The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

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The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:52 pm

In CCC7, SF is the only AB engine that survived into final stage. Where will stockfish stand at the end of tournament? 24 games played so far in 600 scheduled games.

My guess is
1. Lco
2. Leelastein
3. Stockfish
4. Antifish
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by Raphexon » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:58 pm

All I see is Leela times 3.
It's kinda sketchy that 3 basically the same engines are allowed like that.
If you add Brainfish, ASMfish, Thothfish with exchanging turned up and Sugar then the top 4 would probably be populated by AB engines again, but really it's just Stockfish with a different flavour times 4. Just like it's now Leela with a different flavour times 3.

And I think team Komodo shouldn't be allowed 2 participants either.

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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by chrisw » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:19 pm

Raphexon wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:58 pm
All I see is Leela times 3.
It's kinda sketchy that 3 basically the same engines are allowed like that.
If you add Brainfish, ASMfish, Thothfish with exchanging turned up and Sugar then the top 4 would probably be populated by AB engines again, but really it's just Stockfish with a different flavour times 4. Just like it's now Leela with a different flavour times 3.

And I think team Komodo shouldn't be allowed 2 participants either.
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by Dann Corbit » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:11 pm

I guess SF will win,but I don't know the hardware
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by mwyoung » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:21 am

Dann Corbit wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:11 pm
I guess SF will win,but I don't know the hardware
We have to know the hardware. If Lc0 plays on a RTX card. It will be very hard to beat. Unless Stockfish is playing on something better then 16 cores.
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by jp » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:38 am

Hardware is the same as CCC6, I think.

4x RTX 2080ti (44 GB GPU memory).

2 x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by jp » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:41 am

mwyoung wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:21 am
We have to know the hardware. If Lc0 plays on a RTX card. It will be very hard to beat. Unless Stockfish is playing on something better then 16 cores.
Lc0 lost the last CCC with RTX cards. It depends on things like TC & openings.

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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by mwyoung » Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:01 am

jp wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:41 am
mwyoung wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:21 am
We have to know the hardware. If Lc0 plays on a RTX card. It will be very hard to beat. Unless Stockfish is playing on something better then 16 cores.
Lc0 lost the last CCC and TCEC with RTX cards.

That is to be expected. I have tested the newer versions of Lc0. The older 3xxxx. I also had Lc0 weaker on that NN.

With the hardware specs you gave, and if Lc0 is using the best 4xxxx NN. Lc0 will most likely win.

2x Intel Xeon Platinum 8168 is no match for 4x RTX 2080ti

I vote Lc0.
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by MikeB » Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:39 am

Raphexon wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:58 pm
All I see is Leela times 3.
It's kinda sketchy that 3 basically the same engines are allowed like that.
If you add Brainfish, ASMfish, Thothfish with exchanging turned up and Sugar then the top 4 would probably be populated by AB engines again, but really it's just Stockfish with a different flavour times 4. Just like it's now Leela with a different flavour times 3.

And I think team Komodo shouldn't be allowed 2 participants either.
haha - you might as well have McCain, asmfish, matefinder, Sugar and Sting plays as well. LOL ( just kidding btw, I would not be in favor in that) I do agree with your point that this is getting a little ridiculous - meaning that it looks more like how I run my tournaments in my basement LOL
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by MikeGL » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:00 am

Thanks for this info.
I checked the page and it seems all 7 games of Lc0 vs. SF10 were drawn except for this rare gem where Lc0 won with 2-knights against Queen.



