End of Era is there: SF is finally beaten!

[Carlos777]

Why are people saying Houdini is the Champion when it is not in the Superfinal?

...My question is why LCZero is playing the superfinal, if Komodo was second in Premier Division? It should be Stockfish vs Komodo

Because the games against Komodo MCTS were cancelled at the end (according to TCEC rules, since MCTS crashed 3 times), and Lc0 benefited from that.

Thank you!

[Alexander Schmidt]

Lc0 takes the lead in the Superfinal.

[CMCanavessi]

Lc0 takes the lead in the Superfinal.

in style!

[M ANSARI]

Yes, that was a very nice game. Pushed a pawn very deep in enemy territory and it was like throwing a monkey wrench into an engine. SF finally did manage to get rid of the pawn but at a cost of a totally losing endgame. What was interesting was that BF (177 core SF) and Komodo on 128 cores ... never saw Lc0 winning plan till way after it was done.

In the reverse color game SF held a very good edge, and looked like Lc0 would get suffocated as it simply could not find the one tempo it needed to develop its Knight. But then a5! came and that developed the rook indirectly and gave very good counter play. Then Lc0 gave up a pawn and managed to push the game into a drawn endgame. A really high quality fighting game from both sides.

Here are both games

[pgn]1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. Nc3 g6 7. Bf4 Bg7 8. Qa4+ Bd7 9. Qb3 Qc7 10. e4 O-O 11. Nd2 Nh5 12. Be3 f5 13. exf5 Bxf5 14. h3 Bd7 15. Nde4 Kh8 16. Bc4 a6 17. a4 Bf5 18. Ng5 Qe7 19. O-O Nd7 20. Ne6 Bxe6 21. dxe6 Ne5 22. Bd5 Nc6 23. Rae1 Rab8 24. Ne4 Nf6 25. Bg5 Nb4 26. Nc3 h6 27. Bxf6 Rxf6 28. g3 Re8 29. h4 Rf5 30. Bg2 Bd4 31. Ne2 a5 32. Bh3 Re5 33. Nxd4 cxd4 34. Qc4 Nc6 35. Qd3 Qg7 36. Re4 Rc5 37. Kg2 Re7 38. Rfe1 Qf8 39. Rg4 Re5 40. Rf4 Qe8 41. Rc1 Rg7 42. Qb3 Qe7 43. Bg4 h5 44. Bf3 Nd8 45. Rc8 Kh7 46. Rxd4 Nxe6 47. Rd5 Nc5 48. Qd1 Rxd5 49. Qxd5 Qf6 50. Bxh5 Qf7 51. Qxf7 Rxf7 52. Bd1 Nd3 53. f4 Nxb2 54. Bc2 Kg7 55. Kf3 d5 56. Rc5 Rd7 57. g4 d4 58. Rb5 Nc4 59. Bd3 Rc7 60. h5 gxh5 61. Rxh5 Rc6 62. Rh7+ Kf8 63. Rxb7 Nd6 64. Ra7 Rc3 65. Ke2 Ra3 66. Rxa5 Ra2+ 67. Ke1 Ra1+ 68. Kd2 Ra2+ 69. Kc1 Ra3 70. Rd5 Nb7 71. Rxd4 Nc5 72. Bc2 Ne6 73. Rc4 Ng7 74. g5 Ne8 75. g6 Kg7 76. Kb2 Rh3 1-0 [/pgn]

[pgn]1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. Nc3 g6 7. Bf4 Bg7 8. Qa4+ Bd7 9. Qb3 Qc7 10. e4 O-O 11. Nd2 Nh5 12. Be3 f5 13. exf5 Bxf5 14. h3 Qe7 15. O-O-O Ng3 16. fxg3 Qxe3 17. g4 Bd7 18. Bc4 Bxc3 19. Qxc3 Qxc3+ 20. bxc3 Ba4 21. Bb3 Bxb3 22. axb3 a5 23. Rhe1 a4 24. bxa4 Rxa4 25. Re6 Nd7 26. Rxd6 Ne5 27. Rb6 Rd8 28. d6 Nf7 29. Kc2 Rxd6 30. Rxb7 Ra2+ 31. Rb2 Rxb2+ 32. Kxb2 h5 33. gxh5 gxh5 34. Kc2 Rg6 35. Rg1 Kg7 36. Kb3 Nd6 37. Nc4 Nf5 38. g4 hxg4 39. hxg4 Rg5 40. Kc2 Nh6 41. Nb2 Rxg4 42. Rxg4+ Nxg4 1/2-1/2 [/pgn]

[Nay Lin Tun]

Of Course End of An Era is coming in TCEC!!

