05	  7,266,467k	29,905k	+1.51	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 Qb1
    34/64-	04:13	  7,498,327k	29,925k	+1.42	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2
    34/64	04:13	  7,505,632k	29,922k	+1.42	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Rd1 Ng5 Qc2 Kg7 Qc7+ Rf7 Qc2 Qh5 a5 Bd8 Qb1 g3 fxg3
    35/64+	04:38	  8,240,272k	29,875k	+1.49	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Rd1 Ng5 Qa1
    35/64+	05:11	  9,211,138k	29,825k	+1.56	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Rd1 Kg7 Qb7+ Rf7 Qc8 Ng5 Qf5 g3 fxg3 Qxe4 Bd3 Qxf5 Bxf5 e4 Bxg5 e3 Bxf6+ Kxf6 Bc8
    35/64-	05:22	  9,517,990k	29,799k	+1.49	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Rd1 Kg7 Qb7+ Rf7 Qc8 Ng5 Qc2 Qh5 a5 Bd8 Qb1 Bxa5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qa2 Bb4 Qe6 Bc3 Bc4 Rc7 Qg8+
    35/64	05:27	  9,668,880k	29,800k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Ba3 Rfb8 Bd6 Rd8 Qc5 Ng5 Bxe5 Nxe4 Bg3 Qh7 Qc4+ Kh8 Bd3 Nxg3+ fxg3 Qh6 Rab1 Rxb1 Rxb1 Qe3 Qb5 Be5 Rf1
    35/64+	05:52	 10,401,672k	29,780k	+1.44	Rg6
    35/64+	06:19	 11,164,775k	29,647k	+1.58	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Qxb5 bxc5 Qb3 g3 hxg3 Qg4 Re3 Rh6 Qxb7 Qh3 Nxe6
    35/69+	07:29	 13,203,473k	29,545k	+1.78	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 Na7 Rh6 Qxb7
    35/69+	08:05	 14,221,148k	29,486k	+2.05	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 Na7 Rh6 Red1
    35/69+	08:48	 15,452,056k	29,414k	+2.41	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 Na7 Qh4 Kh1
    35/69+	10:16	 17,992,782k	29,295k	+2.88	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 Na7 Qh4 Qd2 Rh6 Nc6
    35/69+	12:02	 21,002,659k	29,189k	+3.49	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 d7 Rh6 d8Q Qxd8 Kh1
    35/76+	16:16	 28,608,257k	29,385k	+4.26	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 d7 Rh6 d8Q Qxd8 Nc3 Qh4 h3
    35/77+	25:33	 45,585,112k	29,776k	+5.25	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 d7 Qh4 d8Q Rxd8 Nc3 Rh6 Rad1
    35/79+	37:26	 66,634,984k	29,698k	+6.50	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 cxb6 Qh4 Kh1 Rh6 h3 Rh5 Kh2 gxh3 Bc4 Qf4+ Kh1 Qg4 Bf1 Rg5 Na6
   2019-01-01 18:41:49, Time for this analysis: 01:00:00, Rated time: 3:00:00
The move g3 is supposed to be best, but I have been unable to tease that solution out of any chess engine, even at long time control.
Strange thing too, because that looks like a natural and simple win.
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Re: Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by Hai » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:11 am

muxecoid wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:07 am
Out of 8 top engines most are free. Strongest engine is free. Every move found by Houdini will also be found by either Stockfish, Ethereal, Andscacs or Leela. So who are the people who still pay?
I pay for lot of engines.
I pay indirectly for Stockfish donating my cpu power and also I pay indirectly for Leela bought an RTX 2080 Ti and donating my gpu power :D

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Re: Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by Marek Soszynski » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:03 am

Dann Corbit wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:18 pm
The move g3 is supposed to be best, but I have been unable to tease that solution out of any chess engine, even at long time control.
Strange thing too, because that looks like a natural and simple win.
Try Critter.
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Re: Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by JohnW » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:48 pm

Dann Corbit wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:18 pm
I buy the top commercial engines.

