Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

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If you have trouble reproducing my results at the same time control (23:30sec/pos) and thread count (11), with 16 GB hash, I also analyzed the full set you sent at 36 plies backwards and forwards twice, to load up the hash table before I started that run. That changes the analysis a lot.

Here is the current data with the live records from my database (some of the records have data from prior runs not connected with this analysis path because the searches were deeper. I put the deepest searches into the main table and send the older shallow searches or new searches not as deep into the alternate evals table).

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8/r3k3/P3P3/3P1n2/5p2/5r1p/1R6/R6K w - - acd 36; acs 925; bm Kh2; ce -1001; pm Kh2; pv Kh2 Kd6 Kh1 Ke5 e7 Nxe7 Ra5 Rd3 Re2+ Re3 Rd2 Kd6 Rb2 Nxd5 Rd2 Re5 Rd3 Rf5 Raa3 Kc5 Rd1 Kb4 Ra2 f3 Rf2 Rxa6 Rd3 Rh6 Kh2 Nf6 Rd4+ Kc3 Ra4 Kd3 Kg1 Nd5 Ra3+ Ke4 Ra4+ Ke5 Kh1 Rg6 Ra3 Ke4 Ra4+ Kd3 Ra1 Nc3 Ra3 Rg3 Rh2 Kc4 Rf2 Ne2 Rf1 Rg2; 
8/r3k3/P3P3/3P1n2/5p2/5Prp/1R6/R6K b - - acd 36; acs 273; bm Rxf3; c3 "Rxf3"; ce 1065; pm Rxf3; pv Rxf3 Kh2 Kd6 Kh1 Ke5 Kg1 Rd3 Re2+ Kd6 Rf2 f3 Kh2 Re3 e7 Kxe7 Ra4 Rd3 Rf4 Nd4 Rb2 Kd6 Rb7 Ra8 Rff7 Rh8 Rbd7+ Ke5 Rde7+ Kxd5 Rd7+ Kc5 Rc7+ Kb6 Rb7+ Kxa6 Ra7+ Kb5 Rab7+ Kc4 Rbc7+ Kd5 Rcd7+ Ke5 Rde7+ Ne6 Rb7 Rd2+ Kh1 f2 Rb1; 
8/r3k3/4P3/P2P1n2/5p2/5Prp/1R6/R6K w - - acd 36; acs 732; bm a6; c3 "a6"; ce -1001; pm a6; pv a6 Rxf3 Kh2 Kd6 e7 Nxe7 Ra5 Kd7 d6 Kxd6 Rh5 Nc6 Rd2+ Kc7 Rh7+ Kb6 Rb2+ Kxa6 Rh6 Rc7 Rd6 Ka7 Rb1 Ne5 Rd5 Ng4+ Kh1 Nf2+ Kh2 Ra3 Rd2 Ng4+ Kh1 f3 Rdb2 Re7 Rd2 Rg7 Rf1 Rf7 Rb1 Re7 Rdb2 Rc7 Rd2; 
8/r3k3/4P3/P2P1nr1/5p2/5P1p/1R6/R6K b - - acd 36; acs 664; bm Rg3; c3 "Rg3"; ce 1183; pm Rg3; pv Rg3 a6 Rxf3 Raa2 Kf6 Ra1 Ke5 e7 Nxe7 Ra5 Rd3 Re2+ Re3 Rd2 Kd6 Rb2 Nxd5 Rd2 Re5 Rd3 Rf5 Raa3 Kc5 Rd2 Ne3 Rc3+ Kb4 Rc8 f3 Rb2+ Ka3 Rf2 Kb3 Rc6 Ng4 Rf1 Kb2 Rc4 Ne5 Rh4 Rxa6 Kh2 Kc3 Rd1 Rg6 Kxh3 f2; 
8/r3k3/4P3/3P1nr1/P4p2/5P1p/1R6/R6K w - - acd 36; acs 617; bm a5; c3 "a5"; ce -1152; pm a5; pv a5 Rg3 a6 Rxf3 Ra4 Kf6 Ra1 Ke5 Kg1 Kxd5 Kh2 Ke5 e7 Nxe7 Ra5+ Kd6 Rh5 Nc6 Rd2+ Kc7 Rh7+ Kb6 Rb2+ Kxa6 Rh5 Rg7 Rh6 Rc7 Rg6 Ka7 Rg1 Ra3 Rc2 Rb3 Rc4 f3 Kh1 Kb7 Rf4 Ne5 Rf5 Re3; 
8/r3k3/4P3/3P1n1r/P4p2/5P1p/1R6/R6K b - - acd 36; acs 246; bm Rg5; c3 "Rg5"; ce 1193; pm Rg5; pv Rg5 a5 Rg3 a6 Rxf3 Raa2 Kf6 Rb1 Rd3 Rf2 Ke5 Ra2 Kxd5 Ra4 Rd4 e7 Nxe7 Raa1 Nf5 Rb8 f3 Ra5+ Ke4 Re8+ Kf4 Rf8 Kg3 Rg8+ Rg4 Re8 Nd6 Rd8 Ne4 Rh8 Rg6 Ra1 Nf2+ Kg1 Raxa6 Rb1 Ra2 Kf1 Ne4 Rc1; 
8/r3k3/1R2P3/3P1n1r/P4p2/5P1p/8/R6K w - - acd 36; acs 936; bm Rd1; c3 "Rb2"; ce -1163; pm Rd1; pv Rd1 Rxa4 d6+ Kf6 Rb2 Rh8 e7 Ke6 Rc2 Ra6 Re1+ Kd7 Rf2 Ne3 Rb2 Ra4 Rb6 Rd4 Rb5 Kxd6 Rh5 Rg8 Rg5 Re8 Rh5 Kxe7 Rh7+ Kf6 Rh6+ Ke5 Rh5+ Kd6 Rxh3 Rd2 Rh4 Ra2 Rh6+ Kd5 Rh5+ Kc4 Rh4 Kd3 Rh6 Rf2 Rh4 Rg8 Ra1 Rxf3 Ra3+ Ke4 Ra4+ Kf5 Ra5+ Kf6 Rh6+ Kg7 Rhh5 Rf1+ Kh2 Rd8; 
8/r3k3/1R1nP3/3P3r/P4p2/5P1p/8/R6K b - - acd 36; acs 440; bm Nf5; c3 "Nf5"; ce 1047; pm Nf5; pv Nf5 Rb2 Rg5 a5 Rg3 a6 Rxf3 Kh2 Kd6 e7 Nxe7 Rb6+ Kc5 Rb2 Nxd5 Ra5+ Kc4 Ra4+ Kc3 Rba2 Rf1 R2a3+ Kc2 Ra2+ Kd3 R2a3+ Nc3 Rb3 f3 Rb7 f2 Rf4 Rxa6 Rf3+ Ke4 Rbf7 Nd5 Rxh3 Raa1 Rh4+ Kd3 Rh6 Rh1+ Kg3 Rxh6; 
8/r3k3/1p1nP3/3P3r/PR3p2/5P1p/8/R6K w - - acd 36; acs 673; bm Kh2; c3 "Rxb6"; ce -693; pm Kh2; pv Kh2 Rxd5 Ra2 Ra8 Rxf4 Nf5 Rc2 Rh8 Re2 Nd4 Rb2 Rd6 Ra2 Kxe6 a5 Ke5 Re4+ Kf5 Re3 Kf4 Re4+ Kxf3 Re7 bxa5 Rxa5 Rb6 Ra2 Rb3 Rd2 Nf5 Rf7 Kg4 Rc7 Rf3 Ra2 Nd4 Rg7+ Kh4 Rg1 Rf4 Kh1 Nf3 Rf1 Re8 Raa1 Kg4; 
8/r3k3/1p2P3/3P3r/PRn2p2/5P1p/8/R6K b - - acd 36; acs 483; bm Nd6; c3 "Nd6"; ce 787; pm Nd6; pv Nd6 Kh2 Rxd5 Ra2 Ra8 Rxf4 Nf5 Rf2 Rh8 Re2 Nd4 Rf7+ Kd6 Rf2 Kxe6 Rf4 Rd6 Kh1 Nf5 Re4+ Kf6 Re1 Kg5 Kh2 Rd3 Re5 Kf6 Re4 Nd4 Rf4+ Ke6 Kh1 h2 Rf1 Nf5 Rg4 Rd2 Rg6+ Kf7 Rg5 Kf6 f4 Rh3 Ra1 Ng3+ Rxg3 Rxg3; 
8/r3k3/1p2P3/3P3r/P1n2p2/5P1p/1R6/R6K w - - acd 36; acs 491; bm Rb4; c3 "Rb4"; ce -827; pm Rb4; pv Rb4 Nd6 Rd1 Rc7 Rb2 Rc3 Rf2 Nf5 Kg1 Rh8 Kh2 Ne3 Rd4 Rc4 Rxc4 Nxc4 Rc2 Ne3 Rc7+ Kd6 Rc1 Nxd5 e7 Nxe7 Rb1 Nd5 Kh1 Rg8 Rd1 Ke6 Rd4 Rg3 Re4+ Kf5 Rd4 Ne3 Kh2 Nf1+ Kh1 Rxf3; 
8/r3k3/1p2P3/3P3r/P1B2p2/4nP1p/1R6/R6K b - - acd 36; acs 391; bm Nxc4; c3 "Nxc4"; ce 838; pm Nxc4; pv Nxc4 Rb4 Nd6 Rc1 Rxd5 Rxf4 Nf5 Kh2 Ra8 Rc2 Rh8 Re2 Nd4 Re1 Nxe6 Rfe4 Rd6 a5 bxa5 Re5 Ra6 Ra1 a4 Ra3 Kf6 Re4 Kf5 Rb4 Rd6 Rb5+ Kf6 Rb2 Rd4 Ra1 Kf5 Kg3 h2 Rh1 Rg8+ Kf2 a3 Rc2 Ra8 Ra2 Rd3 Rxh2 Nd4; 
8/r3k3/1p2P3/3P3r/P1b2p2/3BnP1p/1R6/R6K w - - acd 36; acs 344; bm Bxc4; c3 "Bxc4"; ce -864; pm Bxc4; pv Bxc4 Nxc4 Rb4 Nd6 Kh2 Rxd5 Rxf4 Nf5 Ra2 Ra8 Rb2 Rh8 Re2 Nd4 Re1 Nxe6 Rfe4 Rd6 Kh1 Kf6 Rb4 Nd4 Rd1 Rh4 Rd3 Rf4 Rd1 Ke5 Re1+ Kf5 Rd1 Rh4 Rf1 h2 f4 Rxf4 Rd1 Rg4 Rd3 Rh6 Rd1 Nf3 Rb5+ Kf4 Rb4+ Kg3 Rxg4+ Kxg4 Rd7 Rh8 Rg7+ Kf4 Rf7+ Ke4; 
8/r3k3/bp2P3/3P3r/P1P2p2/3BnP1p/1R6/R6K b - - acd 36; acs 90; bm Bxc4; c3 "Bxc4"; ce 865; pm Bxc4; pv Bxc4 Bxc4 Nxc4 Rb4 Nd6 Rc1 Rxd5 Rxf4 Nf5 Rc2 Ra8 Kh2 Rh8 Re2 Nd4 Re1 Nxe6 Rfe4 Rd6 Kh1 Kf6 Rb4 Nd4 Rd1 Rh4 Rb3 Kf5 Re3 Rc6 f4 Rc4 Red3 Rxa4 Rb1 Kxf4 Rf1+ Ke4 Rg3 Rf4 Re1+ Kf5 Rb1 Rf3 Rg8 Ra2 Re1; 
8/r3k3/bp2P3/3P3r/P1P2p2/3BnP1p/2R5/R6K w - - acd 36; acs 234; bm Rg1; c3 "Rb2"; ce -350; pm Rg1; pv Rg1 Kd6 Rcc1 Rxd5 e7 Rxe7 Rg6+ Ke5 cxd5 Bxd3 Re6+ Rxe6 dxe6 Kd6 Kh2 Bf5 e7 Kxe7 Rc6 Nd5 Kg1 Be6 Rc2 Ne3 Rd2 Kf6 Rb2 Nc4 Rb5 Kg6 Kh1 Kf7 Kg1 Kf6 Kh1 Ke7 Rh5 Ne3 Rh4 Nd5 Rh6 Kd6 Kh2 Ke5 Rh7 Nc3 Ra7 Bd5 Rh7 Bxf3 Rxh3 Ke4 Rh6; 
8/r3k3/bp2P3/3P1n1r/P1P2p2/3B1P1p/2R5/R6K b - - acd 36; acs 1; bm Ne3; c3 "Ne3"; ce 350; pm Ne3; pv Ne3 Rg1 Kd6 Rcc1 Rxd5 e7 Rxe7 Rg6+ Ke5 cxd5 Bxd3 Re6+ Rxe6 dxe6 Kd6 Kh2 Bf5 e7 Kxe7 Rc6 Nd5 Kg1 Be6 Rc4 Kd6 Kh2 Bd7 Kh1 Be8 Kg1 Bh5 Kf2 Ke5 Rc8 Bf7 Ra8 Ne3 Rb8 Nc4 Rh8 Be6 Rh5+ Kd6 Kg1 Ne3 Kh2 Bd7 Rh8 Nc4 Rb8 Ke5; 
8/r3k3/bp2P3/3P1n1r/P1P2p2/5P1p/2R5/R4B1K w - - acd 36; acs 7; bm Bd3; c3 "Bd3"; ce -350; pm Bd3; pv Bd3 Ne3 Rg1 Kd6 Rcc1 Rxd5 e7 Rxe7 Rg6+ Ke5 cxd5 Bxd3 Re6+ Rxe6 dxe6 Kd6 Kh2 Bf5 e7 Kxe7 Rc6 Nd5 Kg1 Be6 Rc4 Kd6 Kh2 Bd7 Kh1 Be8 Kg1 Bh5 Kf2 Ke5 Rc8 Bf7 Ra8 Ne3 Rb8 Nc4 Rh8 Be6 Rh5+ Kd6 Kg1 Ne3 Kh2 Bd7 Rh8 Bxa4 Kxh3 Bc6; 
8/r3k3/bp1nP3/3P3r/P1P2p2/5P1p/2R5/R4B1K b - - acd 36; acs 1; bm Nf5; c3 "Nf5"; ce 350; pm Nf5; pv Nf5 Bd3 Ne3 Rg1 Kd6 Rcc1 Rxd5 e7 Rxe7 Rg6+ Ke5 cxd5 Bxd3 Re6+ Rxe6 dxe6 Kd6 Kh2 Bf5 e7 Kxe7 Rc6 Nd5 Kg1 Be6 Rc4 Kd6 Kh2 Bd7 Kh1 Be8 Kg1 Bh5 Kf2 Ke5 Rc8 Bf7 Ra8 Ne3 Rb8 Nc4 Rh8 Be6 Rh5+ Kd6 Kg1 Ne3 Kh2 Bd7 Rh8 Bxa4 Kxh3 Bc6; 
8/r3k3/bp1nP3/3P3r/P1P2p2/5P1p/7R/R4B1K w - - acd 36; acs 157; bm Rc1; c3 "Rc2"; ce -322; pm Rc1; pv Rc1 Nf5 Bd3 Ne3 Rb2 Rg5 Rxb6 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd3 Kh2 Rxd5 Rg1 Ra8 Rg7+ Kf6 Rf7+ Ke5 e7 Re8 Rh6 Bf1 Rh5+ Ke6 Rxd5 Kxf7 Rd1 Bg2 Rd4 Kxe7 Rxf4 Ra8 Rd4 Ke6 Rh4 Kd7 Kg3 Kd6 Rh6+ Kc5 Rh4 Ra6 Rf4 Re6 Kh2 Rh6 a5 Ra6 Ra4 Kb5 Ra3; 
2b5/r3k3/1p1nP3/3P3r/P1P2p2/5P1p/7R/R4B1K b - - acd 36; acs 19; bm Ba6; c3 "Ba6"; ce 332; pm Ba6; pv Ba6 Rc1 Nf5 Bd3 Ne3 Rb2 Rg5 Rxb6 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd3 Kh2 Rxd5 Rg1 Ra8 Rg7+ Kf6 Rf7+ Ke5 e7 Re8 Rh6 Bf1 Rh5+ Ke6 Rxd5 Kxf7 Rd1 Bg2 Rd4 Kxe7 Rxf4 Ra8 Rd4 Ke6 Rh4 Kd6 Rh6+ Kc5 Rh4 Ra6 Rf4 Rh6; 
2b5/r3k3/1p1nP3/3P3r/P1P2p2/5P1p/7R/R4BK1 w - - acd 36; acs 175; bm Kh1; c3 "Kh1"; ce -253; pm Kh1; pv Kh1 Ba6 Rc1 Nf5 Bd3 Ne3 Rb2 Rg5 Rxb6 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd3 Kh2 Rxd5 Rg1 Ra8 Rg7+ Kf6 Rf7+ Ke5 e7 Re8 Kxh3 Bf1+ Kh2 Bc4 Rg7 Rd7 Rb4 Rd2+ Kg1 Kf6 Rh7 Kg6 Rh2 Rd1+ Kf2 Rd4 Rb6+ Kg7 Rb7 Kf6 Rh4 Bd5 Rd7 Rxe7 Rxe7 Kxe7 a5 Ra4 a6 Ra2+ Ke1; 
2b1n3/r3k3/1p2P3/3P3r/P1P2p2/5P1p/7R/R4BK1 b - - acd 36; acs 86; bm Nd6; c3 "Nd6"; ce 343; pm Nd6; pv Nd6 Kh1 Ba6 Rc2 Nf5 Bd3 Ne3 Rcc1 Rxd5 cxd5 Bxd3 Kh2 Be2 a5 bxa5 Rg1 Kf6 Rge1 Bb5 Reb1 Bc4 Ra4 Ke5 Rg1 Bxd5 e7 Rxe7 Rg5+ Kf6 Rh5 Kg6 Rxh3 Nc4 Ra2 Kf6 Rh4 Ke5 Ra4 Rb7 Rh5+ Kd6 Rh6+ Kc5 Rh5 Rb2+ Kh3 Kd4 Kh4 Rh2+ Kg5 Rxh5+ Kxh5; 
2b1n3/r3k3/1p6/3PP2r/P1P2p2/5P1p/7R/R4BK1 w - - acd 36; acs 135; bm Re2; c3 "e6"; ce -301; pm Re2; pv Re2 Ng7 Rh2 Rxe5 Bxh3 Bxh3 Rxh3 Rh5 Kg2 Rxh3 Kxh3 Nf5 Kg4 Ne3+ Kxf4 Nxc4 Ke4 Kd6 Kd4 Ne5 f4 Nd7 f5 Ra5 Kc3 Rxd5 Kb4 Kc6 Rf1 Nf6 Kb3 Kd6 Ka2 Ke5 Kb2 Rd2+ Kb3 Rd4 Ra1 Rd5 Rc1 Kd6 Rf1 Rc5 Kb2 Ra5 Ka3 Ke5 Kb3 Rc5 Kb2 Nd5 Kb3 Rc3+ Kb2 Rc4 f6; 
2b1n2r/r3k3/1p6/3PP3/P1P2p2/5P1p/7R/R4BK1 b - - acd 36; acs 7; bm Rh5; c3 "Rh5"; ce 299; pm Rh5; pv Rh5 Re2 Ng7 Rh2 Rxe5 Bxh3 Bxh3 Rxh3 Rh5 Kg2 Rxh3 Kxh3 Nf5 Kg4 Ne3+ Kxf4 Nxc4 Ke4 Kd6 Kd4 Ne5 f4 Nd7 f5 Ra5 Kc3 Rxd5 Rf1 Ra5 Kb4 Nf6 Kb3 Rd5 Ka2 Ke5 Kb2 Ra5 Kb3 Nd5 Rf3 Rc5 Rf1 Rc7 Ka3 Rc3+ Kb2 Rc4 Kb3 Rc5 Ka3 Ne3 Re1 Kd4; 
2b1n2r/r3k3/1p6/3PP3/P1P2p2/5P1p/5K1R/R4B2 w - - acd 36; acs 160; bm Kg1; c3 "Kg1"; ce -301; pm Kg1; pv Kg1 Rh5 Re2 Ng7 Rh2 Rxe5 Bxh3 Bxh3 Rxh3 Rh5 Kh2 Rxh3+ Kxh3 Nf5 Kg4 Ne3+ Kxf4 Nxc4 Ke4 Kd6 Kd4 Ne5 f4 Nd7 f5 Ra5 Kc4 Rxd5 Rf1 Nf6 Rf3 Ra5 Kb3 Rc5 Rd3+ Nd5 Rf3 Ke5 Rf1 Kf6 Ka3 Rc3+ Kb2 Rc4 Ka3 Rc5 Kb3 Ke5 Kb2 Ne3 Re1 Kd4 f6; 
2b1n1r1/r3k3/1p6/3PP3/P1P2p2/5P1p/5K1R/R4B2 b - - acd 43; acs 1410; bm Rh8; c3 "Rh8"; ce 326; pm Rh8; pv Rh8; 
2b1n1r1/r3k3/1p6/3PP3/P1P2p2/3B1P1p/5K1R/R7 w - - acd 43; acs 1410; bm Bc2; c3 "Bf1"; ce -187; pm Bc2; pv Bc2; 
2b1nkr1/r7/1p6/3PP3/P1P2p2/3B1P1p/5K1R/R7 b - - acd 50; acs 1410; bm Ke7; c3 "Ke7"; ce 210; pm Ke7; pv Ke7 Bc2; 
2b1nkr1/r7/1p6/3PP3/P1P2p2/5P1p/2B2K1R/R7 w - - acd 48; acs 1410; bm Bd3; c3 "Bd3"; ce -249; pm Bd3; pv Bd3 Ke7; 
r1b1nkr1/8/1p6/3PP3/P1P2p2/5P1p/2B2K1R/R7 b - - acd 52; acs 1410; bm Ra7; c3 "Ra7"; ce 254; pm Ra7; pv Ra7; 
r1b1nkr1/8/1p6/3PP3/2P2p2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 w - - acd 47; acs 1410; bm a4; c3 "a4"; ce -259; pm a4; pv a4 Ra7 Bd3 Ke7 Bc2 Kd8 Bd3 Rg3 e6 Nd6 Rah1 Rxa4 Rxh3 Ra2+ Be2 Rxh3 Rxh3 Nxc4 Rh8+ Kc7 Ke1 Nd6 Rh7+ Kd8 Bd3 Rg2 Kd1 Ke8 Kc1 Rg5 Be4 Ba6 Rh8+ Ke7 Rh7+ Kf6 Rh6+ Kg7 Rh7+ Kg8 Rh4 Bc4 Rxf4 Kg7 e7 Re5 Kb2 Rxe7 Kc3 Bb5 Rg4+ Kf7 Kd4 Ke8 Rh4 Kd7 Rh6 Kc7 Rh1 Kd8 Rh6 Kd7 Rh1 Kc7 Rg1 Re8 Rc1+ Kb7 Bg6 Re7 Rh1 Bd7 Rh7 Rxh7 Bxh7 Bf5; 
r1b1n1r1/6k1/1p6/3PP3/2P2p2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 b - - acd 51; acs 1410; bm Kf8; c3 "Kf8"; ce 216; pm Kf8; pv Kf8; 
r1b1n1r1/6k1/1p6/3P4/2P1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 w - - acd 48; acs 1410; bm e5; c3 "e5"; ce -266; pm e5; pv e5 Kf8; 
r1b1n1rk/6B1/1p6/3P4/2P1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 b - - acd 50; acs 1410; bm Kxg7; c3 "Kxg7"; ce 266; pm Kxg7; pv Kxg7; 