Leela is leading SF on halfway of SUFi.

[Leo]

It looks like LZero has an Elo of about 3400. Stockfish has an Elo of about 3400 without a book. If you give Stockfish a very strong book it has an Elo of about 3530. Stephen Pohl has shown that. LZERO needs to gain 130 Elo points to draw even. If it gains more than that and keeps going it will be the strongest chess engine. As J. Paul Getty said, this is "As I See It".

[dkappe]

It looks like LZero has an Elo of about 3400. Stockfish has an Elo of about 3400 without a book. If you give Stockfish a very strong book it has an Elo of about 3530. Stephen Pohl has shown that. LZERO needs to gain 130 Elo points to draw even. If it gains more than that and keeps going it will be the strongest chess engine. As J. Paul Getty said, this is "As I See It".

Although I have participated in the Leela project, I’m agnostic as to which one is “better.” Your comment does strike me, however, as moving the goalposts.

[Nay Lin Tun]

It looks like LZero has an Elo of about 3400. Stockfish has an Elo of about 3400 without a book. If you give Stockfish a very strong book it has an Elo of about 3530. Stephen Pohl has shown that. LZERO needs to gain 130 Elo points to draw even. If it gains more than that and keeps going it will be the strongest chess engine. As J. Paul Getty said, this is "As I See It".

Totally non sense!!
Does +130 elo come from SF vs Leela or SF vs SF? If you give SF with brainfish book and Leela without book, they will still draw 95% in VLTC cos Leela without book will choose extremely safe lines, drawish lines.
Dont believe me? Check in cccc where Leela without book drew 39 out of 40 games.(97.5% draw rate).

[Leo]

It looks like LZero has an Elo of about 3400. Stockfish has an Elo of about 3400 without a book. If you give Stockfish a very strong book it has an Elo of about 3530. Stephen Pohl has shown that. LZERO needs to gain 130 Elo points to draw even. If it gains more than that and keeps going it will be the strongest chess engine. As J. Paul Getty said, this is "As I See It".

Totally non sense!!
Does +130 elo come from SF vs Leela or SF vs SF? If you give SF with brainfish book and Leela without book, they will still draw 95% in VLTC cos Leela without book will choose extremely safe lines, drawish lines.
Dont believe me? Check in cccc where Leela without book drew 39 out of 40 games.(97.5% draw rate).

I don't care at all about Leela without a book. It doesn't need a book. The cccc doesn't allow SF to use a strong book. What is LCZ afraid of? Man up and play SF with brainfish already.

[Alexander Schmidt]

It looks like LZero has an Elo of about 3400. Stockfish has an Elo of about 3400 without a book. If you give Stockfish a very strong book it has an Elo of about 3530. Stephen Pohl has shown that. LZERO needs to gain 130 Elo points to draw even. If it gains more than that and keeps going it will be the strongest chess engine. As J. Paul Getty said, this is "As I See It".

Totally non sense!!
Does +130 elo come from SF vs Leela or SF vs SF? If you give SF with brainfish book and Leela without book, they will still draw 95% in VLTC cos Leela without book will choose extremely safe lines, drawish lines.
Dont believe me? Check in cccc where Leela without book drew 39 out of 40 games.(97.5% draw rate).

I don't care at all about Leela without a book. It doesn't need a book. The cccc doesn't allow SF to use a strong book. What is LCZ afraid of? Man up and play SF with brainfish already.

I am quite sure Leela isn't afraid of anything.