[Event "CCC 7: Blitz Bonanza Final (5|2)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2019.04.06"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Lc0"]
[Black "Stockfish"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C48"]
[GameDuration "00:18:02"]
[GameEndTime "2019-04-06T09:28:24.913 PDT"]
[GameStartTime "2019-04-06T09:10:22.645 PDT"]
[Opening "Four knights"]
[PlyCount "249"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[Variation "Rubinstein counter-gambit"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Nd4 5. Bc4 Bc5 6. Nxe5 Qe7 7. Nf3 d5 8.
Bxd5 Bg4 9. d3 c6 10. Bb3 Nd7 11. Be3 Ne5 12. Nxd4 Bxd1 13. Nf5 Qf8 14. Bxc5
Qxc5 15. Rxd1 Qf8 16. d4 Ng6 17. e5 O-O-O 18. O-O Kb8 19. Ne4 f6 20. f4 Ne7 21.
Nfd6 Nd5 22. Rde1 Qe7 23. c4 Nc7 24. c5 fxe5 25. dxe5 a5 26. g3 h6 27. Nf5 Qd7
28. Ned6 Ne6 29. Bxe6 Qxe6 30. Nxg7 Qg8 31. Ngf5 Qd5 32. Rf2 Qxc5 33. Rd1 h5 34.
Kg2 h4 35. g4 a4 36. a3 Qb6 37. Kf3 Rd7 38. Rd3 Re8 39. g5 Rf8 40. Ne3 Re7 41.
Ng4 Re6 42. Ne4 Ka7 43. Ngf6 Qb5 44. Rdd2 Qc4 45. Nd6 Qc1 46. Kg4 h3 47. Nde4
Qc4 48. Rc2 Qa2 49. Ng3 Re7 50. Rce2 Rd8 51. g6 Qb3 52. f5 c5 53. e6 c4 54. Nfe4
Qb5 55. Nc3 Qc5 56. Kxh3 Kb8 57. Kg2 Qc6+ 58. Nce4 Qe8 59. h4 Qh8 60. h5 Kc7 61.
f6 Rxe6 62. g7 Qh6 63. Rf5 Rxf6 64. Rxf6 Qxg7 65. Ref2 Kb8 66. h6 Qh7 67. Rf8
Rxf8 68. Rxf8+ Ka7 69. Rf6 Qh8 70. Ne2 b6 71. N2c3 Qg8+ 72. Kf3 Kb7 73. Kf4 Ka7
74. Ng5 Qb8+ 75. Kf5 Qc8+ 76. Re6 Qf8+ 77. Kg6 Qg8+ 78. Kh5 Qb8 79. h7 Qh2+ 80.
Kg6 Qb8 81. Nce4 c3 82. bxc3 b5 83. Nd6 b4 84. cxb4 Qd8 85. Ndf7 Qd3+ 86. Re4
Qa6+ 87. Kh5 Qf1 88. h8=Q Qh1+ 89. Rh4 Qd1+ 90. Kg6 Qd2 91. Rh5 Qc2+ 92. Ne4
Qxe4+ 93. Rf5 Qg2+ 94. Ng5 Qc6+ 95. Qf6 Qe8+ 96. Kg7 Qd7+ 97. Nf7 Kb7 98. b5 Ka7
99. b6+ Ka6 100. b7+ Kxb7 101. Rf4 Qc7 102. Rxa4 Kb8 103. Rb4+ Ka7 104. Qd4+ Ka6
105. Ra4+ Kb5 106. Qb4+ Kc6 107. Qc4+ Kd7 108. Qxc7+ Kxc7 109. Rb4 Kc6 110. a4
Kd5 111. a5 Kc5 112. a6 Kxb4 113. a7 Ka3 114. a8=Q+ Kb3 115. Qc8 Kb4 116. Qc2
Ka3 117. Nd6 Kb4 118. Nb5 Kxb5 119. Kf8 Kb6 120. Ke8 Kb7 121. Kd7 Kb6 122. Qf5
Kb7 123. Qb1+ Ka6 124. Kc6 Ka5 125. Qb5# 1-0


Very nice game. Minimum tactics at openning but more on strategic outpost for both knights of Lc0.
Even at one point SF10 thinks it is ahead with its Q at -0.09

Is the GPU used there at CCC more powerful than the one available for lease at Amazon AWS?
(Amazon has 8x of Nvidia V100 Tesla 16GB GPU -don't know the lease price though)
While CCC data shows 64GB GPU.
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/dlami/lates ... e/gpu.html


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