" End of an Era" is coming?

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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by Leo » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:22 pm

Maybe you meant the end of 2018. Do we still have to worry about Y2K and all the disasters it might cause :P ?
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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by duncan » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:44 pm

mclane wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:48 pm

what is the sense of million of million of NPS when these positions are completely irrelevant ?
they are wasted energy.
Branching factor has gone down a lot the past 20 years which means less wasted nodes. That is software development for you.

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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by duncan » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:46 pm

mclane wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:08 pm
todays cars have computers and can easily be manipulated.
old cars had no computer and are running no matter what you do.
Old cars had no computer controlled air bags, so more likely to kill you. Better a new-fashioned life than an old-fashioned death.

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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:47 pm

Leo wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:38 pm
jmartus wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:58 pm
Way more then what most people have.
Agreed but if LCZ is going to be crowned the best chess engine than it has to beat SF on 44 cores in my opinion.
Leela's is currently No 2 in TCEC now. (Komodo's score could be -1 point due to 2 games of KMCTS crush only against Komodo).

It is small sample size but SF and Leela could be in this TCEC final.
And new net that is used in bonus game is +30 elo above this net in TCEC.
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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by mclane » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:02 pm

duncan wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:46 pm
mclane wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:08 pm
todays cars have computers and can easily be manipulated.
old cars had no computer and are running no matter what you do.
Old cars had no computer controlled air bags, so more likely to kill you. Better a new-fashioned life than an old-fashioned death.
I am still alive. Old cars are IMO better.
They don’t need computers and can be repaired much easier.
All new stuff is doing is wasting resources.
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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by Robert Pope » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:34 pm

mclane wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:02 pm
duncan wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:46 pm
mclane wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:08 pm
todays cars have computers and can easily be manipulated.
old cars had no computer and are running no matter what you do.
Old cars had no computer controlled air bags, so more likely to kill you. Better a new-fashioned life than an old-fashioned death.
I am still alive. Old cars are IMO better.
They don’t need computers and can be repaired much easier.
All new stuff is doing is wasting resources.
Old cars are better because they don't need computers and can be repaired easier? By that kind of argument, tricycles are even better than old cars, and rags tied around your feet are the best.

I would disagree. Being easy to repair is a great feature, for sure, but there is a limit to how much you can improve things without making them more complicated. Just as there is a limit to how much information can be encoded into several thousand bytes.

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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by mclane » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:14 pm

A car with a bus system is not easy to repair.
A car completely relying on mechanics and electricity is much easier to repair then a computerised entity.
Today’s car mechanics rarely repair. They look into the computer which error message is saved and exchange parts. But this is not repairing. It’s being a slave of a stupid computer.

Computers are to stupid to find out about cars or malfunctions. And those guys who trust computers driving the highway are idiots .
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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by duncan » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:04 pm

mclane wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:14 pm


Computers are to stupid to find out about cars or malfunctions. And those guys who trust computers driving the highway are idiots .
Most car crash fatalities are due to human error. Would you not trust a computer to drive your car in the future if fatality rates and insurance rates went down 10 fold ?

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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by Leo » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:44 pm

LCZ is losing this match. Not the end of an era yet.
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Re: " End of an Era" is coming?

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:46 am

Leo wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:44 pm
LCZ is losing this match. Not the end of an era yet.
End of an era is getting closer!! Just one step away to fight the final boss!! :P :) :o

This is the current standing in Premier Division in TCEC, at the middle of tournment.

And the newer nets are getting stronger day by day, may be +30 to +50 elo.
And there is still final LR drop for leela training that may add additional +30 to +50 elo. :twisted: :roll: :wink:
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