r1b1n1rk/6b1/1p6/3PB3/2P1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 w - - acd 52; acs 1410; bm Bxg7+; c3 "Bxg7+"; ce -252; pm Bxg7+; pv Bxg7+ Kxg7 e5 Kf8 a4 Ra7 Bd3 Ke7 Bc2 Kd8 Bd3 Rg3 e6 Nd6 Rah1 Rxa4 Rxh3 Ra2+ Be2 Rxh3 Rxh3 Nxc4 Rh8+ Kc7 Ke1 Nd6 Rh7+ Kd8 Bd3 Rg2 Kd1 Ke8 Be4 Ba6 Rh8+ Ke7 Rh7+ Kf6 Rh6+ Kg7 Rh7+ Kg8 Rh4 Kf8 Rxf4+ Ke7 Rh4 Ne8 f4 Rf2 Rh7+ Kd6 Rd7+ Kc5 Bg6 Nd6 Rc7+ Kxd5 e7 Bb5 f5 Kd4 Ra7 Rf1+ Kc2 Bd3+ Kb2; 
r1b1n1rk/8/1p5b/3PB3/2P1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 b - - acd 53; acs 1410; bm Bg7; c3 "Bg7"; ce 276; pm Bg7; pv Bg7 Bxg7+ Kxg7 e5 Kf8 a4 Ra7 Bd3 Ke7 Bc2 Kd8 Bd3 Rg3 e6 Nd6 Rah1 Rxa4 Rxh3 Ra2+ Be2 Rxh3 Rxh3 Nxc4 Rh8+ Kc7 Ke1 Nd6 Rh7+ Kd8 Bd3 Rg2 Kd1 Ke8 Rh4 Bb7 Be4 Ba6 Rxf4 Ke7 Rh4 Ne8 f4 Rg1+ Kd2 Nf6 f5 Bc4 Bf3 b5 Ke3 Bxd5 Be2 Bc6 Kd4 Kd6 Rh6 Rg2 Bf3 Bxf3 Rxf6 Rg4+ Kd3 Rc4 Rf8 Bc6 Ke3 Rg4 Kd3 Rg3+ Kd4 Rf3 Rf6 Rf4+ Ke3 Re4+ Kd3 Re5 Kd4 Rd5+ Ke4 Rc5+ Kd4 Rc4+ Ke3 b4 Rf8 Rc5 Kd4 Rb5 Rd8+ Ke7 Rc8; 
r1b1n1rk/8/1p1B3b/3Pp3/2P1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 w - - acd 52; acs 1410; bm Bxe5+; c3 "Bxe5+"; ce -274; pm Bxe5+; pv Bxe5+ Bg7 Bxg7+ Kxg7 e5 Kf8 a4 Ra7 Bd3 Ke7 Bc2 Kd8 Bd3 Rg3 e6 Nd6 Rah1 Rxa4 Rxh3 Ra2+ Be2 Rxh3 Rxh3 Nxc4 Rh8+ Kc7 Ke1 Nd6 Rh7+ Kd8 Bd3 Rg2 Kd1 Ke8 Be4 Ba6 Rh8+ Ke7 Rh7+ Kf6 Rh6+ Kg7 Rh7+ Kg8 Rh4 Kf8 Rxf4+ Ke7 Rh4 Ne8 f4 Rg1+ Kd2 Nf6 f5 Bc4 Bf3 b5 Ke3 Bxd5 Be2 Bc6 Kd4 Kd6 Rh6 Rg2 Bf3 Bxf3 Rxf6 Rg4+ Kd3 Be4+ Kd2 Bd5 Rf8 Bc6 Kd3 Rf4 Ke3 Ra4 Rf6 Re4+ Kd3 Re5 Kd4 Rd5+ Ke4 Rc5+ Kd4 Rc4+ Ke3 b4 Rf8 Re4+ Kd3 b3 e7 Rxe7; 
r1b3rk/2n5/1p1B3b/3Pp3/2P1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 b - - acd 52; acs 1410; bm Ne8; c3 "Ne8"; ce 252; pm Ne8; pv Ne8; 
r1b3rk/2n5/1p1p3b/3Pp3/1BP1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 w - - acd 55; acs 1410; bm Bxd6; c3 "Bxd6"; ce -276; pm Bxd6; pv Bxd6 Ne8 Bxe5+ Bg7 Bxg7+ Kxg7 e5 Kf8 a4 Ra7 Bd3 Ke7 Bc2 Kd8 Bd3 Rg3 e6 Nd6 Rah1 Rxa4 Rxh3 Ra2+ Be2 Rxh3 Rxh3 Nxc4 Rh8+ Kc7 Ke1 Nd6 Rh7+ Kd8 Bd3 Rg2 Kd1 Ke8 Rh4 Bb7 Be4 Ba6 Rxf4 Ke7 Rh4 Ne8 f4 Rg1+ Kd2 Nf6 f5 Bc4 Bf3 b5 Ke3 Bxd5 Be2 Bc6 Kd4 Kd6 Rh6 Re1 Rxf6 Rxe2 Rf8 Re4+ Kd3 Rf4 Ke3 Rf3+ Kd4 Rf1 Kd3 Ra1 Rf6 Ra3+ Kd4 Ra4+ Kd3 Be4+ Kd2 Bd5 Rf8 Bc6 Kc3 Rf4 Kd2 Rf3 Ke2 Rg3 Rd8+ Ke7 Rb8 Rb3 Rc8; 
r1b1n1rk/2N5/1p1p3b/3Pp3/1BP1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 b - - acd 54; acs 1410; bm Nxc7; c3 "Nxc7"; ce 285; pm Nxc7; pv Nxc7 Bxd6 Ne8 Bxe5+ Bg7 Bxg7+ Kxg7 e5 Kf8 a4 Ra7 Bd3 Ke7 Bc2 Kd8 Bd3 Rg3 e6 Nd6 Bf1 Ba6 Bxh3 Bxc4 Bf1 Bxf1 Rh8+ Kc7 Rh7+ Kb8 Rh8+ Kb7 Rh7+ Ka6 Rxa7+ Kxa7 Rxf1 Rg5 Rd1 Kb7 Rd2 Re5 Rd1 Kc8 Kg1 Nf5 Rc1+ Kb7 Rc4 Rxd5 Rxf4 Re5 Kf2 Ne7 Rf6 Kc6 f4 Ra5 Rf8 Kd6 Rb8 Ra6 Kf3 Kxe6 Kg4 Nd5 Kg5 Rxa4 f5+ Ke7 Rb7+ Kd6 f6 Ke6; 
r1b1n1rk/2p5/1p1p3b/1N1Pp3/1BP1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 w - - acd 44; acs 1410; bm Rah1; c3 "Nxc7"; ce -183; pm Rah1; pv Rah1 Bg5; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/1N1Pp3/1BP1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 b - - acd 48; acs 1410; bm Ne8; c3 "Ne8"; ce 169; pm Ne8; pv Ne8 Bd3; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/1N1Pp3/1pP1Pp2/P4P1p/2BB1K1R/R7 w - - acd 48; acs 1410; bm Bxb4; c3 "Bxb4"; ce -201; pm Bxb4; pv Bxb4 Ne8; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp2/P4P1p/2BB1K1R/R7 b - - acd 50; acs 1410; bm axb4; c3 "axb4"; ce 172; pm axb4; pv axb4 Bxb4 Ne8 Ke2 Rg3 Rah1 Bg5 a4 Kg8 Be1 Kf7 Bf2 Bf6 Bd1 Bd7 Kd3 Bg7 Ke2 Rc8 Na7 Rb8 Nb5 Bf6 Kd3 Ra8 Kc3 Bh4 Kb2 Bg5 Be1 Kg6 Bf2 Kf6 Be1 Kf7 Kb1 Rc8 Kc2 Nf6 Be2 Ke7 Kb2 Rh8 Nxc7 Rg2 Kc3 Bh4 Bxh4 Rxh4 Na8 Nh5 Rxg2 hxg2 Rg1; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp2/P4P1p/2BB1K2/R6R w - - acd 48; acs 1410; bm Rh2; c3 "Rh2"; ce -178; pm Rh2; pv Rh2 axb4; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BB1K2/R6R b - - acd 50; acs 1410; bm h3; c3 "h3"; ce 178; pm h3; pv h3 Rh2; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BBKq2/R6R w - - acd 54; acs 1410; bm Kxf2; c3 "Kxf2"; ce -169; pm Kxf2; pv Kxf2 h3 Rh2 axb4 Bxb4 Ne8 Ke2 Rg3 Rah1 Bg5 Be1 Kg7 a4 Kg6 Bf2 Kf7 Bd1 Bf6 Kd3 Bd7 Kc3 Bg5 Kb2 Rc8 Na7 Rb8 Nb5 Ra8 Be1 Kg6 Kb1 Bh4 Bf2 Kf6 Be1 Kg5 Kb2 Rb8 Kb1 Kg6 Be2 Bg5 Bd1 Kg7 Be2 Ra8 Bd1 Rc8 Na7 Rd8 Nb5 Kf7 Kb2 Kg6 Be2 Ra8 Bd1 Rc8 Na7 Rb8 Nb5; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BBKQq1/R6R b - - acd 48; acs 1410; bm Qxf2+; c3 "Qxf2+"; ce 193; pm Qxf2+; pv Qxf2+ Kxf2 h3 Rag1 Bg5 Nxc7 Nh5 Rg4 Bxg4 fxg4 Ra7 Rxh3 Rxc7 bxa5 bxa5 Bxa5 Rh7 gxh5 Rhg7 Bd1 Kh7 Bb4 Be7 Bf3 Rg1 Rh1 Rxh1 Bxh1 Rc8 Ke2 Kh6 Bf3 Rxc4 Kd3 Rc1 a4 Rf1 Be2 Rf2 Bd2 Bg5 Be1 Rh2 Bf3 Ra2 Bb4 Be7 Bd1 Ra1 Kd2 Kg5 Bc3 Ra3 Bb4 Re3 Bc2 Rh3 a5 Rh2+ Kd3; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BBKQq1/RR6 w - - acd 46; acs 1410; bm Rh1; c3 "Rh1"; ce -182; pm Rh1; pv Rh1 Qxf2+ Kxf2 h3 Rh2 axb4 Bxb4 Ne8 a4 Rg3 Ke2 Kg8 Rah1 Rg7 Be1 Bg5 Kd3 Bd8 Kc3 Nf6 Bd3 Nh5 Kb4 Kf7 Bf2 Rg6 Rg1 Ng3 Kb3 Bd7 Nc3 Rg8 Kb4 Rb8 Kb3 Kf6 Be1 Ra8 Bf2 Rg5 Nb5 Rg6 Nc3 Kf7 Nb5 Rg8 Nc3 Be7 Nb5 Rac8 Kb4; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1q1/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BBKQP1/RR6 b - - acd 49; acs 1410; bm Qxg2; c3 "Qxg2"; ce 196; pm Qxg2; pv Qxg2; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1q1/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BB1QP1/RR3K2 w - - acd 45; acs 1410; bm Ke2; c3 "Ke2"; ce -191; pm Ke2; pv Ke2 Qxg2; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BB1QP1/RR3K2 b - - acd 47; acs 1410; bm h4; c3 "h4"; ce 199; pm h4; pv h4; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BB1QP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 49; acs 1410; bm Kf1; c3 "Kf1"; ce -172; pm Kf1; pv Kf1 h4 Ke2 Qxg2 Rh1 Qxf2+ Kxf2 h3 Rh2 axb4 Bxb4 Ne8 a4 Bf8 Rg1 Be7 Kf1 Rg7 Rxg7 Kxg7 Kg1 Bd7 Be1 Kg6 Bb3 Kh5 Rh1 Bh4 Bxh4 Kxh4 Kh2 Bxb5 cxb5 Nf6 Rg1 Rg8 Rxg8 Nxg8 Bc4 Nf6 Bf1 Nd7 Bxh3 Nc5 Bf1 Nxa4 Bc4 Nc3 Kg2 Nd1 Be2 Ne3+ Kh2 Kg5 Kg1 Kh6 Kf2 Kg7 Kg1 Kf7 Bd3 Kf6 Bf1 Kg6 Be2 Kg5 Bd3 Kh4 Kh2 Nd1 Bf1 Nc3 Bc4 Kg5; 
r1b2r1k/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BB1QP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 51; acs 1410; bm Rg8; c3 "Rg8"; ce 172; pm Rg8; pv Rg8 Kf1 h4 Ke2 Qxg2 Rh1 Qxf2+ Kxf2 h3 Rh2 axb4 Bxb4 Ne8 a4 Bf8 Rg1 Be7 Kf1 Rg7 Rxg7 Kxg7 Kg1 Bd7 Be1 Kg6 Bb3 Kh5 Rh1 Bh4 Bxh4 Kxh4 Kh2 Bxb5 cxb5 Nf6 Rg1 Rg8 Rxg8 Nxg8 Bc4 Nf6 Bf1 Nd7 Bxh3 Nc5 Bf1 Nxa4 Bc4 Nc3 Kg2 Nd1 Be2 Ne3+ Kh2 Kg5 Kg1 Kh6 Kh2 Kg6 Kg1 Kg5 Bd3 Kh4 Kf2 Nd1+ Kg2 Kg5 Be2 Nb2 Kg1 Na4 Kg2 Kh5 Bd3 Nc3 Bc4 Kh4 Kh2 Nd1; 
r1b2r1k/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BBQ1P1/RR4K1 w - - acd 52; acs 1410; bm Qf2; c3 "Qf2"; ce -172; pm Qf2; pv Qf2 Rg8 Kf1 h4 Ke2 Qxg2 Rh1 Qxf2+ Kxf2 h3 Rh2 axb4 Bxb4 Ne8 a4 Bf8 Rg1 Be7 Kf1 Rg7 Rxg7 Kxg7 Kg1 Bd7 Be1 Kg6 Bb3 Kh5 Rh1 Bh4 Bxh4 Kxh4 Kh2 Bxb5 cxb5 Nf6 Rg1 Rg8 Rxg8 Nxg8 Bc4 Nf6 Bf1 Nd7 Bxh3 Nc5 Bf1 Nxa4 Bc4 Nc3 Kg2 Nd1 Be2 Ne3+ Kh2 Kg5 Kg1 Kh6 Kh2 Kg6 Bd3 Kg5 Kg1 Kf6 Kf2 Kf7 Ke1 Kg6 Kf2 Nd1+ Kg1 Nc3 Kf2 Kh5 Kg2 Kg5 Kf2 Nd1+ Kg2 Kf6 Kg1; 
r1b2r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BBQ1P1/RR4K1 b - - acd 53; acs 1410; bm Nf6; c3 "Nf6"; ce 172; pm Nf6; pv Nf6 Qf2 h4 Kf1 Rg8 Ke2 Qxg2 Rh1 h3 Rh2 Qxf2+ Kxf2 axb4 Bxb4 Ne8 a4 Bf8 Rg1 Be7 Kf1 Rg7 Rxg7 Kxg7 Kg1 Bd7 Be1 Kg6 Bb3 Kh5 Rh1 Bh4 Bxh4 Kxh4 Kh2 Bxb5 cxb5 Nf6 Rg1 Rg8 Rxg8 Nxg8 Bc4 Nf6 Bf1 Nd7 Bxh3 Nc5 Bf1 Nxa4 Bc4 Nc3 Kg2 Nd1 Be2 Ne3+ Kh2 Kg5 Kg1 Kg6 Bd3 Nd1 Be2 Nc3 Bd3 Kh5 Kf2 Nd1+ Kg2 Kh6 Kh2 Ne3 Be2 Kg6; 
r1b2r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 49; acs 3534; bm f3; c3 "f3"; ce -169; pm f3; pv f3 Rg8 Qf2; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1Pp/1PP1Pp2/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 50; acs 2858; bm Qxg5; c3 "Qxg5"; ce 133; pm Qxg5; pv Qxg5 Rb3 axb4 Nxc7 Nc5 Nxa8 Nxb3 Bxb3 Bh3 f3 Rxa8 Be1 Rg8 Kh2 Bxg2 axb4 Qd8 Ra7 h4 Ba4 Qg5 Bd7 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qg1+ Kh3 Qxe1 Bg4 Qg1 Ra2 Qg3+ Qxg3 hxg3 Bf3 Rc8 Be2 Kg7 Ra6 Bg5 Kg4 Be7 Bf1 Kf7 b5 Rb8 Ra7 Kf6 Ra6 Kg6 Ra7 Bf8 Kf3 Kf6 Kg4 Rc8 Kf3 Kg5 Be2 Re8 Bd3 Rb8 Kg2 Kf6 Kf3 Be7 Bf1 Rg8 Bg2 Rh8 Ra6 Rb8; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1np/1PP1Pp1P/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 50; acs 3476; bm hxg5; c3 "hxg5"; ce -148; pm hxg5; pv hxg5 Qxg5 Rb3 axb4 Rg3 Qf6 Rh3 Nc5 Rxh5 Qg6 Rh2 b3 Bd1 Nxe4 Bc1 Bf5 Qh5 Kg7 Qxg6+ Kxg6 Bxb3 Rf7 Bd1 Kg7 Bc2 Bg6 Ra2 Bg5 Bd2 Nxd2 Bxg6 Kxg6 Rxd2 e4 Kf1 Bf6 Ke2 Re7 Rh3 Kf5 Rd1 Ra4 Rc1 Kg4 Rh6 Kg5 Rh3 Be5 Rc2 Rf7 Rh1 Bf6 Rh2 Re7 Rh3 Be5 Rc1 Rf7 Rhh1 Rg7 Rh8 Kf6 Kf1; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1Np/1PP1Pp1P/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 52; acs 2858; bm Nxg5; c3 "Nxg5"; ce 143; pm Nxg5; pv Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Rb3 axb4 Nxc7 Nc5 Nxa8 Nxb3 Bxb3 Bh3 f3 Rxa8 Be1 Rg8 Kh2 Bxg2 axb4 Qd8 Ra7 h4 Ba4 Qg5 Bd7 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qg1+ Kh3 Qxe1 Bg4 Qg1 Ra2 Rg6 Rd2 Qg3+ Qxg3 hxg3 Bh5 Rg7 Ra2 Rc7 Ra8+ Kh7 Be2 Bg5 Kg2 Be7 Ra6 Kh6 Kf3 Rb7 Ra8 Bf6 Bf1 Kh5 Ra6 Be7 Ra8 Rc7 b5 Bf6 Ra6 Rb7 Bh3 Rb8 Bf5 Kg5 Bh3 Be7 Kg2 Rb7 Kf3 Kh4 Bf1 Kh5 Bg2 Bg5 Bh3 Kh4 Bg2; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1pp/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 48; acs 2858; bm hxg5; c3 "Nxg5"; ce -133; pm hxg5; pv hxg5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Qxg5 Rb3 axb4 Nxc7 Nc5 Nxa8 Nxb3 Bxb3 Bh3 f3 Rxa8 Be1 Rg8 Kh2 Bxg2 axb4 Qd8 Ra7 h4 Ba4 Qg5 Bd7 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qg1+ Kh3 Qxe1 Bg4 Qg1 Ra2 Rg6 Rd2 Qg3+ Qxg3 hxg3 Bh5 Rg7 Ra2 Rc7 Ra8+ Kg7 Be2 Kf6 Bf1 Kg5 Kg2 Bg7 Kf3 Bf6 Ra6 Rb7 Bg2 Bg7 Bh3 Rc7 Bf1 Bh6 b5 Rb7 Ra8 Bg7 Be2 Rc7 Ra6; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 51; acs 148037; bm g5 Rg8; c0 "http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68615&hilit=r1bq1r1k%2F2pn3n%2F1p1p2pb%2FpN1Pp2p%2F1PP1Pp1P%2FP4N2%2F2BBQPP1%2FRR4K1+b"; c3 "g5"; c5 "dorszcz.0890"; ce 170; id "dorszcz.0890"; pm g5 Rg8; pv Rg8 Qd3; 
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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

Post by Dann Corbit »

Unless you chase it all the way to checkmate, there is never a "once and for all" for positions like these.