For instance, Shredder found an interesting alternative here:

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 3 Qxh4;                
    Searching move: Qh5xh4
    Best move (DeepShredder13Linuxx64): Rf6-g6
    Not found in: 1:00:00
     2/2	00:02	          49	2k	-1.36	Qxh4 Qxe5
     3/5	00:02	         113	4k	-2.64	Qxh4 Qxe5 Bc8 Qxe7
     3/8	00:02	         231	8k	-1.26	Rc8 d6 exd6
     4/8-	00:02	         353	12k	-1.51	Rc8 c6 g3
     4/8-	00:02	         414	14k	-1.51	Rc8 c6 g3
     4/8-	00:02	         545	18k	-1.87	Rc8 c6 g3
     4/8-	00:02	         644	20k	-1.98	Rc8 c6 Rxc7 cxd7
     4/8+	00:02	         689	22k	-1.80	Bc8
     4/8	00:02	         762	24k	-1.70	Bc8 c6 Qxh4 Qxe5
     5/8-	00:02	         892	27k	-1.89	Bc8 a4 Bh8
     5/8-	00:02	          1k	30k	-1.89	Bc8 a4 Bh8
     5/9-	00:02	          1k	34k	-1.99	Bc8 a4 Kh8 a5
     5/9+	00:02	          1k	35k	-1.82	Rc8
     5/9+	00:02	          1k	36k	-1.35	Rc8 Qb3
     5/9	00:02	          1k	38k	-1.25	Rc8 c6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rxd7
     6/9-	00:02	          1k	40k	-1.37	Rc8 c6 Kf8
     6/9-	00:02	          2k	62k	-1.45	Rc8 c6 bxc6
     6/9	00:02	          4k	107k	-1.53	Rc8 c6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rxd7 Be3
     7/13	00:02	         19k	484k	-1.51	Rc8 c6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rf8 b6 Rxd7
     8/20	00:02	        125k	2,710k	-1.50	Rc8 Bc4 Kf8 d6 exd6 b6 axb6 Qxb6
     9/20-	00:02	        214k	4,360k	-1.58	Rc8 Bc4 Rf7
     9/20+	00:02	        318k	5,483k	-1.50	Rc8 Bc4 Kf8 b6
     9/20-	00:02	        327k	5,642k	-1.58	Rc8 Bc4 Rcf8
     9/20+	00:02	        367k	6,123k	-1.46	Rc8 Bc4 Kh8 b6
     9/20+	00:02	        401k	6,474k	-1.25	Rc8 d6
     9/20-	00:02	        405k	6,531k	-1.64	Rc8 Bc4 Bxb5
     9/20	00:02	        439k	6,865k	-1.43	Rc8 Bc4 Kf8 d6 exd6 cxd6 Bh6 b6 axb6 Bxh6+ Rxh6
    10/20+	00:02	        703k	9,128k	-1.36	Rc8 d6
    10/20-	00:02	        705k	9,038k	-1.50	Rc8 Bc4 Qxh4 c6 g3
    10/20-	00:02	        909k	10,574k	-1.54	Rc8 Bc4 Bh8
    10/20	00:02	      1,024k	11,379k	-1.53	Rc8 Bc4 Kh8 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rf8 d6 Rxd7
    11/20	00:02	      1,316k	12,535k	-1.56	Rc8 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Rxc7 cxd7 Rxd7 Be3 Rf8 Bb5 Rb7
    11/20+	00:02	      1,434k	12,922k	-1.56	Qxh4
    12/24-	00:02	      1,914k	14,610k	-1.63	Rc8 c6 a6
    12/25-	00:02	      2,177k	14,909k	-1.70	Rc8 c6 Rxc7
    12/25+	00:02	      2,195k	14,929k	-1.70	Qxh4
    12/25-	00:02	      2,812k	15,624k	-1.81	Rc8 c6 Rxc7
    12/25+	00:02	      2,816k	15,642k	-1.70	Qxh4
    12/25+	00:02	      2,867k	15,666k	-1.63	Qxh4 Rd1
    12/25+	00:02	      3,119k	16,080k	-1.48	Qxh4 c6 Bc8 Be3 bxc6 Bxa7
    12/25-	00:02	      3,129k	16,047k	-1.62	Qxh4 c6 b6
    12/25	00:02	      3,462k	16,566k	-1.73	Qxh4 c6 Bc8 cxb7 Bxb7 Ne6 Rxe6 dxe6 Nf6 Qb4 Nh5 Be3 Nf4 Kh1 Bc8 Bc4 Qh3 Rg1
    13/25-	00:03	      3,705k	16,842k	-1.80	Qxh4 c6 bxc6
    13/25+	00:03	      4,100k	16,668k	-1.73	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6
    13/25+	00:03	      4,325k	16,893k	-1.62	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Kh1
