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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:47 pm
by Leo
You remind me of the guy crying "look, its a wolf!" so many times and the wolf is not there that I don't beleive it anymore.
Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:57 pm
by Leo
Is SF using a book?
Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:17 pm
by Leo
I must admit LCO is doing well. If it keeps learning it could be very strong.
Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:37 pm
by Leo
corres wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:58 pm
Nay Lin Tun wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:50 pm
So far, so good! The results are more and more in favour of LCO.
(Correction, SF is on 24 threads, 12 cores)
13.5vs 11.5, Elo difference +28 elo +/- 140 elo error bar.
The results reflect the difference in the power of hardware too.
Moreover the short time control is favorable for Leela.
12 cores in not that much.
Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:58 pm
by jmartus
Way more then what most people have.
Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:38 am
by Leo
jmartus wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:58 pm
Way more then what most people have.
Agreed but if LCZ is going to be crowned the best chess engine than it has to beat SF on 44 cores in my opinion.
Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:24 am
by Alexander Schmidt
Leo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:38 am
jmartus wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:58 pm
Way more then what most people have.
Agreed but if LCZ is going to be crowned the best chess engine than it has to beat SF on 44 cores in my opinion.
Just a question of time. And soon there will be a lot of new engines using the neural nets without Leelas Zero approach. Maybe Stockfish will come back, maybe new Engines with new ideas will come up.
I guess they will surpass Leela quite fast and computerchess in general will make a very huge step.
Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:07 pm
by mclane
Hardware is not the way to go.
Programmers should invest more time in software instead of excessively perverting hardware usage.
Chess is not about hardware. It's about understanding chess.
Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:42 pm
by corres
mclane wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:07 pm
Hardware is not the way to go.
Programmers should invest more time in software instead of excessively perverting hardware usage.
Chess is not about hardware. It's about understanding chess.
Du you use a Pentium 66 up to now?
Or even a 286?
Re: " End of an Era" is coming?
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:48 pm
by mclane
very funny.
i do use several computers but my major concern is that the programmers rely too much on todays hardware.
yes i once had a 286-16 mhz.
and my xt before was even slower.
and my home computers before that even slower.
what is the sense of million of million of NPS when these positions are completely irrelevant ?
they are wasted energy.
i am used to observe computerchess hardware that uses software running on 1 mhz machines.
today the machines are faster. but are they more intelligent then the software running on 1 mhz ?