However, I am going to analyze these two positions for 30 hours each over the weekend (actually for 108000801 milliseconds, since it is such a nice looking number):

[d]r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1pp/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - -
[d]r1bq2rk/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - -


In hopes that we will have a clear result as to which is the better move.
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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

Post by mwyoung »

Dann Corbit wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:04 am Attached you will find the raw analysis (from back to front) of your original positions one by one.
It shows each ply of search.

I plan (over the weekend) to analyze both positions (after the pawn move and after the rook move) at 24 hours for a more definite result. (I am speaking of the root position after g5 and Rg8).

I no longer have the raw analysis for the Rook move, which was made some weeks ago.
I could not find a win with g5 or Rg8.

So I give Lc0. Four hours in deep analysis mode to show a win. Below is the Lc0 claimed win with Rg8 with a +10 score. I don't know if it can be refuted. As it just finished the analysis. But it does think Rg8, and not g5 is the way to win the game.

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "61"]

{[#]} 1... Rg8 (1... Rf7 2. Kh2 (2. Kf1 g5 (2... Ndf6 3. Bc3 g5 4. hxg5 Nxg5 5.
bxa5 bxa5 6. Ke1 Rh7 7. Nxg5 Bxg5 8. f3 Ng4 9. Kd2 Ne3 10. Rh1 h4 11. Kc1 Bf6
12. Bd2 Bd7 13. Rb1 Rg7 14. Bxe3 fxe3 15. Kb2 Bg5 16. Ka2 Bh6 17. Qe1 Rg3 18.
Rb2 Rb8 19. a4 Kh7 20. Bd1 c6 21. dxc6 Bxc6 22. Qg1 Kg6 23. Bb3 Bd7 24. Qh2 Bg5
25. Rd1 Rb6 26. Qg1 Be6 27. Qe1 Rc6 28. Na7 Rc7 29. Nb5 Rd7 30. Nc3 Kh7 31. Qe2
Qc8 $17 {-1.46/13}) 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Qe1 Nf6 5. Nxg5 Bxg5 6. f3 Rg7 7. Ke2 Bd7
8. bxa5 bxa5 9. a4 Ne8 10. Bd3 Bh4 11. Qh1 Qg5 12. Rg1 Bg3 13. c5 dxc5 14. Bc3
c4 15. Bxc4 h4 16. Rab1 Qe7 17. Rgc1 Kh7 18. Qf1 Ra6 19. Kd3 Rag6 20. Rb2 Bh2
21. Rcb1 Nd6 22. Nxd6 Qxd6 23. Qf2 h3 24. Rh1 Bg3 25. Qa7 Bh4 26. Bb5 c6 27.
Bxc6 Bxc6 28. Qb8 Qxb8 29. Rxb8 hxg2 30. Rxh4+ Rh6 31. Rxh6+ Kxh6 32. Rb1 $19 {
-3.12/23}) (2. Qe1 g5 (2... Rg7) 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Kf1 Nf6 5. Nxg5 Bxg5 6. f3 h4
7. Ke2 Rg7 8. bxa5 bxa5 9. Bxa5 Nh7 10. Kd3 Bf6 11. Nxc7 Rxc7 12. Ba4 Ba6 13.
Bb5 Nf8 14. c5 Bxb5+ 15. Rxb5 Qe8 16. c6 Rg7 17. Qb4 Be7 18. Qb2 Ne6 19. Rc1
Nd4 20. Rb7 h3 21. Rh1 Kg8 22. Rxh3 Rxa5 23. c7 Kf7 24. Rb8 Qa4 25. c8=Q Qd1+
26. Kc4 Rc5+ 27. Qxc5 dxc5 28. Rb7 Qa4+ 29. Kd3 Qa6+ 30. Kc3 Qa5+ 31. Kc4 Kg8
$19 {-6.66/18}) (2. bxa5 g5 (2... bxa5 3. Qe1 Bf8 4. Bxa5 Nc5 5. Bb4 Na6 6. Qc3
Bg4 7. c5 Bxf3 8. gxf3 Qxh4 9. Kg2 dxc5 10. Ba5 Qg5+ 11. Kf1 h4 12. Ke2 Bd6 13.
Rh1 Qh5 14. Rag1 Nf6 15. Kf1 Nb8 16. a4 Na6 17. Qb3 g5 18. Bd1 Rg7 19. Bc3 Nb4
20. Bxb4 cxb4 21. Nxd6 cxd6 22. Qxb4 Rd8 23. a5 Qe8 24. Be2 Qd7 25. Kg2 Rdg8
26. Rh2 Rh7 27. Rgh1 Qc7 28. a6 Rb8 29. Qa3 Qb6 30. Rh3 Kg8 31. Qd3 Qb2 $11 {
0.15/15}) 3. axb6 Nxb6 4. Nxe5 dxe5 5. Qxh5 Qf6 6. d6 gxh4 7. Nxc7 h3 8. Bd1
Nxc4 9. Be1 Rg7 10. Nxa8 Rxg2+ 11. Kh1 Rg5 12. Rb8 Bf8 13. Qf3 h2 14. Be2 Bg4
15. Qxg4 Rxg4 16. Bxg4 Qxd6 17. Rab1 Qg6 18. f3 Ne3 19. R8b6 Qf7 20. Rb8 Qc4
21. Bh4 Nxg4 22. fxg4 f3 23. R8b2 Qxe4 24. Nc7 Bxa3 25. Rb8+ Nf8 26. Ne6 Qxg4
27. Bf6+ Kg8 28. Nf4 exf4 29. R8b2 Bxb2 30. Rg1 hxg1=Q# {#0/0}) 2... Ndf6 (2...
g5 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Nh4 Nf6 5. Rh1 axb4 6. f3 Ngh7 7. Be1 Bg5 8. Kg1 bxa3 9.
Rxa3 Rxa3 10. Nxa3 Nf8 11. Nb5 Rh7 12. Ba4 Bxh4 13. Bxh4 Ng6 14. Bg5 Kg7 15.
Qe1 Ba6 16. Na3 Kf7 17. Rh2 Qh8 18. Bc6 h4 19. Nb5 Bxb5 20. cxb5 h3 21. g4 Nf8
22. Bxf6 Kxf6 23. Kh1 Ng6 24. g5+ Kg7 25. Bd7 Qd8 26. Bxh3 Qxg5 27. Bg4 Rxh2+
28. Kxh2 Qd8 29. Kg2 Qe8 30. Qc1 Qe7 31. Bh5 Nf8 $17 {-1.27/14}) 3. bxa5 Ng4+
4. Kg1 bxa5 5. Ba4 Ngf6 6. c5 Bg4 7. Rc1 Bf8 8. cxd6 Bxd6 9. Bc3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3
Rg7 11. Qh3 g5 12. Kf1 Qe7 13. Qe6 Nxe4 14. Qxe7 Rxe7 15. hxg5 Nhxg5 16. Bd1 h4
17. Be1 Rg8 18. Rc4 Nf6 19. Nxd6 h3 20. gxh3 cxd6 21. Bxa5 Nxh3 22. Rb1 Reg7
23. Bb6 Nxd5 24. Rb3 Rg1+ 25. Ke2 Rh1 26. Ba7 Nf6 27. Bc2 d5 28. Rc6 Ng1+ 29.
Kd2 Ne4+ 30. Kc1 Nh3+ 31. Kb2 Nhxf2 $19 {-2.36/15}) (1... a4 2. Kh2 (2. Kf1) (
2. Qd3) (2. c5) 2... Ndf6 (2... g5 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Rh1 Nxf3+ 5. Qxf3 Nf6 6. Kg1
Rf7 7. Qd3 Qg8 8. Bd1 Qg6 9. Bf3 Bg4 10. Nc3 Rg8 11. Kf1 Bxf3 12. Qxf3 Rfg7 13.
Rh2 Ng4 14. Rh1 Nf6 15. Rh2 Ng4 16. Rh1 Nf6 17. Rh2 Ng4 18. Rh1 Nf6 19. Rh2 Ng4
20. Rh1 Nf6 21. Rh2 Ng4 22. Rh3 Nf6 23. Rh2 Ng4 24. Rh3 Nf6 25. Rh2 Ng4 26. Rh3
Nf6 27. Rh2 Ng4 28. Rh3 Nf6 29. Rh2 Ng4 30. Rh3 Nf6 31. Rh2 Ng4 $11 {0.00/2})
3. Rh1 g5 4. hxg5 Nxg5 5. Kg1 Nxf3+ 6. Qxf3 Rf7 7. Qd3 Qg8 8. Bd1 Qg6 9. Bf3
Bg4 10. Nc3 Rg8 11. Kf1 Bxf3 12. Qxf3 Rfg7 13. Rh2 Ng4 14. Rh1 Nf6 15. Rh2 Ng4
16. Rh1 Nf6 17. Rh2 Ng4 18. Rh1 Nf6 19. Rh2 Ng4 20. Rh1 Nf6 21. Rh2 Ng4 22. Rh3
Nf6 23. Rh2 Ng4 24. Rh3 Nf6 25. Rh2 Ng4 26. Rh3 Nf6 27. Rh2 Ng4 28. Rh3 Nf6 29.
Rh2 Ng4 30. Rh3 Nf6 31. Rh2 Ng4 $11 {0.00/2}) (1... Ndf6 2. bxa5 (2. Nbd4) (2.
Bc3) (2. c5) 2... bxa5 (2... Rg8 3. axb6 cxb6 4. Bb4 Bf8 5. Kf1 g5 6. hxg5 Nxg5
7. Ke1 Nxf3+ 8. Qxf3 Bg4 9. Qd3 Bc8 10. Qf3 Bg4 11. Qd3 Bc8 12. Qf3 Bg4 13. Qd3
Bc8 14. Qf3 Bg4 15. Qd3 Bc8 16. Qf3 Bg4 17. Qd3 Bc8 18. Qf3 Bg4 19. Qd3 Bc8 20.
Qf3 Bg4 21. Qd3 Bc8 22. Qf3 Bg4 23. Qd3 Bc8 24. Qf3 Bg4 25. Qd3 Bc8 26. Qf3 Bg4
27. Qd3 Bc8 28. Qf3 Bg4 29. Qd3 Bc8 30. Qf3 Bg4 31. Qd3 Bc8 $11 {0.00/2}) 3.
Qe1 Bg4 4. Bxa5 Ne8 5. Qc3 Bxf3 6. gxf3 g5 7. Kg2 Rg8 8. Rh1 g4 9. Bb4 Qd7 10.
Rag1 Nhf6 11. Kf1 Bf8 12. Ke2 c6 13. dxc6 Qxc6 14. Bb3 Rb8 15. Rd1 Rg7 16. a4
Nd7 17. Na7 Qb6 18. Nb5 Nef6 19. Bxd6 Bxd6 20. Rxd6 Qc5 21. Rf1 gxf3+ 22. Qxf3
Ng4 23. Rfd1 Ndf6 24. R6d5 Qb4 25. Rd6 Qc5 26. R6d5 Qb4 27. Rd6 Kh7 28. R1d3
Rc8 29. Rc3 Rg6 30. Rd2 Rb8 31. Rcd3 Rbg8 $15 {-0.49/22}) (1... g5 2. Nxg5 (2.
hxg5 Nxg5 (2... Bxg5 3. bxa5 Nc5 4. axb6 cxb6 5. Kh2 Be7 6. Rh1 Bg4 7. Bb4 Qc8
8. Kg1 Ng5 9. Kf1 Kg7 10. Bd1 Ngxe4 11. Bc2 Ng5 12. Re1 Rh8 13. Bxc5 Qxc5 14.
Qd3 Rh6 15. a4 Rc8 16. Nbd4 exd4 17. Rxe7+ Kf6 18. Re2 Qxc4 19. Rxh5 Qxd3 20.
Rxh6+ Kg7 21. Bxd3 Kxh6 22. Rb2 Bxf3 23. gxf3 Nxf3 24. Rxb6 Ne5 25. Rxd6+ Kg5
26. Ke2 Rc3 27. Bb5 Ra3 28. Kd1 d3 29. Rc6 Ng4 30. Ke1 Ra1+ 31. Kd2 Nxf2 $11 {
-0.08/11}) 3. Nxg5 Qxg5 4. Nxc7 Rg8 5. Qf3 Nf6 6. Nxa8 Bg4 7. Qd3 h4 8. Kf1 h3
9. gxh3 Qh5 10. Rb3 Be2+ 11. Qxe2 Rg1+ 12. Kxg1 Qxe2 13. bxa5 Qxd2 14. a6 Qxc2
15. Nxb6 Nxe4 16. Rf1 Qxb3 17. a7 Qxh3 18. a8=Q+ Kh7 19. Qc8 Qh5 20. Re1 Ng5
21. Qf5+ Kh8 22. Qc8+ Kg7 23. Qd7+ Nf7 24. Qe6 f3 25. Re4 Bf4 26. Rxf4 exf4 27.
Nd7 Qg5+ 28. Kf1 Qg2+ 29. Ke1 Qg1+ 30. Kd2 Qxf2+ 31. Kd3 Qf1+ $19 {-8.24/18}) (
2. bxa5) 2... Bxg5 (2... Ndf6 3. Nf3 Rg8 4. Kf1 Qd7 5. Rb3 axb4 6. Bxb4 Rg6 7.
Ke1 Rxg2 8. Qf1 Rg8 9. Kd2 Qd8 10. a4 Bg4 11. Kc1 Bf8 12. Kb2 Ne8 13. a5 bxa5
14. Rxa5 c5 15. Rxa8 Qxa8 16. Be1 Be7 17. Qh1 Rg7 18. Ra3 Qd8 19. Na7 Qb6+ 20.
Nb5 Qb8 21. Nd2 Nc7 22. Bd3 Bd7 23. Qf1 Qc8 24. Be2 Nf6 25. f3 Nfe8 26. Bf2 Kh7
27. Qa1 Qd8 28. Qh1 Qb8 29. Qb1 Qd8 30. Qh1 Qb8 31. Qb1 Rg2 $11 {-0.19/11}) 3.
hxg5 Rg8 4. Qxh5 Rxg5 5. Qh1 Ndf6 6. Kf1 Qe7 7. bxa5 bxa5 8. Ke2 Qg7 9. Re1
Rxg2 10. Kd3 Rxf2 11. Rg1 Qf7 12. Rae1 Bd7 13. Bd1 Bxb5 14. cxb5 Rg8 15. Be2 a4
16. Rxg8+ Qxg8 17. Rg1 Qe8 18. Qh6 Qf7 19. Qh3 Qe8 20. Qh6 Qd7 21. Rh1 Ng8 22.
Qg6 f3 23. Bd1 Rg2 24. Qh5 Qxb5+ 25. Kc2 Qb3+ 26. Kc1 Qxa3+ 27. Kb1 Rg7 28.
Qxf3 Qxf3 29. Bxf3 Ngf6 30. Rh3 Kg8 31. Ka2 Nd7 $19 {-5.41/20}) (1... Ba6 2.
bxa5 (2. Bd1) (2. a4) (2. Ba4) 2... Rg8 (2... bxa5 3. Bxa5 Bxb5 4. Rxb5 Rg8 5.
Bd1 g5 6. hxg5 Bxg5 7. c5 Nxc5 8. Nxe5 Qe8 9. Nf3 Nxe4 10. Bc2 Bf6 11. Re1 Neg5
12. Nxg5 Nxg5 13. Qxe8 Rgxe8 14. Rxe8+ Rxe8 15. Rb7 f3 16. Rxc7 Rg8 17. g3 h4
18. Bd2 hxg3 19. fxg3 Re8 20. Bxg5 Bxg5 21. Kf2 Re3 22. Rh7+ Kg8 23. Rh5 Re2+
24. Kxf3 Rxc2 25. Rxg5+ Kf7 26. Rf5+ Kg6 27. Rf4 Rc3+ 28. Kg4 Rd3 29. a4 Rxd5
30. Kf3 Rd3+ 31. Ke4 Rd2 $18 {5.53/20}) 3. axb6 Nxb6 4. c5 Nd7 5. cxd6 cxd6 6.
Bb4 g5 7. hxg5 Nxg5 8. Bd3 Nxf3+ 9. Qxf3 Qh4 10. Nxd6 Bxd3 11. Nf7+ Kg7 12.
Nxh6 Kxh6 13. Qxd3 Qg4 14. Kf1 Qxg2+ 15. Ke2 Nf6 16. Rg1 Qxe4+ 17. Qxe4 Nxe4
18. Rxg8 Rxg8 19. d6 Rd8 20. Rd1 Kg6 21. a4 h4 22. d7 Nf6 23. a5 h3 24. Kf1
Nxd7 25. a6 Ra8 26. Rxd7 Rxa6 27. Rd3 Ra1+ 28. Be1 Kh5 29. Rxh3+ Kg4 30. Rh2 e4
31. Ke2 Ra2+ $11 {0.10/9}) 2. bxa5 (2. Kf1 Rg7 (2... g5 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Nxg5
Qxg5 5. f3 Ba6 6. Qf2 Rg6 7. Ke2 Rag8 8. Rg1 axb4 9. Bxb4 Bxb5 10. cxb5 h4 11.
Rh1 Qxg2 12. Raf1 Qxf2+ 13. Rxf2 Bg5 14. Rg2 Kg7 15. a4 Nf6 16. Be1 Kf7 17. Kd3
Nh7 18. Bd1 Bf6 19. Rxg6 Rxg6 20. Ke2 Rh6 21. a5 bxa5 22. Bxa5 Bd8 23. Kf1 Rg6
24. Rh2 Rg3 25. Be1 Kg7 26. Rh1 Kh6 27. Rh2 Rg8 28. Bxh4 Bxh4 29. Rxh4+ Kg6 30.
Rh2 Rb8 31. Rc2 Rxb5 $15 {-0.44/15}) 3. Qe1 Ndf6 4. bxa5 bxa5 5. Ke2 Bg4 6.
Bxa5 g5 7. c5 dxc5 8. d6 Qg8 9. dxc7 gxh4 10. Qc3 h3 11. Rd1 hxg2 12. Rd8 Ng5
13. Rg1 Bxf3+ 14. Ke1 Bxe4 15. Rxg2 Bxg2 16. Qxc5 Nf3+ 17. Ke2 Ng1+ 18. Ke1 h4
19. Rxa8 Bxa8 20. c8=Q h3 21. Bb3 h2 22. Bxg8 Rxg8 23. Qxg8+ Kxg8 24. Qc8+ Kg7
25. Qxa8 e4 26. Bc3 h1=Q 27. Bxf6+ Kxf6 28. Qd8+ Kg6 29. Qe8+ Kg5 30. Qe7+ Kg4
31. Qe6+ Kf3 $19 {-16.11/16}) (2. c5 bxc5 3. Nh2 Nhf6 4. Nf3 Nh7 5. Nh2 g5 6.
Qxh5 Bf8 7. bxc5 Ndf6 8. Qe2 gxh4 9. Kh1 Ng4 10. Rg1 Nhf6 11. Qe1 dxc5 12. Nxg4
Bxg4 13. Bd1 Bxd1 14. Qxd1 Qd7 15. a4 Nxe4 16. Qe2 Qh7 17. Kh2 Bd6 18. Ra3 Rg7
19. Rh3 Ng5 20. Rb3 Qg6 21. Kh1 Qf5 22. Qh5+ Rh7 23. Qe2 Rg8 24. Kh2 Rhg7 25.
Qh5+ Qh7 26. Qxh7+ Kxh7 27. Bxa5 Ra8 28. Bb6 Rxa4 29. Rc1 h3 30. Bxc5 Bxc5 31.
Rxc5 hxg2 $19 {-34.08/9}) (2. g3 g5 (2... Rg7) 3. Kh1 Ndf6 4. bxa5 bxa5 5. Rg1
Bg4 6. Rg2 Qe7 7. gxf4 gxf4 8. Rh2 Qd7 9. Rf1 Rg6 10. Nc3 Qg7 11. Qd3 Nd7 12.
Bd1 Nc5 13. Qb1 Rg8 14. Nb5 Nf6 15. Bxa5 Bxf3+ 16. Bxf3 Ng4 17. Bxg4 Rxg4 18.
f3 Rg2 19. Rh3 Qd7 20. Rh2 Rxh2+ 21. Kxh2 Rg3 22. Rf2 Qh3# {#0/0}) 2... g5 (
2... Nc5 3. axb6 cxb6 4. Bc3 Bg7 5. Nh2 Bf6 6. a4 Nb7 7. Bb4 Bxh4 8. a5 bxa5 9.
c5 Nxc5 10. Bxc5 dxc5 11. Qc4 Ng5 12. Qxc5 f3 13. g3 Nh3+ 14. Kh1 Bd7 15. Nc7
Rc8 16. d6 Be7 17. Qe3 Kh7 18. dxe7 Qxc7 19. Bb3 Rge8 20. Nxf3 Qc5 21. Kg2 Rxe7
22. Qd2 Bg4 23. Nh2 Rd7 24. Bd5 Qc2 25. Rb2 Qxd2 26. Rxd2 Kh6 27. f3 Be6 28.
Re2 Bxd5 29. exd5 Ng5 30. Rxa5 Rc3 31. d6 Nf7 $15 {-0.31/12}) 3. axb6 Nxb6 4.
c5 g4 5. Nh2 f3 6. Qd3 Bxd2 7. cxb6 Ba5 8. bxc7 Qxh4 9. Nxd6 Ng5 10. Nxc8 Raxc8
11. d6 Be1 12. g3 Bxf2+ 13. Kxf2 Qxh2+ 14. Ke3 Qxg3 15. Kd2 Qf2+ 16. Kc1 Nf7
17. Qd5 Rgf8 18. Rb7 g3 19. Rb3 Kh7 20. Kb2 g2 21. Rd1 g1=Q 22. Rxg1 Qxg1 23.
Rxf3 Qb6+ 24. Ka2 Nxd6 25. Rxf8 Rxf8 26. Qxe5 Qf2 27. Qxh5+ Kg7 28. Qe5+ Kf7
29. Kb3 Qe3+ 30. Ka2 Qe2 31. Qc3 Ke6 $19 {-10.79/15} *
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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