    13/25+	00:03	      4,722k	17,232k	-1.48	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Nb5 Rg6 d6
    13/25+	00:03	      5,237k	17,399k	-1.27	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Nb5 Rg6 Be3 Ng5 Rad1
    13/27	00:03	      5,933k	17,657k	-1.19	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Bc4 Kh8 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Rg6 Be3 g3 fxg3 Qxe4
    14/27-	00:03	      6,382k	17,825k	-1.26	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qb4 e6
    14/27-	00:03	      6,660k	17,761k	-1.33	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qb4 Rg6
    14/27-	00:03	      6,818k	17,708k	-1.43	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qc2 Qh3
    14/28+	00:03	      7,813k	18,647k	-1.34	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qc2 Rg6 Rd1 Ng5 Qc4+ e6 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qc2
    14/28+	00:03	      8,715k	19,629k	-1.14	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qc2 Rg6 Be3
    14/28	00:03	      9,034k	19,942k	-1.19	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 Kh1 e6 Nb4 Bf6 Nd3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Rac1 Rd8 Qb4
    15/28	00:03	     10,208k	21,048k	-1.25	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 Rd1 e6 b6 axb6 Nxb6 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qb4 Qh6 Qd6
    16/28	00:03	     10,984k	21,329k	-1.27	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 Rd1 e6 b6 axb6 Nxb6 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qb4
    17/28-	00:03	     12,430k	22,197k	-1.34	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 b6 axb6 Nxb6 Ng5
    17/28+	00:03	     13,602k	22,707k	-1.33	Rg6
    17/30	00:03	     17,270k	24,290k	-1.35	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 R6f7 b6 axb6 Nxb6 e6 Rd1 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qb4 Qf4 Qd6 Qxe4 a4
    18/30+	00:03	     19,580k	25,071k	-1.28	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 fxg3
    18/31+	00:03	     21,387k	25,491k	-1.21	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 fxg3
    18/31+	00:03	     24,860k	26,335k	-1.10	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 fxg3
    18/32+	00:03	     29,500k	27,214k	-0.95	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 hxg3 Rxg3+ fxg3 Qxg3+ Kh1 Qh4+ Bh3 Qxe1+ Bf1 Qxf1+ Kh2 Qxb5 Qxa7
    18/33+	00:04	     35,651k	28,072k	-0.75	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 Qxf3+
    18/35+	00:04	     56,513k	29,573k	-0.12	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Qa3 g3 Nxe7+ Kf7 Qxf3+
    18/35	00:05	     70,391k	30,250k	-0.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qd2 Rd8 Qc2 Nf6 exd5 Rxb7 Rxe5 Nxd5 Bg5
    19/35-	00:05	     70,936k	30,250k	-0.11	Qxh4 c6 Bh8
    19/35+	00:05	     74,829k	30,418k	-0.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Bc4 Kh8 Be3
    19/38	00:05	     84,835k	30,827k	 -0.00	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Bc4+ e6 Rd1 Qh3 Bf1 Qh4 Rd6 Rg6 Qb3 g3 hxg3 Rxg3+ fxg3 Qxg3+ Kh1 Qh4+ Kg1 Qg3+