Post by peter »

Dann Corbit wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:23 pm
Using your stored lines, I found two things of note:

In this position, the opponent's move in your line is Bf1, but Bc2 is much stronger:
[d]2b1n1r1/r3k3/1p6/3PP3/P1P2p2/3B1P1p/5K1R/R7 w - - acd 43; acs 1410; bm Bc2; c3 "Bf1"; ce -187; pm Bc2; pv Bc2;

In this position, the opponent's move in your line is Nxc7 but Rah1 is much stronger:
[d]r1b1n1rk/2p5/1p1p3b/1N1Pp3/1BP1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/R7 w - - acd 44; acs 1410; bm Rah1; c3 "Nxc7"; ce -183; pm Rah1; pv Rah1 Bg5;

With the improved defense, the value of the position is just under two pawns ahead for black, about the same as for Rg8.
All the other moves are optimal for both sides except for much later in the line where it is fully decided either way for black.
Found the two positions in "my lines", but you know, they are both from rather late continuations of an engine- engine- game, could well be that there are to be found better moves for both sides, yet your alternatives for Whithe won't save it probably.

First one 43.Bc2, output after that move and some Forward- Backward with 6men Syzygys, 24t hreads of 12x3GHz, 32G hash, analysis contempt off:

[d]2b1n1r1/r3k3/1p6/3PP3/P1P2p2/5P1p/2B2K1R/R7 b - - 0 1

Analysis by CF EXT 170319 x64 POP NUMA:

40...Rg5 41.e6 Ba6 42.Rxh3 Bxc4 43.Rh7+ Rg7 44.Rh4 Bxd5 45.Rxf4 Rc7 46.Bd3 Rc3 47.Rd4 Nc7 48.Be4 Kxe6 49.Rad1 Rc5 50.Rb1 Rc6 51.Rbd1 Bxe4 52.Rxe4+ Kf5 53.Rd8 Rgg6 54.Rh8 Rc2+ 55.Ke3 Rgg2 56.Rf8+ Kg6 57.Rg8+ Kf6 58.Rxg2 Rxg2 59.Kd3 Ra2 60.Rb4 Nd5 61.Re4 Rh2 62.Kc4 Rh5 63.Kb3 Rh1 64.Kc4 Nc7 65.Kb3 Na6 66.Rg4 Rh3 67.Kc4 Nc7 68.Kb4 Rh5
-+ (-2.72) Depth: 44/60 00:05:01 6281MN, tb=26748384

Your second alternative 33.Rah1, again output after this one with same hardware and Backward:


[d]r1b1n1rk/2p5/1p1p3b/1N1Pp3/1BP1Pp2/P4P1p/2B2K1R/7R b - - 0 1

Analysis by CF EXT 170319 x64 POP NUMA:

33...Bg5 34.Nc3 Bh4+ 35.Ke2 Kg7 36.Ba4 Bg3 37.Bxe8 Rxe8 38.Nb5 Re7 39.Rxh3 Bxh3 40.Rxh3 Kg6 41.Bd2 Rg7 42.Rh1 Kf6 43.Rh6+ Kg5 44.Rh1 Kg6 45.Bb4 Re8 46.Bc3 Rge7 47.Bd2 Kf6 48.Bb4 Rg7 49.Bd2 Rc8 50.Bc3 Kg5 51.Bb4 Rd7 52.Bd2 Kg6 53.Bc3 Rg8 54.Bd2 Rgg7 55.a4 Rh7
-+ (-2.15) Depth: 42/60 00:10:29 13828MN, tb=3994598


BTW, my point never was to prove a forced black win, probability for White to lose this is rather high after ...g5, even after 22...Rg8 too (!? in my .pgn) it won't be easy to be held neither.

But my point is mainly to show 22...g5 having the edge as best move. 22...Rg8 (!?) isn't game changing in negative sense maybe neither, but I wouldn't take the position into a tactical single best move test suite anyhow, so what?
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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

Post by chrisw »

Dann Corbit wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:23 pm Re:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68615&hilit=r1bq1r1 ... +b#p776047

For the following position, after I analyzed carefully:
[d]r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - -
Rg8 has a score of 170 at a depth of 51 plies
g5 has a score of 142 at a depth of 45 plies
Rf7 has a score of 87 at a depth of 42 plies
No other move has a positive score

entirely without any computer analysis, if course, I was wondering about Nd4 after the committal g5 by black. if xd4 then a threat is e5 (g5 has weakened white squares for the Bb1h7) with threats of Q mate battery and Qxd4, and activation of both bishops, meanwhile, the kside situation remains as in the main analysis.
No doubt Nd4 is immediately refutable by ST at 70 ply, but sometimes these quiet but dumb looking intermediate moves can get overlooked by AB search.

Because of the discussion about the excellence of the move g5, I analyzed the following positions backwards and forwards several times at ten minutes per position per cycle on a fairly powerful machine (and some for much longer after the hash was loaded with interesting analysis):