    20/38	00:05	     89,087k	30,944k	 -0.00	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Qb3+ e6 Rd1 Rg6 Rd7 Bxd7 cxd7 g3 hxg3 Rxg3+ fxg3 Qxg3+ Kh1 Qh4+ Kg1 Qg3+
    21/38+	00:06	    111,148k	31,345k	+0.07	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Bc4+ Kh8 Nd5 Rg6 Be3 e6 b6 exd5 b7 dxc4 b8Q Qh3 Q2xe5
    21/39	00:06	    124,459k	31,669k	+0.02	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 d6 Rxd6 Nb5 Rxc6 Nxa7 Rd6 Nxc8 Rxc8 Qb7 Rf8 Rd1 Rxd1 Qb3+ Kh8 Qxd1 Nf6 Qc2 Qh7 Bg5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Qc5 g3 fxg3 Nxe4 Qxe5+ Qf6
    22/39+	00:07	    146,639k	31,761k	+0.09	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 d6 Rxd6 Nb5 Rxc6 Be3
    22/39-	00:07	    149,929k	31,711k	+0.02	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 d6 Rxd6 Nb5 Rxc6 Nxa7 Rd6 Nxc8 Rxc8 a4 Rdc6 Ra2 Kf8 a5 Qh5
    22/39+	00:07	    152,261k	31,761k	+0.09	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 Bc4
    22/39+	00:08	    186,285k	31,942k	+0.24	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Bc8 d6 Rxd6 Nb5 Rh6 Bxh6 Bxh6 Qxe5 Bf4 Bc4+ e6 Bxe6+ Bxe6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qd5
    22/42-	00:09	    208,140k	32,031k	+0.12	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Kh1 Rg6 a4
    22/42+	00:10	    236,758k	31,934k	+0.28	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Kh1 e6 a4 Ng5 Qxe5 Rg6 Bxg5 Rxg5 Qg3 Qxg3 hxg3 Be5 Na8 Bxg3 Kg1 Rh5 Re3
    22/42+	00:12	    305,794k	31,675k	+0.64	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 a4 Rg6 Kh1 Ng5 Bxg5 Rxg5 Nd5 Rh5 h3 gxh3 Bc4 e6 b6 axb6 Bd3
    22/42-	00:14	    357,139k	31,630k	+0.35	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 b6
    22/53+	00:16	    434,487k	31,555k	+0.73	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Qb4 Bxd5 exd5 Rh6 Bxh6 Bxh6 Re4 Bf4 Rxf4 exf4 d6 exd6 Kg1 Ng5 Re1 d5 Qd4 Rd8 Qxb6 Ne4 Qd4
    22/53	00:19	    511,079k	31,381k	+1.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Kg1 d4 a4 Kh8 Ba3 Rd8 Rab1 d3 Bxd3 Rxb1 Rxb1 Bh6 Bc4 Bf4
    23/53-	00:20	    542,507k	31,343k	+0.96	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 g3 fxg3 Rxg3 Qf2 Rg4 Qxh4 Rxh4 Ba3 Rc8 Ba6 Rxh2+
    23/53-	00:20	    542,957k	31,338k	+0.89	Qxh4 c6 Rg6
    23/53	00:20	    551,959k	31,253k	+0.83	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ba6 Rb4 Qc5 Rb6 Bc4+ Kh8
    24/53-	00:20	    553,932k	31,255k	+0.76	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ba6 Rb4 Rg1 Bh6
    24/53+	00:21	    581,916k	31,264k	+0.83	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 cxd7 g3 fxg3 Rxg3+ hxg3 Qxg3+ Kh1 f2 Qxf2 Qxf2 Be3 Qh4+ Kg1 Qg4+ Bg2 Qxd7 Rac1 Qg4 Rf1 Ng5 b6
    24/53-	00:21	    582,085k	31,265k	+0.76	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Qh5
    24/53-	00:21	    583,680k	31,296k	+0.62	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 g3 fxg3 f2
    24/53-	00:21	    586,622k	31,287k	+0.41	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 g3 fxg3 Rxg3 Qf2 Rg4 Qxh4 Rxh4 Ba3 Ra8
    24/53-	00:21	    597,915k	31,286k	+0.14	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 g3 fxg3 Rxg3 Qf2 Rg4 Qxh4 Rxh4 Ba3 Rc8 Ba6 Rg4
    24/53+	00:23	    643,469k	31,214k	+0.35	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 d4 Ba6 Ng5 c8Q Bxc8 a8Q Rh6 Be3
    24/53+	00:24	    669,837k	31,276k	+0.82	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 bxa7 Be6 c7 d4 Ba6 Ng5 c8Q Bxc8 a8Q Rh6 Kg1
    24/53	00:27	    765,693k	31,155k	+0.95	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb3+ Kh8 Bd2 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qe6 Rc7 Bd3 Kh7 Qd5 Qf4 Rb7 Rxb7 Qxb7
    25/53+	00:29	    821,604k	31,079k	+1.02	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 h3
    25/53	00:30	    876,713k	31,054k	+1.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb3+ Kh8 Bd2 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qe6 Rc7 Bd3 Kh7 Qd5 Rff7 Qe6 Qg6
    26/53-	00:31	    878,523k	31,055k	+0.96	Qxh4 c6 g3
    26/53+	00:32	    920,930k	31,029k	+1.03	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 Rg6 Kh1 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb3+ Kh8 Bd2 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qb2
    26/53-	00:33	    951,051k	30,995k	+0.96	Qxh4 c6 Rg6
    26/53	00:33	    952,842k	30,998k	+0.89	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb3+ Kh8 Bd2 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5
    27/53	00:35	    996,077k	31,002k	+0.89	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Bd2 Rfc8 Qd3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Rab1 Rxb1 Rxb1
    28/53-	00:35	  1,001,264k	30,974k	+0.82	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Bd2 Rfc8 Qd3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Rab1 Rxb1 Rxb1 Qh6
    28/53+	00:38	  1,099,425k	30,774k	+0.89	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Bd2 Ng5
    28/53-	00:39	  1,134,479k	30,767k	+0.82	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Rac1 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Rxc6 Bxb2 Rh6 Qf6 Rxf6 Nxf6 Bxb6 Nxd5 Rxe4 Nxb6 Rb4 g3 hxg3 e6 Rxb6 Rf5
    28/53-	00:39	  1,141,401k	30,775k	+0.67	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Rac1 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Rxc6 Bxb2 Rh6 Qf6 Rxf6 Nxf6 Bxb6 Nxd5 Rxe4 Nxb6 Rb4 Nd5
    28/53-	00:40	  1,150,886k	30,751k	+0.47	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Rac1 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Rxc6 Bxb2 Rh6 Qf6 Rxf6 Nxf6 Bc4 Rc8 Bb3 Bc3 Rg1 Kf7
    28/53+	00:41	  1,189,782k	30,768k	+0.63	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Be6 Rac1 Bxd5 exd5 Rd6 Rc6 Rf5 Qc2 Rh5 h3 g3 fxg3 Qxg3 Rd1 e4 Qh2
    28/53+	00:48	  1,420,804k	30,968k	+0.99	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 b6 axb6 Nd5 Rxc6 Be3 Kf7 Qb4 Rh8 Rac1 Rd6 Rxc8 Rxc8 Nxb6 Rcd8 Nc4 Re6 Kg1 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Ne3
    28/55	01:04	  1,894,820k	30,837k	+1.14	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Qxf2 Qxe4+ Rxe4 Rxf2 Be3 Rc2 Bxb6 Rxc8 Rb4 axb6 Rxb6 e4 Rd1 d4 Rb7 Rc2 a4 d3
    29/55+	01:10	  2,093,507k	30,704k	+1.21	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 dxc6 Rg6 Kh1 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 Qxb7