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8/3b4/8/2RPp1k1/p3r3/P5P1/3K4/8 w - - acd 32; acs 600; bm Kd3; ce -1672; pm Kd3; pv Kd3 Rg4; 
8/3b4/8/2RPp1k1/p3B3/P5P1/3K4/4r3 b - - acd 34; acs 600; bm Rxe4; c3 "Rxe4"; ce 1914; pm Rxe4; pv Rxe4 Kf6; 
8/3b4/8/2RPp1k1/p3B3/P5P1/8/2K1r3 w - - acd 35; acs 600; bm Kb2; c3 "Kd2"; ce -2098; pm Kb2; pv Kb2 Rxe4; 
8/3b4/8/2RPp1k1/p3B3/P5P1/4r3/2K5 b - - acd 35; acs 600; bm Rxe4; c3 "Re1+"; ce 2334; pm Rxe4; pv Rxe4; 
8/3b4/8/2RPp1k1/p3n3/P5P1/2B1r3/2K5 w - - acd 33; acs 600; bm Rc4; c3 "Bxe4"; ce -752; pm Rc4; pv Rc4 Re1+; 
8/3b4/5n2/2RPp1k1/p3P3/P5P1/2B1r3/2K5 b - - acd 36; acs 600; bm Nxe4; c3 "Nxe4"; ce 837; pm Nxe4; pv Nxe4 Re2g2; 
8/3b4/5n2/2pPp1k1/p3P3/P1R3P1/2B1r3/2K5 w - - acd 35; acs 600; bm Rc4; c3 "Rxc5"; ce -781; pm Rc4; pv Rc4 Re1+; 
8/3b4/3p1n2/2PPp1k1/p3P3/P1R3P1/2B1r3/2K5 b - - acd 38; acs 600; bm dxc5; c3 "dxc5"; ce 831; pm dxc5; pv dxc5 Rc4; 
8/3b4/3p1n2/2pPp1k1/pP2P3/P1R3P1/2B1r3/2K5 w - - acd 40; acs 600; bm bxc5; c3 "bxc5"; ce -846; pm bxc5; pv bxc5 dxc5 Rc4 Re1+ Kb2 Re3 d6 Ne8 Rxc5 Kf6 g4 Nxd6 g5+ Ke6 Rc3 Re2 Rf3 Nxe4 g6 Rg2 Kc1 Nd6 Rh3 e4 Kb2 Kd5 Rh7 Be8 Kc3 Nb5+ Kb4 Rxc2 g7 Rb2+ Kxa4 Nd4+ Ka5 Bf7 Rh8 Rg2 Rc8 Rxg7 Kb4 Nc6+ Ka4 Rg2 Kb5 Nd4+ Kb4 Rb2+ Ka5; 
8/3b4/1p1p1n2/2PPp1k1/pP2P3/P1R3P1/2B1r3/2K5 b - - acd 39; acs 600; bm bxc5; c3 "bxc5"; ce 849; pm bxc5; pv bxc5 Bd7b5; 
8/3b4/1p1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1R3P1/2B1r3/2K5 w - - acd 35; acs 600; bm Rf3; c3 "c5"; ce -800; pm Rf3; pv Rf3 Nxe4 Kd1 Rd2+ Kc1 Rd4 c5 bxc5 Rf7 Bb5 Rg7+ Kf6 Rb7 Bc4 Bxa4 Bxd5 Rb6 c4 Bc2 Ke6 Rb8 Nxg3 Bd1 e4 Rg8 Rd3 a4 Kf6 Rg4 Be6 Rh4 e3 Rh2 Ke5 Rg2 Nf5 Bc2 Nd4 Bxd3 cxd3; 
8/3b4/1p1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1R3P1/2B3r1/2K5 b - - acd 37; acs 600; bm Re2; c3 "Re2"; ce 868; pm Re2; pv Re2 Rd3 Rxe4 c5 bxc5 bxc5 dxc5 Rc3 Re2 Rxc5 Ne4 Ra5 Re3 Bb1 Nd6 Ra7 Bb5 Rg7+ Kf6 Rg6+ Ke7 Rg7+ Kd8 Rg6 Nc4 Rg8+ Ke7 Bh7 Rxa3 Rg6 Kd8 Kb1 Kd7 Bg8 e4 Bh7 Nd6 Kb2 Rf3 Rg7+ Kd8 Kc2 Rb3 Rg5 Kc7 Kd1 Ra3 Re5 Kd7 g4 e3 Re6; 
8/3b4/1p1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RB2P1/6r1/2K5 w - - acd 38; acs 600; bm Bc2; c3 "Bc2"; ce -761; pm Bc2; pv Bc2 Re2; 
8/3b4/1p1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RB2P1/7r/2K5 b - - acd 42; acs 600; bm Rg2; c3 "Rg2"; ce 801; pm Rg2; pv Rg2; 
8/3b4/1p1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RB2P1/3K3r/8 w - - acd 38; acs 600; bm Kc1; c3 "Kc1"; ce -795; pm Kc1; pv Kc1 Rg2; 
7r/3b4/1p1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RB2P1/3K4/8 b - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rh2+; c3 "Rh2+"; ce 826; pm Rh2+; pv Rh2+; 
7r/3b4/1p1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RBK1P1/8/8 w - - acd 37; acs 600; bm Rc2; c3 "Kd2"; ce -814; pm Rc2; pv Rc2 Rh3; 
2r5/3b4/1p1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RBK1P1/8/8 b - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rh8; c3 "Rh8"; ce 833; pm Rh8; pv Rh8 Kd2; 
2r5/3b4/1p1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P2BK1P1/8/2R5 w - - acd 38; acs 600; bm Rh1; c3 "Rc3"; ce -614; pm Rh1; pv Rh1 Rf8 c5 bxc5 bxc5 dxc5 Kd2 Nh5 Rc1 Rf2+ Ke3 Rg2 Rxc5 Rxg3+ Kd2 Nf6 Rc7 Kf4 Rb7 Rg2+ Kc1 Ra2 Rb6 Kg5 Rb1 Rxa3 Kd2 Ra2+ Kc3 Rg2 Kb4 Rg3 Bc2 Kf4 Re1 a3 Bb1 Bh3 Bc2 Re3 Ra1 Nxe4 Bb3 Bg4 Rxa3 Nd2 Ba4 Rxa3 Kxa3 e4 Bc6; 
2r5/8/1p1p1n2/1b1Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P2BK1P1/8/2R5 b - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Bd7; c3 "Bd7"; ce 653; pm Bd7; pv Bd7 Rh1 Rf8 c5 bxc5 bxc5 dxc5 Kd2 Nh5 Rc1 Rf2+ Ke3 Rg2 Rxc5 Rxg3+ Kd2 Nf6 Rc7 Kf4 Rb7 Rg2+ Kc1 Ra2 Rb6 Kg5 Rb1 Rxa3 Kd2 Ra2+ Kc3 Rg2 Kb4 Rg3 Bc2 Kf4 Re1 Rf3 Re2 a3 Bd1 Nxe4 Re1 Rg3 Rf1+ Kg5 Bc2 Nd2 Rd1 Rg4+ Kc3 Ne4+ Kb3 Rg3+ Kb4 Kf4 Bb3 Nf6 Rf1+ Rf3 Rd1; 
2r5/8/1p1p1n2/1b1Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RBK1P1/8/8 w - - acd 37; acs 600; bm Kf2; c3 "Rc1"; ce -623; pm Kf2; pv Kf2 Be8; 
8/2r5/1p1p1n2/1b1Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RBK1P1/8/8 b - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Rc8; c3 "Rc8"; ce 655; pm Rc8; pv Rc8 Rc2 Be8 Kd2 Bg6 Ke3 Rb8 Re2 Rh8 Kd2 Rh3 Re3 Rh2+ Kc1 Ng4 Re1 Be8 Bc2 Rg2 Rh1 Rxg3 Rh8 Nf6 Kb2 Rg2 Rf8 Rf2 Kc1 Rf3 Kb2 Rh3 c5 bxc5 bxc5 dxc5 d6 Bd7 Ra8 Re3 Ra7 Kf4 Ra8 c4 Bxa4 Bxa4 Rxa4 c3+ Kb3 Nxe4 Rb4 Rd3 a4 Rxd6; 
8/2r5/1p1p1n2/1b1Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RB2P1/5K2/8 w - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rc1; c3 "Ke3"; ce -660; pm Rc1; pv Rc1 Rc8 Ke2 Bd7 Kd2 Rh8 c5 bxc5 bxc5 Rh2+ Kc3 dxc5 Kc4 Rb2 Rb1 Ra2 Kxc5 Rxa3 Kc4 Ng4 Bf1 Re3 Kc5 Nf6 Kd6 Rxe4 Rc1 Re3 Ba6 Bg4 Bc4 a3 Ke7 Rxg3 Rf1 Rc3 Ba2 Rc7+ Kd6 Rc2 Bb3 Rc3 Ba2 Rf3 Rb1 e4 Kc5 Rf2 Bc4 e3 Ra1; 
8/2r5/bp1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RB2P1/5K2/8 b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Bb5; c3 "Bb5"; ce 649; pm Bb5; pv Bb5 Ke3 Rc8 Rc1 Bd7 Kd2 Rh8 c5 bxc5 bxc5 Rh2+ Kc3 dxc5 Kc4 Rb2 Kxc5 Rb3 Rd1 Ne8 Bc4 Rxa3 Rf1 Rc3 Kb4 Rc2 Re1 Nd6 Ba6 Kf6 Re3 Rd2 Kc3 Rd4 Bf1 Nxe4+ Kb2 Nd6 Rf3+ Kg5 Rf8 Rxd5 Rg8+ Kf6 Rf8+ Ke7 Rf3 e4 Rf4 Rd2+ Kc3 e3 Bd3 Rf2 Rxf2 exf2 Kb4 Ne4 Ba6 Nxg3; 
8/2r5/bp1p1n2/3Pp1k1/pPP1P3/P1RB2P1/6K1/8 w - - acd 42; acs 600; bm Kf2; c3 "Kf2"; ce -650; pm Kf2; pv Kf2 Bb5; 
8/2r5/bp1p1n1k/3Pp3/pPP1P3/P1RB2P1/6K1/8 b - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Kg5; c3 "Kg5"; ce 651; pm Kg5; pv Kg5 Kf2 Bb5 Rc1 Rc8 Ke2 Bd7 Rh1 Rf8 Rh2 Kg4 Rh1 Kxg3 Kd2 Kf4 Rf1+ Kg5 Rh1 Bg4 Kc1 Kf4 Bc2 Nxe4 Bxa4 Ra8 Bb3 Rxa3 Kb2 Ra8 Bc2 Nf6 Rh6 Rf8 Kc3 e4 Rh1 e3 Bd3 Ke5 Re1 Ne4+ Kc2 Kd4 Bxe4 Kxe4 Rg1 Be2 c5 dxc5 bxc5 bxc5 Kc3 Bb5; 
8/2r5/bp1p1n1k/3Pp3/pPP1P3/P1RB2p1/5PK1/8 w - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Kxg3; c3 "fxg3"; ce -614; pm Kxg3; pv Kxg3 Nh5+ Kf3 Nf4 Bf1 Rg7 Ke3 Rg1 Bd3 Kg5 Bc2 Re1+ Kd2 Re2+ Kd1 Rxf2 Bxa4 Bc8 Rg3+ Kh4 Rg7 Bg4+ Kc1 Bf3 Bc2 Ne2+ Kb1 Nd4 Ba4 Bxe4+ Kc1 Ne2+ Kb2 Ng3+ Kc3 Bf5 c5 dxc5 bxc5 Ne4+ Kb4 Nxc5 Be8 Rb2+ Kc3 Rb3+ Kd2 e4 Re7 Kg3 d6 Rd3+ Kc1 Rxd6 Bb5 Be6 Rh7 e3 a4; 
8/2r3k1/bp1p1n1R/3Pp3/pPP1P3/P1RB2p1/5PK1/8 b - - acd 42; acs 600; bm Kxh6; c3 "Kxh6"; ce 605; pm Kxh6; pv Kxh6 fxg3; 
8/2r3k1/bp1p1n1r/3Pp3/pPP1P3/P1RB2p1/5PK1/7R w - - acd 41; acs 600; bm fxg3; c3 "Rxh6"; ce -648; pm fxg3; pv fxg3 Rxh1; 
8/2r3k1/bp1p1nrB/3Pp3/pPP1P3/P1RB2p1/5PK1/7R b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Rxh6; c3 "Rxh6"; ce 552; pm Rxh6; pv Rxh6 Rxh6; 
8/2r3k1/bp1p1nrb/3Pp3/pPP1P3/P1RB2p1/5PK1/2B4R w - - acd 39; acs 600; bm fxg3; c3 "Bxh6+"; ce -572; pm fxg3; pv fxg3 Bxc1 Rcxc1 Ng4 Be2 Ne3+ Kf2 Nxc4 Rc3 Rf7+ Ke1 b5 Bh5 Rh6 Rh4 Rff6 Ke2 Rh8 Ke1 Rh7 Rc2 Rhh6 Rc1 Kf8 Rc3 Ke7 Be2 Rxh4 gxh4 Rf4 h5 Rxe4 Kf2 Rf4+ Ke1 Rh4 Rg3 Kf8 Rg6 Nxa3 Rxd6 Nc2+ Kf2 Nxb4 Rf6+ Kg7 Rg6+ Kh7 Kg3 Rf4 Re6 a3 Re7+ Kh6 Rxe5 a2; 
8/2r3k1/bp1p1nrb/3Pp3/pPP1Pp2/P1RB2P1/5PK1/2B4R b - - acd 41; acs 600; bm fxg3; c3 "fxg3"; ce 612; pm fxg3; pv fxg3 fxg3 Bxc1 Rhxc1 Rh6 R3c2 Ng4 Kg1 Rh3 Kg2 Rh8 Kg1 Rf7 Be2 Nf2 Kg2 Nxe4 Bg4 Ng5 Ra2 Rf6 Rac2 Bb7 Rd1 Rfh6 Rdc1 Rh2+ Kf1 Ne4 Rxh2 Rxh2 Kg1 Ra2 Re1 Nf6 Bf5 Rxa3 c5 bxc5 bxc5 Rxg3+ Kh2 Rf3 Be6 dxc5 Rxe5 a3 Rg5+ Kh6 Rg2 Bxd5; 
8/2r3k1/bp1p1nrb/3Pp3/pPP1Pp2/P1R3P1/2B2PK1/2B4R w - - acd 34; acs 600; bm c5; c3 "Bd3"; ce -509; pm c5; pv c5 bxc5; 
2b5/2r3k1/1p1p1nrb/3Pp3/pPP1Pp2/P1R3P1/2B2PK1/2B4R b - - acd 37; acs 600; bm Ba6; c3 "Ba6"; ce 531; pm Ba6; pv Ba6 c5 bxc5 bxc5 dxc5 d6 Rf7 Re1 Bb5 Rh1 Nd7 Bd1 Bc6 Rc4 Rf8 g4 Rxd6 f3 Bb5 Rc2 Bg5 Rh5 Kg6 Rh1 Rb8 Rf2 Kg7 Rc2 Rh8 Rxh8 Kxh8 Be2 Bxe2 Rxe2 Kg7 Rc2 Bh4 Rb2 Rd1; 
2b5/2r3k1/1p1p1nrb/3Pp3/pPP1Pp2/P1R3P1/2BB1PK1/7R w - - acd 39; acs 600; bm Kf1; c3 "Bc1"; ce -471; pm Kf1; pv Kf1 fxg3 Bxh6+ Rxh6 Rxg3+ Kh7 Rxh6+ Kxh6 Rc3 Kg5 Ke2 Ba6 Rg3+ Kh6 Rf3 Kg7 Ke1 Bxc4 Rg3+ Kh6 Kd2 Bb5 Rg1 Rc4 f3 Rc8 Bd1 Nh5 Be2 Bxe2 Kxe2 Rc3 Rg8 Rxa3 Rd8 Nf4+ Kd2 Ra2+ Kc3 b5 Rxd6+ Kg5 Rb6 Ne2+ Kd3 Nd4 d6 Ra3+ Kd2 Nxf3+ Kc1 Rc3+ Kb1 Rb3+ Ka2 Rxb4 d7 Rd4 Rxb5 Rxd7; 
2b4k/2r5/1p1p1nrb/3Pp3/pPP1Pp2/P1R3P1/2BB1PK1/7R b - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Kg7; c3 "Kg7"; ce 492; pm Kg7; pv Kg7; 
2b4k/2r5/1p1p1nrb/3Pp2R/pPP1Pp2/P1R3P1/2BB1PK1/8 w - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rh1; c3 "Rh1"; ce -487; pm Rh1; pv Rh1; 
2b4k/2rn4/1p1p2rb/3Pp2R/pPP1Pp2/P1R3P1/2BB1PK1/8 b - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Nf6; c3 "Nf6"; ce 488; pm Nf6; pv Nf6 Rh1 Kg7 Kg1 Bg5 c5 dxc5 bxc5 bxc5 Be1 Bd7 Rh2 Rc8 Rg2 Bb5 Bb1 Kf7 gxf4 Bxf4 Rxg6 Kxg6 Ba2 Ne8 Bc4 Bd7 f3 Nd6 Be2 Kf7 Rc2 Rg8+ Kh1 Be3 Kh2 Rh8+ Kg2 Bh3+ Kg3 Bc8 Kg2 Rg8+ Kh2 Bd7 Ba6 Ra8 Be2 Bd4 Kg2 Rg8+ Kh2 Rh8+ Kg2 c4 Bxc4; 
2b4k/2rn4/1p1p2rb/3Pp2R/pPP1Pp2/P1R3P1/3B1PK1/3B4 w - - acd 37; acs 600; bm Rh1; c3 "Bc2"; ce -362; pm Rh1; pv Rh1 Nf6 f3 Rxg3+ Kf2 Bh3 c5 bxc5 bxc5 dxc5 Ke2 Rh7 Be1 Rg2+ Bf2 Bf8 Ke1 Bd7 Rxh7+ Kxh7 Kf1 Rg7 Ke1 Bb5 Bxc5 Rc7 Bd4 Rxc3 Bxc3 Nd7 Bb2 Bd6 Be2 Bxe2 Kxe2 Nc5 Bc3 Kg6 Bb4 Kf6 Kd1 Ke7; 
2b3rk/2rn4/1p1p3b/3Pp2R/pPP1Pp2/P1R3P1/3B1PK1/3B4 b - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Rg6; c3 "Rg6"; ce 377; pm Rg6; pv Rg6; 
2b3rk/2rn4/1p1p3b/3Pp2p/pPP1Pp2/P1R3P1/3B1PK1/3B3R w - - acd 39; acs 600; bm Bxh5; c3 "Rxh5"; ce -355; pm Bxh5; pv Bxh5 Kg7 Kf1 Rh8 Rg1 Kf8 Bf3 Ba6 b5 Bc8 Rh1 Kg7 g4 Nc5 Rc2 Nb3 Bb4 Rd8 Kg2 Nd4 Rcc1 Bg5 Rc3 Kf6 Rh5 Rg7 Rd3 Rb7 Rc3 Rc7 Rh1 Rg7 Rd3 Ra7 Bc3 Nxf3 Kxf3 Rc7 Rdd1 Bd7 Rc1 Rdc8 Bb4 Bxb5 Bxd6; 
1r4r1/6k1/1p1pb1qb/p3p3/1PP1Pp1R/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/8 w - - acd 39; acs 600; bm Rd3; ce -103; pm Rd3; pv Rd3 Bg5; 
1r4rk/8/1p1pb1qb/p3p3/1PP1Pp1R/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/8 b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Kg7; c3 "Kg7"; ce 103; pm Kg7; pv Kg7 Qf3 Bg5 Rh1 Rh8 Rd3 Rxh1 Kxh1 Rh8+ Kg1 Qh6 gxf4 Qh2+ Kf1 Bh3+ Ke2 Qg1 Qxh3 Rxh3 Rxh3 Bxf4 Be1 Qg4+ Rf3 Qc8 Rc3 Kf6 bxa5 bxa5 a4 Ke7 Bd3 Qg4+ Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qh5+ Kf1 Qe8 Bc2 Qc6 Ke2 Bg5 Kf1 Qc5 Bd3 Qb4 c5 dxc5 Rc4 Qb6 Rc3 Qd6 Ke2 Qc6 f3 Qxa4 Rxc5 Qd4; 
2b4k/2rn4/1p1p3b/3Pp2p/pPP1Ppr1/P1R3P1/3B1PK1/3B3R b - - acd 39; acs 600; bm Rg8; c3 "Rg8"; ce 354; pm Rg8; pv Rg8 Bxh5 Kg7 Kf1 Rh8 Rg1 Kf8 Bf3 Ba6 b5 Bc8 Rh1 Kg7 g4 Nc5 Rc2 Nb3 Bb4 Rd8 Rc3 Nd4 Kg2 Bg5 Rh2 Kg6 Rh3 Kf6 Rh5 Rg7 Rd3 Ra7 Rc3 Rc7 Rh1 Rg7 Rd3 Nxf3 Kxf3 Ke7 Rc3 Bf6 Ke2 Bxg4+ Ke1 Rf8 f3 Bd7 Kf2 Rg3 Rh7+ Bg7 Ke2 Rf7; 
2b4k/2rn4/1p1p3b/3Pp2p/pPP1Ppr1/PR4P1/3B1PK1/3B3R w - - acd 37; acs 600; bm Rc3; c3 "Rc3"; ce -367; pm Rc3; pv Rc3 Rg8; 
1r4rk/8/1p1pb1qb/p3p3/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/7R w - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Rxh4; c3 "Rxh4"; ce -115; pm Rxh4; pv Rxh4; 
1rb3rk/8/1p1pP1qb/p3p3/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/7R b - - acd 44; acs 600; bm Bxe6; c3 "Bxe6"; ce 124; pm Bxe6; pv Bxe6; 
2b4k/2rn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Ppr1/PR4P1/3B1PK1/3B3R b - - acd 39; acs 600; bm a4; c3 "a4"; ce 331; pm a4; pv a4 Rc3; 
1rb3rk/8/1p1pn1qb/p2Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/7R w - - acd 43; acs 600; bm dxe6; c3 "dxe6"; ce -116; pm dxe6; pv dxe6 Rh1xh4; 
2b4k/2rn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Ppr1/PR4P1/2BB1PK1/7R w - - acd 39; acs 600; bm Bd1; c3 "Bd1"; ce -355; pm Bd1; pv Bd1 a4 Rc3 Rg8 Bxh5 Kg7 Be1 Nf6 Bf3 fxg3 fxg3 Ng4 c5 bxc5 Rh4 Nf6 bxc5 Rxc5 Rxc5 dxc5 Bc3 Re8 Bh5 Nxh5 Rxh5 Kg6 Rxe5 Rxe5 Bxe5 Bc1 Kf3 Bxa3 Ke3 Bb4 Kd3 a3 Kc2 c4 Kb1 Bg4; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp2/P4P1p/2BB1K2/R6R w - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Rh2; ce -155; pm Rh2; pv Rh2 axb4; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BB1K2/R6R b - - acd 44; acs 600; bm h3; c3 "h3"; ce 153; pm h3; pv h3 Rh2; 