    29/55-	01:12	  2,156,975k	30,700k	+1.14	Qxh4 c6 bxc6 Qxe5 R6f7 Qg3 Qxg3+ hxg3 Bxa1 bxc6 Bc8 Nb5 Be5 Bh6 Re8 Nxa7 Bxg3 e5 Bf4 Bxf4 Rxf4 c7 Kf7 Nxc8 Rxc8 d6 exd6
    29/55+	01:18	  2,327,665k	30,629k	+1.21	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Kg1 Rbb8 Rb1 Rbc8 Qb2 Nf6 Qb7 Kh8 Rb2 a5 Qe7 Rce8 Qb7 Qh7 Bd3 g3 Rc2
    29/55	01:22	  2,440,689k	30,598k	+1.28	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Be3 Rxc8 Bxb6 axb6 Rxf2 e3 Re2 Bh6 Rd1 Rc6 Kg2 Nf6 Rb2 Kh7 h4 Kg6
    30/55-	01:22	  2,449,450k	30,609k	+1.21	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Be3 Rxc8 Bxb6 axb6 Rxf2 e3 Re2 Rb8
    30/55	01:31	  2,704,436k	30,507k	+1.19	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Be3 Rxc8 Bxb6 axb6 Rxf2 e3 Re2 Bh6 Rd1 Rc6 Rd8+ Kf7 Rd7+ Kg6 Re7 Nf6 Rxe5 Ng4 Rb5
    31/55	01:37	  2,896,577k	30,416k	+1.12	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Be3 Rxc8 Bxb6 axb6 Rxf2 e3 Re2 Bh6 Rd1
    32/55+	01:50	  3,276,206k	30,295k	+1.19	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Ba6 Rb6 Bc8 g3 fxg3 f2 Rf1 Qxe4+ Qxe4 dxe4 Bg4
    32/55+	02:04	  3,677,132k	30,224k	+1.26	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Be3 d4 Bc4+ Kh8 Rac1
    32/58+	02:20	  4,154,317k	30,196k	+1.37	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Be3 d4 Bc4+ Kh8 Rg1 dxe3 fxe3 g3 Rxg3 f2 Qd2
    32/58-	02:23	  4,259,852k	30,201k	+1.28	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2
    32/58	02:26	  4,336,530k	30,208k	+1.37	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qd2 d4 a4 Rxb7 a5 Kh8 Ra2 Rb1 Qd3 Rxc1 Rxc1 Bh6 Rc7 Bf4 h3 Ng5 Qa3 Rg8 Qe7 Qh6 Rac2
    33/62+	03:09	  5,615,272k	30,007k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Qa2 Kg7 Bc4 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5 h3 gxh3 Rb1
    33/62+	03:35	  6,384,407k	29,957k	+1.51	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Kg1 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5 Bc4 Bf4 Bd3
    33/62-	03:45	  6,692,187k	29,982k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1
    33/62	03:48	  6,763,113k	29,967k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Ba3 Rfb8 Bd6 Rd8 Qc5 Ng5 Bxe5 Nxe4 Bg3 Qh6 Qc2 Nxg3+ fxg3 Be5 Rab1 Rh7 Qf2 Rc7
    34/62+	03:55	  6,982,307k	29,944k	+1.51	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Ba3 Rfb8 Bd6 Rd8 Qc5 Ng5 Bxe5 Nxe4 Bg3 Qh6 Qc2 Nxg3+ fxg3 Kh8 Bd3
    34/64-	04:04	  7,243,389k	29,902k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qd2
    34/64+	04:05	  7,266,467k	29,905k	+1.51	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 Qb1
    34/64-	04:13	  7,498,327k	29,925k	+1.42	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2
    34/64	04:13	  7,505,632k	29,922k	+1.42	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Rd1 Ng5 Qc2 Kg7 Qc7+ Rf7 Qc2 Qh5 a5 Bd8 Qb1 g3 fxg3
    35/64+	04:38	  8,240,272k	29,875k	+1.49	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Rd1 Ng5 Qa1
    35/64+	05:11	  9,211,138k	29,825k	+1.56	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Rd1 Kg7 Qb7+ Rf7 Qc8 Ng5 Qf5 g3 fxg3 Qxe4 Bd3 Qxf5 Bxf5 e4 Bxg5 e3 Bxf6+ Kxf6 Bc8
    35/64-	05:22	  9,517,990k	29,799k	+1.49	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 a4 d4 Ra2 Kh8 Rb2 Rxb2 Qxb2 Bf6 Rd1 Kg7 Qb7+ Rf7 Qc8 Ng5 Qc2 Qh5 a5 Bd8 Qb1 Bxa5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Qa2 Bb4 Qe6 Bc3 Bc4 Rc7 Qg8+
    35/64	05:27	  9,668,880k	29,800k	+1.44	Qxh4 c6 Rg6 Kh1 bxc6 dxc6 Bc8 Nd5 e6 b6 exd5 b7 Bxb7 cxb7 Rb6 Qc2 Rxb7 Rd1 d4 Ba3 Rfb8 Bd6 Rd8 Qc5 Ng5 Bxe5 Nxe4 Bg3 Qh7 Qc4+ Kh8 Bd3 Nxg3+ fxg3 Qh6 Rab1 Rxb1 Rxb1 Qe3 Qb5 Be5 Rf1
    35/64+	05:52	 10,401,672k	29,780k	+1.44	Rg6
    35/64+	06:19	 11,164,775k	29,647k	+1.58	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Qxb5 bxc5 Qb3 g3 hxg3 Qg4 Re3 Rh6 Qxb7 Qh3 Nxe6
    35/69+	07:29	 13,203,473k	29,545k	+1.78	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 Na7 Rh6 Qxb7
    35/69+	08:05	 14,221,148k	29,486k	+2.05	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 Na7 Rh6 Red1
    35/69+	08:48	 15,452,056k	29,414k	+2.41	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 Na7 Qh4 Kh1
    35/69+	10:16	 17,992,782k	29,295k	+2.88	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 Na7 Qh4 Qd2 Rh6 Nc6
    35/69+	12:02	 21,002,659k	29,189k	+3.49	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 d7 Rh6 d8Q Qxd8 Kh1
    35/76+	16:16	 28,608,257k	29,385k	+4.26	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 d7 Rh6 d8Q Qxd8 Nc3 Qh4 h3
    35/77+	25:33	 45,585,112k	29,776k	+5.25	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 bxc5 d7 Qh4 d8Q Rxd8 Nc3 Rh6 Rad1
    35/79+	37:26	 66,634,984k	29,698k	+6.50	Rg6 d6 e6 b6 axb6 Bg5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 cxb6 Qh4 Kh1 Rh6 h3 Rh5 Kh2 gxh3 Bc4 Qf4+ Kh1 Qg4 Bf1 Rg5 Na6
   2019-01-01 18:41:49, Time for this analysis: 01:00:00, Rated time: 3:00:00
The move g3 is supposed to be best, but I have been unable to tease that solution out of any chess engine, even at long time control.
Strange thing too, because that looks like a natural and simple win.
Komodo 12.3 found g3 in about 4 minutes on my PC..

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Re: Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:45 pm

JohnW wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:48 pm
Komodo 12.3 found g3 in about 4 minutes on my PC..
What was the depth and the score?
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Re: Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by Ras » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:00 pm

I like the Shredder GUI so much that I would already pay for that alone.
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Re: Who pays for chess engines today?

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:10 pm

Ras wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:00 pm
I like the Shredder GUI so much that I would already pay for that alone.
I have Shredder, but I am not wild about the GUI on Linux (done in Java).
The Shredder Windows GUI is a lot better. Or it was the last time I bought a Windows version.
The Linux version is missing functionality like EPD processing.
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