2b3rk/2rn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1PpQ1/PR4P1/2BB1PK1/7R b - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rxg4; c3 "Rxg4"; ce 359; pm Rxg4; pv Rxg4 Bd1 a4 Rc3 Rg8 Bxh5 Kg7 f3 Rh8 g4 Bg5 Rhc1 Bh4 Rb1 Nf6 Rh1 Bg5 Be1 Nxh5 gxh5 Bd8 Bf2 Kf8 Be1 Ke8 Rc1 Rg7+ Kf1 Rgh7 Rc2 Rxh5 Rxh5 Rxh5 Kg1 Kd7 Rg2 Be7 Rg8 Kc7 Bf2 Rg5+ Rxg5 Bxg5 c5 dxc5 bxc5 Kd7 Kf1 Be7; 
1rb2nrk/8/1p1pN1qb/p2Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/7R b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Nxe6; c3 "Nxe6"; ce 80; pm Nxe6; pv Nxe6 dxe6 Bxe6 Rxh4 Kg7 Rd3 Bg5 Rh1 Rh8 Qf3 Rxh1 Kxh1 Rh8+ Kg1 Qh6 gxf4 Qh2+ Kf1 Bh3+ Ke2 Qg1 Qxh3 Rxh3 Rxh3 Bxf4 Be1 axb4 axb4 Qg4+ Rf3 Kf6 Ba4 Ke6 Bc3 Qh5 Bc6 Ke7 b5 Bh6 Bd5 Kd7 Bb4 Bf4 Bc6+ Kc7 Bc3 Bg5 Bb4 Qg4 Bd5 Bf4 Bc3 Kd7 Be1 Bc1 Bc6+ Ke7 Bc3 Ba3; 
1rb2nrk/8/1p1pN1qb/p2Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/R7 w - - acd 45; acs 600; bm Rh1; c3 "Rh1"; ce -80; pm Rh1; pv Rh1 Nxe6 dxe6 Bxe6 Rxh4 Kg7 Qf3 Bg5 Rh1 Rh8 Rd3 Rxh1 Kxh1 Rh8+ Kg1 Qh6 gxf4 Qh2+ Kf1 Bh3+ Ke2 Qg1 Qxh3 Rxh3 Rxh3 Bxf4 Be1 axb4 axb4 Qg4+ Rf3 Kf6 Ba4 Ke6 Bc3 Qh5 Bc6 Ke7 b5 Bh6 Bd5 Kd7 Bb4 Bf4 Bc6+ Kc7 Bc3 Bg5 Bb4 Qg4 Be1 Kd8 Bc3 Ke7 Bb4 Qh5 Bd5 Bf4 Bc6 Bh6 Bd5 Qg4 Bc6 Bg5; 
2b3rk/2rn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Ppq1/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/7R w - - acd 42; acs 600; bm Qxg4; c3 "Qxg4"; ce -333; pm Qxg4; pv Qxg4 Rxg4 Bd1 a4 Rc3 Rg8 Bxh5 Kg7 Kg1 Nf6 Bf3 Bg4 Bxg4 Nxg4 f3 Nf6 c5 bxc5 gxf4 Bxf4 Bxf4 exf4 bxc5 Rxc5 Rxc5 dxc5 Kf2 Rb8 Rh4 Rb2+ Ke1 Rb3 Rxf4 Rxa3 Kd2 c4 Rf5 Rd3+ Kc2 a3 d6 Nd7 Ra5 Kf7 f4 Ke6; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BBKq2/R6R w - - acd 42; acs 600; bm Kxf2; c3 "Kxf2"; ce -160; pm Kxf2; pv Kxf2; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BBKQq1/R6R b - - acd 42; acs 600; bm h3; c3 "Qxf2+"; ce 175; pm h3; pv h3 Rh2; 
2b3rk/2rn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/7R b - - acd 39; acs 600; bm Qg4; c3 "Qg4"; ce 300; pm Qg4; pv Qg4 Qxg4; 
1rb3rk/3n4/1p1pN1qb/p2Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/R7 b - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Nf8; c3 "Nf8"; ce 83; pm Nf8; pv Nf8 Rh1 Nxe6 dxe6 Bxe6 Rxh4 Kg7 Qf3 Rh8 Rd3 Bg5 Rxh8 Rxh8 Kg1 Qh7 gxf4 Qh2+ Kf1 Bh3+ Ke2 Qg1 Qxh3 Rxh3 Rxh3 Bxf4 Be1 axb4 axb4 Qg4+ Rf3 Kf6 Bd2 Ke7 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 b5 cxb5 d5 Kf2 Qh4+ Kg2 Qe1 b6 Qxb4 exd5 Qd2+ Rf2 Qxd5+ Kg3 Qc6 Rh2 Qxb6 Rh7+ Ke8 Rh8+ Kf7 Rh7+ Kg8 Kf3 Qf6+ Kg3 Qf1 Rh2 Qc4 Kf3 Kf7 Rh7+ Ke6 Be4 Qf1+ Kg3 Qe2 Rh6+ Ke7; 
2b3rk/2rn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/R7 w - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rh1; c3 "Rh1"; ce -308; pm Rh1; pv Rh1 Qg4; 
1rb3rk/3n4/1p1pN1qb/p2Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQP2/R5K1 w - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Kg2; c3 "Kg2"; ce -65; pm Kg2; pv Kg2 Nf8 Rh1 Nxe6 dxe6 Bxe6 Rxh4 Kg7 Qf3 Rh8 Rd3 Bg5 Rh1 Rxh1 Kxh1 Rh8+ Kg1 Qh6 gxf4 Qh2+ Kf1 Bh3+ Ke2 Qg1 Qxh3 Rxh3 Rxh3 Bxf4 Be1 axb4 axb4 Qg4+ Rf3 Kf6 Bd2 Ke7 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 b5 cxb5 d5 Kf2 Qh4+ Kg2 Qe1 b6 Qxb4 exd5 Qd2+ Rf2 Qxd5+ Kg3 Qc6 Rh2 Qxb6 Rh7+ Kf8 Rh8+ Kg7 Rh7+ Kg8 Kf3 Qf6+ Kg3 Qf1; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp3/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BBKQq1/RR6 w - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rh1; c3 "Rh1"; ce -154; pm Rh1; pv Rh1 h3; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1q1/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BBKQP1/RR6 b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Qxg2; c3 "Qxg2"; ce 120; pm Qxg2; pv Qxg2 Rh1; 
1rb3rk/3n4/1p1pN2b/p2Pp1q1/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQP2/R5K1 b - - acd 39; acs 600; bm Qg6; c3 "Qg6"; ce 114; pm Qg6; pv Qg6; 
2b3rk/r1Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/PR4P1/2BBQPK1/R7 b - - acd 39; acs 600; bm Rxc7; c3 "Rxc7"; ce 345; pm Rxc7; pv Rxc7; 
1rb3rk/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp1q1/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQP2/R5K1 w - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Ne6; c3 "Ne6"; ce -99; pm Ne6; pv Ne6 Qg6 Kg2 Nf8 Rh1 Nxe6 dxe6 Bxe6 Rxh4 Kg7 Rd3 Bg5 Rh1 Bxc4 Qg4 Bxd3 Bxd3 Kf6 bxa5 bxa5 Bxa5 Ke7 Bb4 fxg3 fxg3 Bf4 Qxg6 Rxg6 Rh3 Rbg8 Be1 Rh6 Rxh6 Bxh6 a4 Rb8 g4 Rb2+ Kf3 Bd2 Bh4+ Kf8 Bd8 Ra2 Bb5 Ra3+ Kf2 Kg7 g5 Kf7 Ke2 Bb4 a5 Bxa5 Bc4+ Kg7 Be7; 
2b3rk/r1Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/PR4P1/2BBQP2/R5K1 w - - acd 42; acs 600; bm Kg2; c3 "Kg2"; ce -315; pm Kg2; pv Kg2; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1q1/1PP1Pp1p/P4P2/2BB1QP1/RR3K2 w - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Ke2; c3 "Ke2"; ce -140; pm Ke2; pv Ke2 Qxg2 Rh1 Qxf2+ Kxf2 h3 Rh2 axb4 Bxb4 Rg7 Rg1 Ne8 Rxg7 Kxg7 Nxc7 Nxc7 Bxd6 Na6 Bxe5+ Kg8 Rh1 Nc5 a4 Rxa4 Bxa4 Nd3+ Ke2 Nxe5 Rd1 Kf7 d6 Ke6 Rb1 Bg7 Rxb6 Nd7 Rb1 Nc5 d7 Nxd7 Bxd7+ Kxd7 Rg1 Bf6 c5 Ba6+ Kd2 Bc4 Rg6 Be5 Rh6 Bf1 Kd1 Bg2 Ke2 Kc7 Rh5 Bd4 e5 Kc6 e6 Bxc5 Rh8; 
r1b3rk/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/PR4P1/2BBQP2/R5K1 b - - acd 42; acs 600; bm Ra7; c3 "Ra7"; ce 360; pm Ra7; pv Ra7 Kg2 Rxc7 Rh1 Qg4 Qxg4 Rxg4 Bd1 a4 Rc3 Rg8 Bxh5 Kg7 f3 Rh8 g4 Bg5 Be1 b5 c5 dxc5 d6 Rc6 bxc5 Rxc5 Bd2 Rxc3 Bxc3 Bb7 Rb1 Bc6 Rc1 Rc8 Bb4 Nb6 Rc5 Nc4 Be8 Rxe8 Rxc6 Kf7 d7 Rd8 Rc5 Rxd7 Rxb5 Rd3 Rb7+ Ke6 Ra7 Ne3+ Kf2; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BB1QP1/RR3K2 b - - acd 42; acs 600; bm h4; c3 "h4"; ce 164; pm h4; pv h4 Ke2 Qxg2 Rh1 Qxf2+ Kxf2 h3 Rh2 axb4 Bxb4 Ne8 Nxc7 Nxc7 Bxd6 Ne8 Bxe5+ Bg7 Bxg7+ Kxg7 e5 Kf8 a4 Ra7 Bd3 Ke7 Bc2 Kd8 Bd3 Rh8 Kg1 Rg7+ Kf2 Rh5 e6 Nd6 Bf1 Rg3 a5 bxa5 Rxa5 Nf5 Ra3 Ke7 Ra7+ Kd6 Rf7 Ne3 Rxf4 Nxf1 Kxf1 Ba6 e7 Kxe7 Re4+ Kd6 Kf2; 
r1b3rk/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp1q1/1PP1Pp1p/PR4P1/2BBQP2/R5K1 b - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rb8; c3 "Rb8"; ce 67; pm Rb8; pv Rb8 Ne6; 
r1b3rk/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BB1QP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 45; acs 600; bm Kf1; c3 "Kf1"; ce -145; pm Kf1; pv Kf1 h4 Ke2 Qxg2 Rh1 Qxf2+ Kxf2 h3 Rh2 axb4 Bxb4 Ne8 Nxc7 Nxc7 Bxd6 Ne8 Bxe5+ Bg7 Bxg7+ Kxg7 e5 Kf8 a4 Ra7 Bd3 Ke7 e6 Rh8 Kg1 Nd6 Kh1 Bb7 Rha2 Rg8 a5 Rg2 Rxg2 hxg2+ Kxg2 Rxa5 Rh1 Ra2+ Kg1 Ra1+ Bf1 Ba6 Rh7+ Kf6 Kf2 Rxf1+ Kxf1 Bxc4+ Kf2 Bxd5 e7 b5 Ke2 Bc4+ Kd2 b4 Kc2 Bd5 Kd3 Bxf3 Rh4 Ke5 Rh8 Bc6 Rb8 b3 Rb6; 
r1b3rk/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp1q1/1PP1Pp1p/P5P1/2BBQP2/RR4K1 w - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Rb3; c3 "Rb3"; ce -89; pm Rb3; pv Rb3 Rb8 Ne6 Qg6 Kg2 Nf8 Rh1 Nxe6 dxe6 Bxe6 Rxh4 Kg7 Qf3 Bg5 Rh1 Rh8 Rd3 Bh4 Rxd6 fxg3 fxg3 Be7 Rc6 Rbf8 Qe2 Rh3 Rxh3 Bxh3+ Kxh3 Qxc6 Kg2 Qe6 Bd1 Rh8 Qg4+ Qxg4 Bxg4 Rd8 Be1 axb4 axb4 Kf6 Be2 Ra8 Bf2 Bxb4 Bxb6 Ra6 c5 Ra2 Bd8+ Ke6 Kf1 Ra1+ Kg2 Bxc5; 
r1b3rk/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/P5P1/2BBQP2/RR4K1 w - - acd 46; acs 11100; bm Rb3; c3 "Rb3"; ce -311; pm Rb3; pv Rb3; 
r1b3rk/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P5P1/2BBQP2/RR4K1 b - - acd 46; acs 2858; bm Qh4; c3 "Qh4"; ce 328; pm Qh4; pv Qh4; 
r1b2r1k/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BB1QP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 39; acs 600; bm h4; c3 "Rg8"; ce 204; pm h4; pv h4 Kf1 axb4 Nxc7 Rxa3 Rxa3 bxa3 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Qh5 Ke2 Rg8 e7 Rg3 Ra1 h3 gxh3 Rxh3 Rg1 a2 Bc3 Qf7 Qg2 Rg3 Qh2 Qg7 Kf2 Kh7 Rh1 Rg6 Bb3 Qxe7 Kf1 Qa7 Qxa2 Qxa2 Bxa2 Rg3 Kf2 Nxe4+ fxe4 Rxc3 Bb1 Kg7 Rd1 Bg5 Rd3 Bh4+ Kg2 Rc1 Rb3 Re1 Rxb6 Re3 Rxd6 f3+ Kh3 f2+ Kg2; 
r1b2r1k/2p5/1p1p1n1b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BBQ1P1/RR4K1 w - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Qf2; c3 "Qf2"; ce -192; pm Qf2; pv Qf2 h4 Kf1 axb4 Nxc7 Rxa3 Rxa3 bxa3 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Rg8 e7 Qh5 Ke2 Rg3 Ra1 Qg5 Kf1 h3 gxh3 Qh5 Ke2 Rxh3 Rg1 a2 Bc3 Qf7 Ra1 Bg5 Qg1 Kh7 Bb3 Qh5 Rf1 Kg7 e8=Q Nxe8 Bxa2 Nf6 Bb1 Nd7 Bb4 Rh2+ Kd3 Nc5+ Kc3 Qh4 Bxc5 bxc5 Bc2 Qg3 Kb2 Be7 Rd1 Rh3; 
r1b3rk/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 45; acs 2858; bm Qf3; c3 "g3"; ce -234; pm Qf3; pv Qf3 Qh4; 
r1b2r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4P2/2BBQ1P1/RR4K1 b - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Nf6; c3 "Nf6"; ce 207; pm Nf6; pv Nf6 Qf2 h4 Kf1 axb4 Nxc7 Rxa3 Ne6 Bxe6 Rxa3 bxa3 dxe6 Qh5 e7 Rg8 Ke2 Rg3 Ra1 h3 gxh3 Rxh3 Rg1 a2 Bc3 Qf7 Ra1 Bg5 Qg1 Kh7 Bb3 Qh5 Rf1 Kg7 e8=Q Nxe8 Bxa2 Nf6 Bb1 Nd7 Bb4 Rh2+ Kd3 Nc5+ Bxc5 bxc5 Kc3 Qh4 Bc2 Qg3 Kb2 Be7 Rd1 Rg2 Qf1 Qh2 Qd3 Re2 Ra1 Kf6 Ra6 Rd2 Qc3 Rf2 Qd3; 
r1b2r1k/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 52; acs 2858; bm Rg8; c3 "Rg8"; ce 244; pm Rg8; pv Rg8 Qf3 Qh4 Rb3 Nf6 Ne6 Ng4 Be1 Bxe6 dxe6 Qh2+ Kf1 Ne3+ fxe3 fxe3 e7 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxg2+ Bf2 Qxa1 Qxg2 Qc1 Bd3 exf2 Kxf2 Re8 Qf3 Rxe7 Be2 axb4 axb4 Kg8 Rc3 Qb2 Qg2+ Kf8 Rf3+ Bf4 Qg1 Rf7 Qd1 Qxb4 Qd5 Rf6 Qa8+ Kg7 Qb7+ Rf7 Qd5 Qb1 Kg2 Qe1 Qd1 Qh4 Rh3 Qg5+ Kh1 h4 Rf3 Qg6 Qg1 Ra7 Qxg6+ Kxg6 Kg1 Kg5 Kf1 Ra1+ Kg2 Ra2 Kf2 Rd2 Rd3 Rc2 Rf3 Ra2 Kf1 Ra7; 
r1b2r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 49; acs 3534; bm f3; c3 "Nxc7"; ce -69; pm f3; pv f3 Rg8 Qf2; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1Pp/1PP1Pp2/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 50; acs 2858; bm Qxg5; c3 "Qxg5"; ce 133; pm Qxg5; pv Qxg5 Rb3 axb4 Nxc7 Nc5 Nxa8 Nxb3 Bxb3 Bh3 f3 Rxa8 Be1 Rg8 Kh2 Bxg2 axb4 Qd8 Ra7 h4 Ba4 Qg5 Bd7 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qg1+ Kh3 Qxe1 Bg4 Qg1 Ra2 Qg3+ Qxg3 hxg3 Bf3 Rc8 Be2 Kg7 Ra6 Bg5 Kg4 Be7 Bf1 Kf7 b5 Rb8 Ra7 Kf6 Ra6 Kg6 Ra7 Bf8 Kf3 Kf6 Kg4 Rc8 Kf3 Kg5 Be2 Re8 Bd3 Rb8 Kg2 Kf6 Kf3 Be7 Bf1 Rg8 Bg2 Rh8 Ra6 Rb8; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1np/1PP1Pp1P/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 50; acs 3476; bm hxg5; c3 "hxg5"; ce -48; pm hxg5; pv hxg5 Qxg5 Rb3 axb4 Rg3 Qf6 Rh3 Nc5 Rxh5 Qg6 Rh2 b3 Bd1 Nxe4 Bc1 Bf5 Qh5 Kg7 Qxg6+ Kxg6 Bxb3 Rf7 Bd1 Kg7 Bc2 Bg6 Ra2 Bg5 Bd2 Nxd2 Bxg6 Kxg6 Rxd2 e4 Kf1 Bf6 Ke2 Re7 Rh3 Kf5 Rd1 Ra4 Rc1 Kg4 Rh6 Kg5 Rh3 Be5 Rc2 Rf7 Rh1 Bf6 Rh2 Re7 Rh3 Be5 Rc1 Rf7 Rhh1 Rg7 Rh8 Kf6 Kf1; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1Np/1PP1Pp1P/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 52; acs 2858; bm Nxg5; c3 "Nxg5"; ce 143; pm Nxg5; pv Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Rb3 axb4 Nxc7 Nc5 Nxa8 Nxb3 Bxb3 Bh3 f3 Rxa8 Be1 Rg8 Kh2 Bxg2 axb4 Qd8 Ra7 h4 Ba4 Qg5 Bd7 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qg1+ Kh3 Qxe1 Bg4 Qg1 Ra2 Rg6 Rd2 Qg3+ Qxg3 hxg3 Bh5 Rg7 Ra2 Rc7 Ra8+ Kh7 Be2 Bg5 Kg2 Be7 Ra6 Kh6 Kf3 Rb7 Ra8 Bf6 Bf1 Kh5 Ra6 Be7 Ra8 Rc7 b5 Bf6 Ra6 Rb7 Bh3 Rb8 Bf5 Kg5 Bh3 Be7 Kg2 Rb7 Kf3 Kh4 Bf1 Kh5 Bg2 Bg5 Bh3 Kh4 Bg2; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1pp/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 48; acs 2858; bm hxg5; c3 "Nxg5"; ce -133; pm hxg5; pv hxg5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Qxg5 Rb3 axb4 Nxc7 Nc5 Nxa8 Nxb3 Bxb3 Bh3 f3 Rxa8 Be1 Rg8 Kh2 Bxg2 axb4 Qd8 Ra7 h4 Ba4 Qg5 Bd7 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qg1+ Kh3 Qxe1 Bg4 Qg1 Ra2 Rg6 Rd2 Qg3+ Qxg3 hxg3 Bh5 Rg7 Ra2 Rc7 Ra8+ Kg7 Be2 Kf6 Bf1 Kg5 Kg2 Bg7 Kf3 Bf6 Ra6 Rb7 Bg2 Bg7 Bh3 Rc7 Bf1 Bh6 b5 Rb7 Ra8 Bg7 Be2 Rc7 Ra6; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 51; acs 148037; bm g5 Rg8; c0 "http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68615&hilit=r1bq1r1k%2F2pn3n%2F1p1p2pb%2FpN1Pp2p%2F1PP1Pp1P%2FP4N2%2F2BBQPP1%2FRR4K1+b"; c3 "g5"; c5 "dorszcz.0890"; ce 170; id "dorszcz.0890"; pm g5 Rg8; pv Rg8 Qd3; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P4/3Pp2p/r6P/P4Nn1/3bBK2/RR6 b - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rf4; ce 110; pm Rf4; pv Rf4 Ne6; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P4/3Pp2p/r6P/P4Nn1/3bB3/RR3K2 w - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Kf2; c3 "Kf2"; ce -99; pm Kf2; pv Kf2; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P4/3Pp2p/r3n2P/P4N2/3bB3/RR3K2 b - - acd 46; acs 600; bm Ng3+; c3 "Ng3+"; ce 111; pm Ng3+; pv Ng3+ Kf2 Rf4 Ne6 Ne4+ Kf1 Rf6 Bd1 Nxd6 Ra2 Be3 Ke1 Rg3 Rb3 e4 Rxe3 exf3 Bxf3 Rfxf3 Rxf3 Rxf3 a4 Ne5 Re2 Ndc4 Re4 Ra3 d6 Rxa4 Nf4 Ra1+ Ke2 Ra2+ Kd1 Rd2+ Kc1 Rxd6 Nxh5 Rd3 Nf4 Rc3+ Kd1 Kh7 Ne6 Kg6 Nd4 Kh6 Ke1 Kh5 Ne2 Ra3 Nf4+ Kh6 Kf2 Ng4+ Kg2 Nce5 Nd5 Ra2+ Kg3; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P4/3Pp2p/r3n2P/P4N2/3bBK2/RR6 w - - acd 45; acs 600; bm Kf1; c3 "Kf1"; ce -158; pm Kf1; pv Kf1 Ng3+; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P1n2/3Pp2p/r3P2P/P4N2/3bBK2/RR6 b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Nxe4+; c3 "Nxe4+"; ce 180; pm Nxe4+; pv Nxe4+ Kf1; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P1n2/3Pp2p/r3P2P/P4N2/3bBp2/RR4K1 w - - acd 46; acs 600; bm Kxf2; c3 "Kxf2"; ce -200; pm Kxf2; pv Kxf2 Nxe4+; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P1n2/3Pp2p/r3P2P/P4Np1/3bBP2/RR4K1 b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm gxf2+; c3 "gxf2+"; ce 179; pm gxf2+; pv gxf2+; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P1n2/3Pp2p/r3P2P/P5p1/3bBP1N/RR4K1 w - - acd 44; acs 600; bm Nf3; c3 "Nf3"; ce -174; pm Nf3; pv Nf3; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P1n2/3Pp2p/r3P1pP/P7/3bBP1N/RR4K1 b - - acd 47; acs 600; bm g3; c3 "g3"; ce 171; pm g3; pv g3 Nf3 gxf2+ Kxf2 Nxe4+ Kf1 Ng3+ Kf2 Rf4 Ne6 Ne4+ Kf1 Rf6 Rb7 Ndc5 Rc7 Ng3+ Kg2 Nxe6 dxe6 Nxe2+ Kf2 Nf4 Rf7 Rxe6 d7 Nh3+ Kf1 Bf4 Rd1 Rd8 Rd5 Kg8 Rf5 e4 Ng1 Nxg1 Rxf4 Nf3 a4 Kg7 a5 Nh2+ Ke2 Ng4 Rxh5 Nf6 Rg5+ Kf8 h5 Rxd7 h6 Rh7 Rh4 Kf7 Rb5 Ra6 Rb7+ Kg6 Rb6 Rxa5 Rf4 Rf5 Rxe4 Kh5 Rc4 Re7+ Kd2 Kxh6 Kc1 Kg7 Kb2 Nd5 Rb3 Kf7 Rc8 Rf1 Rc1 Rf2+ Rc2 Rf4 Rd2 Nf6 Ka1; 
6rk/2Nn4/3P1n2/3Pp2p/r3P1pP/P2B4/3bpP1N/RR4K1 w - - acd 46; acs 600; bm Bxe2; c3 "Bxe2"; ce -158; pm Bxe2; pv Bxe2 g3 Nf3 gxf2+ Kxf2 Nxe4+ Kf1 Ng3+ Kf2 Rf4 Ne6 Ne4+ Kf1 Rf6 Rb7 Ndc5 Rc7 Ng3+ Kg2 Nxe6 dxe6 Nxe2+ Kf2 Nf4 Rf7 Rxe6 d7 Nh3+ Kf1 Bf4 Rd1 Rd8 Rd5 Kg8 Rf5 e4 Ng1 Nxg1 Rxf4 Nf3 a4 Kg7 a5 Nh2+ Ke2 Ng4 Rxh5 Nf6 Rg5+ Kf8 h5 Rxd7 h6 Rh7 Rh4 Kf7 Rb5 Ra6 Rb7+ Kg6 Rb6 Rxa5 Rf4 Rf5 Rxe4 Kh5 Rc4 Re7+ Kd2 Kxh6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Ra7 Rb3 Nd7 Kb1 Rf1+ Rc1 Rf4 Rb2 Rfa4 Rb3 Ne5 Rh3 Kf6 Kc2 Ra2+ Kd1 Ke6 Rh6+ Kf5; 
r5rk/2Nn4/3P1n2/3Pp2p/4P1pP/P2B4/3bpP1N/RR4K1 b - - acd 46; acs 600; bm Ra4; c3 "Ra4"; ce 153; pm Ra4; pv Ra4 Bxe2 g3 Nf3 gxf2+ Kxf2 Nxe4+ Kf1 Ng3+ Kf2 Rf4 Ne6 Ne4+ Kf1 Rf6 Rb7 Ndc5 Rc7 Ng3+ Kg2 Nxe6 dxe6 Nxe2+ Kf2 Nf4 Rf7 Rxe6 d7 Nh3+ Kf1 Bf4 Rd1 Rd8 Rd5 Kg8 Rf5 e4 Ng1 Nxg1 Rxf4 Nf3 a4 Kg7 a5 Nh2+ Ke2 Ng4 Rxh5 Nf6 Rg5+ Kf8 h5 Rxd7 h6 Rh7 Rh4 Kf7 Rb5 Ra6 Rb7+ Kg6 Rb6 Rxa5 Rf4 Rf5 Rxe4 Kh5 Rc4 Re7+ Kd2 Kxh6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Nd5 Rb3 Rf2+ Rc2 Rf4 Rc1 Kf7 Ra3 Ne3 Ka1 Rf3 Ra6; 
r5rk/3n4/N2P1n2/3Pp2p/4P1pP/P2B4/3bpP1N/RR4K1 w - - acd 44; acs 600; bm Nc7; c3 "Nc7"; ce -173; pm Nc7; pv Nc7 Ra4; 
r5rk/3n3n/N2P4/3Pp2p/4P1pP/P2B4/3bpP1N/RR4K1 b - - acd 47; acs 600; bm Nhf6; c3 "Nhf6"; ce 162; pm Nhf6; pv Nhf6 Nc7 Ra4 Bxe2 g3 Nf3 gxf2+ Kxf2 Nxe4+ Kf1 Ng3+ Kf2 Rf4 Ne6 Ne4+ Kf1 Rf6 Rb7 Ndc5 Rc7 Ng3+ Kg2 Nxe6 dxe6 Nxe2+ Kf2 Nf4 Rf7 Rxe6 d7 Nh3+ Kf1 Bf4 Rd1 Rd8 Rd5 Kg8 Rf5 e4 Ng1 Nxg1 Rxf4 Nf3 a4 Kg7 a5 Nh2+ Ke2 Ng4 Rxh5 Nf6 Rg5+ Kf8 h5 Rxd7 h6 Rh7 Rh4 Kf7 Rb5 Ra6 Rb7+ Kg6 Rb6 Rxa5 Rf4 Rf5 Rxe4 Kh5 Rc4 Re7+ Kd2 Kxh6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Nd5 Rb3 Kf7 Rh3 Kf6 Rb3 Rf1 Rc1 Rf2+ Rc2 Rf4 Rb8 Kf7 Rd2 Nf6; 
r5rk/3n3n/N2P4/3Pp2p/4P1pP/P7/2BbpP1N/RR4K1 w - - acd 47; acs 600; bm Bd3; c3 "Bd3"; ce -163; pm Bd3; pv Bd3 Nhf6 Nc7 Ra4 Bxe2 g3 Nf3 gxf2+ Kxf2 Nxe4+ Kf1 Ng3+ Kf2 Rf4 Ne6 Ne4+ Kf1 Rf6 Rb7 Ndc5 Rc7 Ng3+ Kg2 Nxe6 dxe6 Nxe2+ Kf2 Nf4 Rf7 Rxe6 d7 Nh3+ Kf1 Bf4 Rd1 Rd8 Rd5 Kg8 Rf5 e4 Ng1 Nxg1 Rxf4 Nf3 a4 Kg7 a5 Nh2+ Ke2 Ng4 Rxh5 Nf6 Rg5+ Kf8 h5 Rxd7 h6 Rh7 Rh4 Kf7 Rb5 Ra6 Rb7+ Kg6 Rb6 Rxa5 Rf4 Rf5 Rxe4 Kh5 Rc4 Re7+ Kd2 Kxh6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Ra5 Rbc6 Kf7 Kb3; 
r5rk/3n3n/N2P3b/3Pp2p/4P1pP/P7/2BBpP1N/RR4K1 b - - acd 47; acs 600; bm Bxd2; c3 "Bxd2"; ce 169; pm Bxd2; pv Bxd2; 
r5rk/3n3n/N2P3b/3Pp2p/4P1pq/P5P1/2BBpP1N/RR4K1 w - - acd 47; acs 600; bm gxh4; c3 "gxh4"; ce -160; pm gxh4; pv gxh4 Bxd2 Bd3 Nhf6 Nc7 Ra4 Bxe2 g3 Nf3 gxf2+ Kxf2 Nxe4+ Kf1 Ng3+ Kf2 Rf4 Ne6 Ne4+ Kf1 Rf6 Rb7 Ndc5 Rc7 Ng3+ Kg2 Nxe6 dxe6 Nxe2+ Kf2 Nf4 Rf7 Rxe6 d7 Nh3+ Kf1 Bf4 Rd1 Rd8 Rd5 Kg8 Rf5 e4 Ng1 Nxg1 Rxf4 Nf3 a4 Kg7 a5 Nh2+ Ke2 Ng4 Rxh5 Nf6 Rg5+ Kf8 h5 Rxd7 h6 Rh7 Rh4 Kf7 Rb5 Ra6 Rb7+ Kg6 Rb6 Rxa5 Rf4 Rf5 Rxe4 Kh5 Rc4 Re7+ Kd2 Kxh6 Kc2 Kg7 Kb2 Nd5 Rb3 Rf1 Rc1 Rf4 Ra3 Kg8 Ka1; 
N5rk/8/1p1p1n2/p2Pp2p/1PP1P1bq/P2QbpP1/2B2P2/RR2B1K1 w - - acd 17; acs 421; bm gxh4; ce -32751; dm -8; pm gxh4; pv gxh4 Bh3+ Kh1 Bg2+ Kg1 Rg3 Qf1 Bxf1+ Kh1 Rh3+ Kg1 Bg2 fxe3 Ng4 bxa5 Rh1+; 
N5rk/8/1p1p1n1b/p2Pp2p/1PP1P1bq/P2Q1pP1/2B2P2/RR2B1K1 b - - acd 19; acs 600; bm Be3; c3 "Be3"; ce 32750; dm 9; pm Be3; pv Be3 gxh4 Bh3+ Kh1 Bg2+ Kg1 Rg3 Qf1 Bxf1+ Kh1 Rh3+ Kg1 Bg2 fxe3 Ng4 bxa5 Rh1+; 
r5rk/3n3n/N2P3b/3Pp2p/4P1pq/P4pP1/2BBQP1N/RR4K1 b - - acd 42; acs 600; bm Bxd2; c3 "fxe2"; ce 167; pm Bxd2; pv Bxd2 gxh4; 
r5rk/3n3n/N2P3b/3Pp2p/4P1pq/P4p2/2BBQPPN/RR4K1 w - - acd 42; acs 600; bm g3; c3 "g3"; ce -191; pm g3; pv g3 fxe2; 
N5rk/8/1p1p1n1b/p2Pp2p/1PP1P1bq/P2Q1p2/2B2PP1/RR2B1K1 w - - acd 19; acs 600; bm Bd2; c3 "g3"; ce -32749; dm -9; pm Bd2; pv Bd2 fxg2 f3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Ng4 Qxg4 hxg4 Kxg2 Qh3+ Kf2 Qh2+ Ke1 Qxd2+ Kf1 Be3 a4 Qf2+; 
N5rk/8/1p1p1n1b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Ppbq/P2Q4/2B2PP1/RR2B1K1 b - - acd 21; acs 600; bm f3; c3 "f3"; ce 32748; dm 10; pm f3; pv f3 Rb3 fxg2 Qh3 Bxh3 f3 Qf4 Bf2 Ng4 fxg4 Rf8 Rf3 Qxf3 Bxb6 Qf1+ Rxf1 gxf1=Q+ Kh2 Bf4+; 
r5rk/3n3n/N2P3b/3Pp2p/4Pppq/P7/2BBQPPN/RR4K1 b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm f3; c3 "f3"; ce 157; pm f3; pv f3; 
r5rk/2Nn3n/b2P3b/3Pp2p/4Pppq/P7/2BBQPPN/RR4K1 w - - acd 44; acs 600; bm Nxa6; c3 "Nxa6"; ce -149; pm Nxa6; pv Nxa6 f3; 
N5rk/8/1p1p1n1b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Ppbq/P4Q2/2B2PP1/RR2B1K1 w - - acd 35; acs 600; bm Bd1; c3 "Qd3"; ce -1178; pm Bd1; pv Bd1; 
N1b3rk/8/1p1p1n1b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/P4Q2/2B2PP1/RR2B1K1 b - - acd 39; acs 600; bm Bg4; c3 "Bg4"; ce 1286; pm Bg4; pv Bg4; 
r1b3rk/2Nn3n/3P3b/3Pp2p/4Pppq/P7/2BBQPPN/RR4K1 b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Ba6; c3 "Ba6"; ce 198; pm Ba6; pv Ba6 Nxa6 f3 g3 fxe2 gxh4 Bxd2 Bd3 Nhf6 Bxe2 g3 Nf1 gxf2+ Kxf2 Nxe4+ Kf3 Rg4 Nxd2 Nxd2+ Ke3 Nxb1 Rxb1 Rxh4 Rb7 Nf6 d7 Nxd5+ Kf2 Rf8+ Ke1 Nf4 Bb5 Ng2+ Kd2 Rd4+ Kc2 h4 Rb6 Kg7 Nc5 Nf4 Ne6+ Nxe6 Rxe6 h3 Re7+ Kg6 Rxe5 h2 Re1 Rd5 a4 Rh8 Rh1 Kg5 Kc3 Kf6 Kc4 Rhh5 Kb3 Rd4 Kc3 Rd6; 
N1b3rk/8/1p1p1n1b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/P4Q2/2BB1PP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 37; acs 600; bm Rb3; c3 "Be1"; ce -765; pm Rb3; pv Rb3 a4; 
r1b3rk/2pn3n/3P3b/1N1Pp2p/4Pppq/P7/2BBQPPN/RR4K1 w - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Nxc7; c3 "Nxc7"; ce -201; pm Nxc7; pv Nxc7 Ba6 Nxa6 f3 g3 Bxd2 gxh4 fxe2 Bd3 Nhf6 Nc7 Ra4 Bxe2 g3 Nf3 gxf2+ Kxf2 Nxe4+ Kf1 Ng3+ Kf2 Rf4 Ne6 Ne4+ Kf1 Rf6 Rb7 Ndc5 Rc7 Ng3+ Kg2 Nxe6 dxe6 Nxe2+ Kf2 Nf4 Rf7 Rxe6 d7 Nh3+ Kf1 Bf4 Rd1 Rd8 Rd5 Kg8 Rf5 e4 Ng1 Nxg1 Rxf4 Nf3 a4 Kg7 Ke2 Re5 Rxe5 Nxe5 Rxe4 Kf6 a5 Rxd7 Rf4+ Ke6 a6 Ra7 Ra4 Nc6 Kf2 Kf5 Ra3 Kg6 Kg3 Nb8 Rb3 Nxa6 Rb6+ Kh7 Rb5; 
N1b3rk/3n4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/P4Q2/2BB1PP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 37; acs 600; bm Nf6; c3 "Nf6"; ce 839; pm Nf6; pv Nf6; 
r1bq2rk/2pn3n/3P3b/1N1Pp2p/4PppP/P7/2BBQPPN/RR4K1 b - - acd 43; acs 600; bm Qxh4; c3 "Qxh4"; ce 202; pm Qxh4; pv Qxh4; 
r1bq2rk/2pn3n/3p3b/1NPPp2p/4PppP/P7/2BBQPPN/RR4K1 w - - acd 32; acs 600; bm g3; c3 "cxd6"; ce -246; pm g3; pv g3 Nxc5; 
r1b3rk/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp2p/1PP1Pp1q/P4Q2/2BB1PP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 41; acs 600; bm Rb3; c3 "Nxa8"; ce -223; pm Rb3; pv Rb3 Nf6 Ne6 Ng4 Be1 Qh2+ Kf1 Ne3+ fxe3 Bxe6 dxe6 fxe3 e7 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxg2+ Bf2 Qxa1 Qxg2 Qc1 Bd3 exf2 Kxf2 Re8 Be2 Rxe7 Qf3 axb4 axb4 Kg8 Rc3 Qb2 Qg2+ Kf8 Rf3+ Bf4 Qg1 Rf7 Qd1 Qxb4 Qd5 Kg7 Kg2 Qe1 Qd1 Qh4 Rh3 Qg5+ Kh1 h4 Rf3 Qg6 Qg1 Ra7 Qxg6+ Kxg6 Kg1 Kg5 Kf2 Ra2 Kf1 Rd2 Rd3 Rxd3 Bxd3; 
r1b3rk/2Nn4/1p1p3b/p2Pp1qp/1PP1Pp2/P4Q2/2BB1PP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 45; acs 600; bm Nf6; c3 "Qh4"; ce 215; pm Nf6; pv Nf6 Ne6; 
r1bq2rk/2p4n/1n1p3b/1NPPp2p/4PppP/P7/2BBQPPN/RR4K1 b - - acd 34; acs 600; bm Nd7; c3 "Nd7"; ce 246; pm Nd7; pv Nd7 g3; 
r1bq2rk/2p4n/1n1p3b/1NPPp2p/4PppP/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 36; acs 600; bm Ng5; c3 "Nh2"; ce -110; pm Ng5; pv Ng5 Bxg5; 
r1bq2rk/2p4n/1n1p3b/1NPPp1pp/4Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 37; acs 600; bm g4; c3 "g4"; ce 164; pm g4; pv g4; 
r1bq2rk/2p4n/1n1p3b/1N1Pp1pp/2P1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 34; acs 600; bm Bc3; c3 "c5"; ce -196; pm Bc3; pv Bc3; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1Np/1PP1Pp2/P7/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 37; acs 600; bm Qxg5; c3 "Qxg5"; ce 62; pm Qxg5; pv Qxg5 Rb3; 
r1bq2rk/2pn3n/1P1p3b/1N1Pp1pp/2P1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 38; acs 600; bm Nxb6; c3 "Nxb6"; ce 165; pm Nxb6; pv Nxb6 Bc3 Nd7 hxg5 Nxg5 Kf1 Nf6 c5 Ng4 Ke1 Nxf3+ gxf3 Nh2 Kd2 Bg4 Qc4 Nxf3+ Kc1 dxc5 Kb2 Qe7 a4 Nd4 Rh1 Be2 Bd3 Bf3 Bxd4 exd4 Rh2 Rgb8 Rc1 Qe5 Qxc5 Rxa4 Qxc7 Rb4+ Ka3 Qxc7 Rxc7 R4xb5 Bxb5 Rxb5 Ka4; 
r1bq2rk/2pn3n/1p1p3b/PN1Pp1pp/2P1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 36; acs 600; bm Ne1; c3 "axb6"; ce -148; pm Ne1; pv Ne1; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn4/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1np/1PP1Pp2/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Nxg5; c3 "Nxg5"; ce -72; pm Nxg5; pv Nxg5; 
r1bq2rk/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/PN1Pp2p/2P1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 35; acs 600; bm g5; c3 "g5"; ce 156; pm g5; pv g5 axb6; 
r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p3b/pN1Pp1Pp/1PP1Pp2/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - acd 40; acs 600; bm Nxg5; c3 "Nxg5"; ce 92; pm Nxg5; pv Nxg5; 
r1bq2rk/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 w - - acd 35; acs 600; bm Qd3; c3 "bxa5"; ce -98; pm Qd3; pv Qd3 g5; 
After all the forwards and backwards analysis, at 45 plies I had g5, but then it switched to Rg8.

I am trying to really prove the superiority of g5 over Rg8, but I cannot get a clear answer.
Any opinions?
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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

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mwyoung wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:22 am
Dann Corbit wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:04 am Attached you will find the raw analysis (from back to front) of your original positions one by one.
It shows each ply of search.

I plan (over the weekend) to analyze both positions (after the pawn move and after the rook move) at 24 hours for a more definite result. (I am speaking of the root position after g5 and Rg8).

I no longer have the raw analysis for the Rook move, which was made some weeks ago.
I could not find a win with g5 or Rg8.

So I give Lc0. Four hours in deep analysis mode to show a win. Below is the Lc0 claimed win with Rg8 with a +10 score. I don't know if it can be refuted. As it just finished the analysis. But it does think Rg8, and not g5 is the way to win the game.
[pgn] [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "New game"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - 0 1"] [PlyCount "61"] {[#]} 1... Rg8 (1... Rf7 2. Kh2 (2. Kf1 g5 (2... Ndf6 3. Bc3 g5 4. hxg5 Nxg5 5. bxa5 bxa5 6. Ke1 Rh7 7. Nxg5 Bxg5 8. f3 Ng4 9. Kd2 Ne3 10. Rh1 h4 11. Kc1 Bf6 12. Bd2 Bd7 13. Rb1 Rg7 14. Bxe3 fxe3 15. Kb2 Bg5 16. Ka2 Bh6 17. Qe1 Rg3 18. Rb2 Rb8 19. a4 Kh7 20. Bd1 c6 21. dxc6 Bxc6 22. Qg1 Kg6 23. Bb3 Bd7 24. Qh2 Bg5 25. Rd1 Rb6 26. Qg1 Be6 27. Qe1 Rc6 28. Na7 Rc7 29. Nb5 Rd7 30. Nc3 Kh7 31. Qe2 Qc8 $17 {-1.46/13}) 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Qe1 Nf6 5. Nxg5 Bxg5 6. f3 Rg7 7. Ke2 Bd7 8. bxa5 bxa5 9. a4 Ne8 10. Bd3 Bh4 11. Qh1 Qg5 12. Rg1 Bg3 13. c5 dxc5 14. Bc3 c4 15. Bxc4 h4 16. Rab1 Qe7 17. Rgc1 Kh7 18. Qf1 Ra6 19. Kd3 Rag6 20. Rb2 Bh2 21. Rcb1 Nd6 22. Nxd6 Qxd6 23. Qf2 h3 24. Rh1 Bg3 25. Qa7 Bh4 26. Bb5 c6 27. Bxc6 Bxc6 28. Qb8 Qxb8 29. Rxb8 hxg2 30. Rxh4+ Rh6 31. Rxh6+ Kxh6 32. Rb1 $19 { -3.12/23}) (2. Qe1 g5 (2... Rg7) 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Kf1 Nf6 5. Nxg5 Bxg5 6. f3 h4 7. Ke2 Rg7 8. bxa5 bxa5 9. Bxa5 Nh7 10. Kd3 Bf6 11. Nxc7 Rxc7 12. Ba4 Ba6 13. Bb5 Nf8 14. c5 Bxb5+ 15. Rxb5 Qe8 16. c6 Rg7 17. Qb4 Be7 18. Qb2 Ne6 19. Rc1 Nd4 20. Rb7 h3 21. Rh1 Kg8 22. Rxh3 Rxa5 23. c7 Kf7 24. Rb8 Qa4 25. c8=Q Qd1+ 26. Kc4 Rc5+ 27. Qxc5 dxc5 28. Rb7 Qa4+ 29. Kd3 Qa6+ 30. Kc3 Qa5+ 31. Kc4 Kg8 $19 {-6.66/18}) (2. bxa5 g5 (2... bxa5 3. Qe1 Bf8 4. Bxa5 Nc5 5. Bb4 Na6 6. Qc3 Bg4 7. c5 Bxf3 8. gxf3 Qxh4 9. Kg2 dxc5 10. Ba5 Qg5+ 11. Kf1 h4 12. Ke2 Bd6 13. Rh1 Qh5 14. Rag1 Nf6 15. Kf1 Nb8 16. a4 Na6 17. Qb3 g5 18. Bd1 Rg7 19. Bc3 Nb4 20. Bxb4 cxb4 21. Nxd6 cxd6 22. Qxb4 Rd8 23. a5 Qe8 24. Be2 Qd7 25. Kg2 Rdg8 26. Rh2 Rh7 27. Rgh1 Qc7 28. a6 Rb8 29. Qa3 Qb6 30. Rh3 Kg8 31. Qd3 Qb2 $11 { 0.15/15}) 3. axb6 Nxb6 4. Nxe5 dxe5 5. Qxh5 Qf6 6. d6 gxh4 7. Nxc7 h3 8. Bd1 Nxc4 9. Be1 Rg7 10. Nxa8 Rxg2+ 11. Kh1 Rg5 12. Rb8 Bf8 13. Qf3 h2 14. Be2 Bg4 15. Qxg4 Rxg4 16. Bxg4 Qxd6 17. Rab1 Qg6 18. f3 Ne3 19. R8b6 Qf7 20. Rb8 Qc4 21. Bh4 Nxg4 22. fxg4 f3 23. R8b2 Qxe4 24. Nc7 Bxa3 25. Rb8+ Nf8 26. Ne6 Qxg4 27. Bf6+ Kg8 28. Nf4 exf4 29. R8b2 Bxb2 30. Rg1 hxg1=Q# {#0/0}) 2... Ndf6 (2... g5 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Nh4 Nf6 5. Rh1 axb4 6. f3 Ngh7 7. Be1 Bg5 8. Kg1 bxa3 9. Rxa3 Rxa3 10. Nxa3 Nf8 11. Nb5 Rh7 12. Ba4 Bxh4 13. Bxh4 Ng6 14. Bg5 Kg7 15. Qe1 Ba6 16. Na3 Kf7 17. Rh2 Qh8 18. Bc6 h4 19. Nb5 Bxb5 20. cxb5 h3 21. g4 Nf8 22. Bxf6 Kxf6 23. Kh1 Ng6 24. g5+ Kg7 25. Bd7 Qd8 26. Bxh3 Qxg5 27. Bg4 Rxh2+ 28. Kxh2 Qd8 29. Kg2 Qe8 30. Qc1 Qe7 31. Bh5 Nf8 $17 {-1.27/14}) 3. bxa5 Ng4+ 4. Kg1 bxa5 5. Ba4 Ngf6 6. c5 Bg4 7. Rc1 Bf8 8. cxd6 Bxd6 9. Bc3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 Rg7 11. Qh3 g5 12. Kf1 Qe7 13. Qe6 Nxe4 14. Qxe7 Rxe7 15. hxg5 Nhxg5 16. Bd1 h4 17. Be1 Rg8 18. Rc4 Nf6 19. Nxd6 h3 20. gxh3 cxd6 21. Bxa5 Nxh3 22. Rb1 Reg7 23. Bb6 Nxd5 24. Rb3 Rg1+ 25. Ke2 Rh1 26. Ba7 Nf6 27. Bc2 d5 28. Rc6 Ng1+ 29. Kd2 Ne4+ 30. Kc1 Nh3+ 31. Kb2 Nhxf2 $19 {-2.36/15}) (1... a4 2. Kh2 (2. Kf1) ( 2. Qd3) (2. c5) 2... Ndf6 (2... g5 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Rh1 Nxf3+ 5. Qxf3 Nf6 6. Kg1 Rf7 7. Qd3 Qg8 8. Bd1 Qg6 9. Bf3 Bg4 10. Nc3 Rg8 11. Kf1 Bxf3 12. Qxf3 Rfg7 13. Rh2 Ng4 14. Rh1 Nf6 15. Rh2 Ng4 16. Rh1 Nf6 17. Rh2 Ng4 18. Rh1 Nf6 19. Rh2 Ng4 20. Rh1 Nf6 21. Rh2 Ng4 22. Rh3 Nf6 23. Rh2 Ng4 24. Rh3 Nf6 25. Rh2 Ng4 26. Rh3 Nf6 27. Rh2 Ng4 28. Rh3 Nf6 29. Rh2 Ng4 30. Rh3 Nf6 31. Rh2 Ng4 $11 {0.00/2}) 3. Rh1 g5 4. hxg5 Nxg5 5. Kg1 Nxf3+ 6. Qxf3 Rf7 7. Qd3 Qg8 8. Bd1 Qg6 9. Bf3 Bg4 10. Nc3 Rg8 11. Kf1 Bxf3 12. Qxf3 Rfg7 13. Rh2 Ng4 14. Rh1 Nf6 15. Rh2 Ng4 16. Rh1 Nf6 17. Rh2 Ng4 18. Rh1 Nf6 19. Rh2 Ng4 20. Rh1 Nf6 21. Rh2 Ng4 22. Rh3 Nf6 23. Rh2 Ng4 24. Rh3 Nf6 25. Rh2 Ng4 26. Rh3 Nf6 27. Rh2 Ng4 28. Rh3 Nf6 29. Rh2 Ng4 30. Rh3 Nf6 31. Rh2 Ng4 $11 {0.00/2}) (1... Ndf6 2. bxa5 (2. Nbd4) (2. Bc3) (2. c5) 2... bxa5 (2... Rg8 3. axb6 cxb6 4. Bb4 Bf8 5. Kf1 g5 6. hxg5 Nxg5 7. Ke1 Nxf3+ 8. Qxf3 Bg4 9. Qd3 Bc8 10. Qf3 Bg4 11. Qd3 Bc8 12. Qf3 Bg4 13. Qd3 Bc8 14. Qf3 Bg4 15. Qd3 Bc8 16. Qf3 Bg4 17. Qd3 Bc8 18. Qf3 Bg4 19. Qd3 Bc8 20. Qf3 Bg4 21. Qd3 Bc8 22. Qf3 Bg4 23. Qd3 Bc8 24. Qf3 Bg4 25. Qd3 Bc8 26. Qf3 Bg4 27. Qd3 Bc8 28. Qf3 Bg4 29. Qd3 Bc8 30. Qf3 Bg4 31. Qd3 Bc8 $11 {0.00/2}) 3. Qe1 Bg4 4. Bxa5 Ne8 5. Qc3 Bxf3 6. gxf3 g5 7. Kg2 Rg8 8. Rh1 g4 9. Bb4 Qd7 10. Rag1 Nhf6 11. Kf1 Bf8 12. Ke2 c6 13. dxc6 Qxc6 14. Bb3 Rb8 15. Rd1 Rg7 16. a4 Nd7 17. Na7 Qb6 18. Nb5 Nef6 19. Bxd6 Bxd6 20. Rxd6 Qc5 21. Rf1 gxf3+ 22. Qxf3 Ng4 23. Rfd1 Ndf6 24. R6d5 Qb4 25. Rd6 Qc5 26. R6d5 Qb4 27. Rd6 Kh7 28. R1d3 Rc8 29. Rc3 Rg6 30. Rd2 Rb8 31. Rcd3 Rbg8 $15 {-0.49/22}) (1... g5 2. Nxg5 (2. hxg5 Nxg5 (2... Bxg5 3. bxa5 Nc5 4. axb6 cxb6 5. Kh2 Be7 6. Rh1 Bg4 7. Bb4 Qc8 8. Kg1 Ng5 9. Kf1 Kg7 10. Bd1 Ngxe4 11. Bc2 Ng5 12. Re1 Rh8 13. Bxc5 Qxc5 14. Qd3 Rh6 15. a4 Rc8 16. Nbd4 exd4 17. Rxe7+ Kf6 18. Re2 Qxc4 19. Rxh5 Qxd3 20. Rxh6+ Kg7 21. Bxd3 Kxh6 22. Rb2 Bxf3 23. gxf3 Nxf3 24. Rxb6 Ne5 25. Rxd6+ Kg5 26. Ke2 Rc3 27. Bb5 Ra3 28. Kd1 d3 29. Rc6 Ng4 30. Ke1 Ra1+ 31. Kd2 Nxf2 $11 { -0.08/11}) 3. Nxg5 Qxg5 4. Nxc7 Rg8 5. Qf3 Nf6 6. Nxa8 Bg4 7. Qd3 h4 8. Kf1 h3 9. gxh3 Qh5 10. Rb3 Be2+ 11. Qxe2 Rg1+ 12. Kxg1 Qxe2 13. bxa5 Qxd2 14. a6 Qxc2 15. Nxb6 Nxe4 16. Rf1 Qxb3 17. a7 Qxh3 18. a8=Q+ Kh7 19. Qc8 Qh5 20. Re1 Ng5 21. Qf5+ Kh8 22. Qc8+ Kg7 23. Qd7+ Nf7 24. Qe6 f3 25. Re4 Bf4 26. Rxf4 exf4 27. Nd7 Qg5+ 28. Kf1 Qg2+ 29. Ke1 Qg1+ 30. Kd2 Qxf2+ 31. Kd3 Qf1+ $19 {-8.24/18}) ( 2. bxa5) 2... Bxg5 (2... Ndf6 3. Nf3 Rg8 4. Kf1 Qd7 5. Rb3 axb4 6. Bxb4 Rg6 7. Ke1 Rxg2 8. Qf1 Rg8 9. Kd2 Qd8 10. a4 Bg4 11. Kc1 Bf8 12. Kb2 Ne8 13. a5 bxa5 14. Rxa5 c5 15. Rxa8 Qxa8 16. Be1 Be7 17. Qh1 Rg7 18. Ra3 Qd8 19. Na7 Qb6+ 20. Nb5 Qb8 21. Nd2 Nc7 22. Bd3 Bd7 23. Qf1 Qc8 24. Be2 Nf6 25. f3 Nfe8 26. Bf2 Kh7 27. Qa1 Qd8 28. Qh1 Qb8 29. Qb1 Qd8 30. Qh1 Qb8 31. Qb1 Rg2 $11 {-0.19/11}) 3. hxg5 Rg8 4. Qxh5 Rxg5 5. Qh1 Ndf6 6. Kf1 Qe7 7. bxa5 bxa5 8. Ke2 Qg7 9. Re1 Rxg2 10. Kd3 Rxf2 11. Rg1 Qf7 12. Rae1 Bd7 13. Bd1 Bxb5 14. cxb5 Rg8 15. Be2 a4 16. Rxg8+ Qxg8 17. Rg1 Qe8 18. Qh6 Qf7 19. Qh3 Qe8 20. Qh6 Qd7 21. Rh1 Ng8 22. Qg6 f3 23. Bd1 Rg2 24. Qh5 Qxb5+ 25. Kc2 Qb3+ 26. Kc1 Qxa3+ 27. Kb1 Rg7 28. Qxf3 Qxf3 29. Bxf3 Ngf6 30. Rh3 Kg8 31. Ka2 Nd7 $19 {-5.41/20}) (1... Ba6 2. bxa5 (2. Bd1) (2. a4) (2. Ba4) 2... Rg8 (2... bxa5 3. Bxa5 Bxb5 4. Rxb5 Rg8 5. Bd1 g5 6. hxg5 Bxg5 7. c5 Nxc5 8. Nxe5 Qe8 9. Nf3 Nxe4 10. Bc2 Bf6 11. Re1 Neg5 12. Nxg5 Nxg5 13. Qxe8 Rgxe8 14. Rxe8+ Rxe8 15. Rb7 f3 16. Rxc7 Rg8 17. g3 h4 18. Bd2 hxg3 19. fxg3 Re8 20. Bxg5 Bxg5 21. Kf2 Re3 22. Rh7+ Kg8 23. Rh5 Re2+ 24. Kxf3 Rxc2 25. Rxg5+ Kf7 26. Rf5+ Kg6 27. Rf4 Rc3+ 28. Kg4 Rd3 29. a4 Rxd5 30. Kf3 Rd3+ 31. Ke4 Rd2 $18 {5.53/20}) 3. axb6 Nxb6 4. c5 Nd7 5. cxd6 cxd6 6. Bb4 g5 7. hxg5 Nxg5 8. Bd3 Nxf3+ 9. Qxf3 Qh4 10. Nxd6 Bxd3 11. Nf7+ Kg7 12. Nxh6 Kxh6 13. Qxd3 Qg4 14. Kf1 Qxg2+ 15. Ke2 Nf6 16. Rg1 Qxe4+ 17. Qxe4 Nxe4 18. Rxg8 Rxg8 19. d6 Rd8 20. Rd1 Kg6 21. a4 h4 22. d7 Nf6 23. a5 h3 24. Kf1 Nxd7 25. a6 Ra8 26. Rxd7 Rxa6 27. Rd3 Ra1+ 28. Be1 Kh5 29. Rxh3+ Kg4 30. Rh2 e4 31. Ke2 Ra2+ $11 {0.10/9}) 2. bxa5 (2. Kf1 Rg7 (2... g5 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Nxg5 Qxg5 5. f3 Ba6 6. Qf2 Rg6 7. Ke2 Rag8 8. Rg1 axb4 9. Bxb4 Bxb5 10. cxb5 h4 11. Rh1 Qxg2 12. Raf1 Qxf2+ 13. Rxf2 Bg5 14. Rg2 Kg7 15. a4 Nf6 16. Be1 Kf7 17. Kd3 Nh7 18. Bd1 Bf6 19. Rxg6 Rxg6 20. Ke2 Rh6 21. a5 bxa5 22. Bxa5 Bd8 23. Kf1 Rg6 24. Rh2 Rg3 25. Be1 Kg7 26. Rh1 Kh6 27. Rh2 Rg8 28. Bxh4 Bxh4 29. Rxh4+ Kg6 30. Rh2 Rb8 31. Rc2 Rxb5 $15 {-0.44/15}) 3. Qe1 Ndf6 4. bxa5 bxa5 5. Ke2 Bg4 6. Bxa5 g5 7. c5 dxc5 8. d6 Qg8 9. dxc7 gxh4 10. Qc3 h3 11. Rd1 hxg2 12. Rd8 Ng5 13. Rg1 Bxf3+ 14. Ke1 Bxe4 15. Rxg2 Bxg2 16. Qxc5 Nf3+ 17. Ke2 Ng1+ 18. Ke1 h4 19. Rxa8 Bxa8 20. c8=Q h3 21. Bb3 h2 22. Bxg8 Rxg8 23. Qxg8+ Kxg8 24. Qc8+ Kg7 25. Qxa8 e4 26. Bc3 h1=Q 27. Bxf6+ Kxf6 28. Qd8+ Kg6 29. Qe8+ Kg5 30. Qe7+ Kg4 31. Qe6+ Kf3 $19 {-16.11/16}) (2. c5 bxc5 3. Nh2 Nhf6 4. Nf3 Nh7 5. Nh2 g5 6. Qxh5 Bf8 7. bxc5 Ndf6 8. Qe2 gxh4 9. Kh1 Ng4 10. Rg1 Nhf6 11. Qe1 dxc5 12. Nxg4 Bxg4 13. Bd1 Bxd1 14. Qxd1 Qd7 15. a4 Nxe4 16. Qe2 Qh7 17. Kh2 Bd6 18. Ra3 Rg7 19. Rh3 Ng5 20. Rb3 Qg6 21. Kh1 Qf5 22. Qh5+ Rh7 23. Qe2 Rg8 24. Kh2 Rhg7 25. Qh5+ Qh7 26. Qxh7+ Kxh7 27. Bxa5 Ra8 28. Bb6 Rxa4 29. Rc1 h3 30. Bxc5 Bxc5 31. Rxc5 hxg2 $19 {-34.08/9}) (2. g3 g5 (2... Rg7) 3. Kh1 Ndf6 4. bxa5 bxa5 5. Rg1 Bg4 6. Rg2 Qe7 7. gxf4 gxf4 8. Rh2 Qd7 9. Rf1 Rg6 10. Nc3 Qg7 11. Qd3 Nd7 12. Bd1 Nc5 13. Qb1 Rg8 14. Nb5 Nf6 15. Bxa5 Bxf3+ 16. Bxf3 Ng4 17. Bxg4 Rxg4 18. f3 Rg2 19. Rh3 Qd7 20. Rh2 Rxh2+ 21. Kxh2 Rg3 22. Rf2 Qh3# {#0/0}) 2... g5 ( 2... Nc5 3. axb6 cxb6 4. Bc3 Bg7 5. Nh2 Bf6 6. a4 Nb7 7. Bb4 Bxh4 8. a5 bxa5 9. c5 Nxc5 10. Bxc5 dxc5 11. Qc4 Ng5 12. Qxc5 f3 13. g3 Nh3+ 14. Kh1 Bd7 15. Nc7 Rc8 16. d6 Be7 17. Qe3 Kh7 18. dxe7 Qxc7 19. Bb3 Rge8 20. Nxf3 Qc5 21. Kg2 Rxe7 22. Qd2 Bg4 23. Nh2 Rd7 24. Bd5 Qc2 25. Rb2 Qxd2 26. Rxd2 Kh6 27. f3 Be6 28. Re2 Bxd5 29. exd5 Ng5 30. Rxa5 Rc3 31. d6 Nf7 $15 {-0.31/12}) 3. axb6 Nxb6 4. c5 g4 5. Nh2 f3 6. Qd3 Bxd2 7. cxb6 Ba5 8. bxc7 Qxh4 9. Nxd6 Ng5 10. Nxc8 Raxc8 11. d6 Be1 12. g3 Bxf2+ 13. Kxf2 Qxh2+ 14. Ke3 Qxg3 15. Kd2 Qf2+ 16. Kc1 Nf7 17. Qd5 Rgf8 18. Rb7 g3 19. Rb3 Kh7 20. Kb2 g2 21. Rd1 g1=Q 22. Rxg1 Qxg1 23. Rxf3 Qb6+ 24. Ka2 Nxd6 25. Rxf8 Rxf8 26. Qxe5 Qf2 27. Qxh5+ Kg7 28. Qe5+ Kf7 29. Kb3 Qe3+ 30. Ka2 Qe2 31. Qc3 Ke6 $19 {-10.79/15} * [/pgn]
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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

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[d]r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - 0 1

Here's Cfish-dev searching from the root position with MultiPV = 2:

-1.93 1... Rg8 2. bxa5 g5 3. Ne1 Ndf6 4. axb6 cxb6 5. Bb4 Bf8 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. Kf1 gxh4 8. Ke1 Qd7 9. Kd2 Ng5 10. Rb3 Rc8 11. Rh1 h3 12. gxh3 Bxf3 13. Rxf3 Nxf3+ 14. Qxf3 Rxc4 15. Nc3 Rc8 16. Bd3 Rg7 17. Re1 Kg8 18. Kc2 Qf7 19. a4 Nd7 20. Ba6 Ra8 21. Be2 h4 22. Ra1 Qe8 23. Bb5 Qg6 24. Be2 Qf7 25. Nb5 Rc8+ 26. Kb3 Qg6 27. Re1 Nf6 28. Nc3 Be7 29. Ba6 Ra8 30. Be2 Qg2 31. Rh1 Rb8 32. Ra1 Rc8 33. Rd1 Rxc3+ 34. Bxc3 (depth 51, 15:27:41)

-1.72 1... g5 2. hxg5 Nxg5 3. Nxg5 Qxg5 4. f3 Nf6 5. Qf2 h4 6. Kf1 axb4 7. Nxc7 Rxa3 8. Rxa3 bxa3 9. Ne6 Bxe6 10. dxe6 Rg8 11. e7 Qh5 12. Ke2 Rg3 13. Ra1 h3 14. gxh3 Rxh3 15. Rg1 a2 16. Bc3 Qf7 17. Qg2 Qxc4+ 18. Bd3 Qe6 19. Rh1 Rxh1 20. Qxh1 Ng8 21. Kd1 Nxe7 22. Kc2 Kh7 23. Kb2 Qc8 24. Qa1 Qc5 25. Qxa2 Qf2+ 26. Kb1 Qxf3 27. Qf7+ Bg7 28. Kc2 Qg2+ 29. Kb3 Ng6 30. Bb4 f3 31. Bb5 Kh6 32. Bxd6 Qg4 33. Bb4 Qxe4 34. Bd2+ Kh7 (depth 51, 15:27:41)

Search is continuing.
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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

Post by Ferdy »

mwyoung wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:22 am
Dann Corbit wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:04 am Attached you will find the raw analysis (from back to front) of your original positions one by one.
It shows each ply of search.

I plan (over the weekend) to analyze both positions (after the pawn move and after the rook move) at 24 hours for a more definite result. (I am speaking of the root position after g5 and Rg8).

I no longer have the raw analysis for the Rook move, which was made some weeks ago.
I could not find a win with g5 or Rg8.

So I give Lc0. Four hours in deep analysis mode to show a win. Below is the Lc0 claimed win with Rg8 with a +10 score. I don't know if it can be refuted. As it just finished the analysis. But it does think Rg8, and not g5 is the way to win the game.
Following your line on Rg8 up to Bxd2, white's cxb6 could be a mistake because of Qxh4 immediately, even giving up the B at D2.

[pgn][Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "?"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [FEN "r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] 1... Rg8 2. bxa5 g5 3. axb6 Nxb6 4. c5 g4 5. Nh2 f3 6. Qd3 Bxd2 7. cxb6 *[/pgn]

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So perhaps Rg8 would win.
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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

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Ferdy wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:37 pm
Following your line on Rg8 up to Bxd2, white's cxb6 could be a mistake because of Qxh4 immediately, even giving up the B at D2.

[pgn][Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "?"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [FEN "r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] 1... Rg8 2. bxa5 g5 3. axb6 Nxb6 4. c5 g4 5. Nh2 f3 6. Qd3 Bxd2 7. cxb6 *[/pgn]

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So perhaps Rg8 would win.
I think 1...(22...) Rg8 (!?) to win too anyhow, with a probability of maybe 60%, with some more after 2.bxa5(?) but still with less probalitiy (and more important than these percentages of no really reason at all :)) only with some longer and less forced lines than after 1...(22...) g5 (!).

See my lines here:

viewtopic.php?p=793851#p793851
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Re: Revisiting g5 (Tough Tactical Test Position?)

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zullil wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:55 am [d]r1bq1r1k/2pn3n/1p1p2pb/pN1Pp2p/1PP1Pp1P/P4N2/2BBQPP1/RR4K1 b - - 0 1

Here's Cfish-dev searching from the root position with MultiPV = 2:

-1.93 1... Rg8 2. bxa5 g5 3. Ne1 Ndf6 4. axb6 cxb6 5. Bb4 Bf8 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. Kf1 gxh4 8. Ke1 Qd7 9. Kd2 Ng5 10. Rb3 Rc8 11. Rh1 h3 12. gxh3 Bxf3 13. Rxf3 Nxf3+ 14. Qxf3 Rxc4 15. Nc3 Rc8 16. Bd3 Rg7 17. Re1 Kg8 18. Kc2 Qf7 19. a4 Nd7 20. Ba6 Ra8 21. Be2 h4 22. Ra1 Qe8 23. Bb5 Qg6 24. Be2 Qf7 25. Nb5 Rc8+ 26. Kb3 Qg6 27. Re1 Nf6 28. Nc3 Be7 29. Ba6 Ra8 30. Be2 Qg2 31. Rh1 Rb8 32. Ra1 Rc8 33. Rd1 Rxc3+ 34. Bxc3 (depth 51, 15:27:41)

-1.72 1... g5 2. hxg5 Nxg5 3. Nxg5 Qxg5 4. f3 Nf6 5. Qf2 h4 6. Kf1 axb4 7. Nxc7 Rxa3 8. Rxa3 bxa3 9. Ne6 Bxe6 10. dxe6 Rg8 11. e7 Qh5 12. Ke2 Rg3 13. Ra1 h3 14. gxh3 Rxh3 15. Rg1 a2 16. Bc3 Qf7 17. Qg2 Qxc4+ 18. Bd3 Qe6 19. Rh1 Rxh1 20. Qxh1 Ng8 21. Kd1 Nxe7 22. Kc2 Kh7 23. Kb2 Qc8 24. Qa1 Qc5 25. Qxa2 Qf2+ 26. Kb1 Qxf3 27. Qf7+ Bg7 28. Kc2 Qg2+ 29. Kb3 Ng6 30. Bb4 f3 31. Bb5 Kh6 32. Bxd6 Qg4 33. Bb4 Qxe4 34. Bd2+ Kh7 (depth 51, 15:27:41)

Search is continuing.
Now over 24 hours:

-2.13 1... Rg8 2. Bd1 g5 3. hxg5 Nxg5 4. Qd3 Nf6 5. Nxg5 Rxg5 6. Bf3 Bg4 7. Kf1 Qd7 8. bxa5 bxa5 9. c5 h4 10. Ke2 Nxe4 11. Qxe4 Bf5 12. Qc4 e4 13. Bc3+ Kh7 14. Kd2 Rxg2 15. Bxe4 f3+ 16. Kd1 Re8 17. Nxd6 cxd6 18. Rb7 Qxb7 19. Bxf5+ Kg8 20. Be6+ Kf8 21. c6 Qh7 22. c7 Rg1+ 23. Be1 Qh8 24. Rb1 Qe5 25. Kc2 Rxe1 26. Rxe1 Qxe1 27. c8=Q Qxf2+ 28. Kb1 Qe1+ 29. Kb2 Qd2+ 30. Kb3 Qe3+ 31. Ka4 Rxc8 32. Qxc8+ Ke7 33. Qd7+ Kf6 34. Qxd6 Qf4+ 35. Qxf4+ Bxf4 36. Kxa5 f2 37. Bh3 Ke5 38. d6 Kxd6 39. a4 Ke5 40. Kb4 Ke4 41. a5 Kf3 42. Bf1 Kg3 43. a6 h3 (depth 52, 0:27:55)

-2.05 1... g5 2. hxg5 Nxg5 3. Nxg5 Qxg5 4. Rb3 Qg6 5. Nxc7 Rg8 6. g3 Ra7 7. Nb5 Rb7 8. Kg2 Nf6 9. Rh1 Bg4 10. Qe1 fxg3 11. fxg3 Bxd2 12. Qxd2 Nh7 13. Bd1 Qxe4+ 14. Kh2 Bxd1 15. Rxd1 Rd7 16. Re3 Qxc4 17. Qe2 Qxe2+ 18. Rxe2 axb4 19. axb4 Rg4 20. Rc2 Rxb4 21. Nc7 Nf6 22. Rf1 Ng4+ 23. Kh3 Ne3 24. Rf8+ Kh7 25. Re2 Rxc7 26. Rxe3 Rg7 27. Ref3 Rg6 28. R3f5 Kg7 29. Rb8 Rb1 30. Kh2 Rd1 31. Rxb6 Rxd5 32. Rxh5 Rd2+ 33. Kh3 Rd3 34. Kh4 Kf6 35. g4 Rd4 36. Kh3 Rgxg4 37. Rh6+ Rg6 38. Rxg6+ Kxg6 39. Kg3 Kf5 (depth 52, 0:27:55)

Maybe one more iteration ...