Issac Asimov wrote an article called 'The Relativity of Wrong' pointing out (among other things) that it is wrong to say the Earth is flat...but also wrong to say that it is round...also wrong to think of it as a sphere. It is really more an oblate spheroid.Ozymandias wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 10:30 pmIt was never one on one, that was the point. It doesn't really matter where the move comes from, it's either yours or it comes from an outside source you trust more. What's funny is, in classical CC, the move didn't come from an engine and yet, outside help was more outrageous than it is nowadays. One, it had to do with who you knew, now it's democratic, everyone can buy a silicon friend. Two, you could just go with the suggested move and be sure it'd be better than anything you could cook up, now with so many "friends" suggesting candidate moves, you have to take an active part.leavenfish wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 6:21 pmthe historically accepted idea of correspondence chess (one on one...just not face to face) is truly dead.
I say this because your argument that it was "never one on one". Essentially it was. Human analysis is much more likely to be 'wrong' than engine analysis. Heck, back in the day some GM's were known to putting forth 'poor analysis' or outright misleading analysis to games in the Informant setting 'traps' for future opponents. Anyone relying on human games or analysis had to use the 'buyer beware' approach. People are inherently fallible in any case, which is why chess (at least OTB) is still viable as a game.
Engine use simply changes everything - even more so than when I quit ICCF 15+ years ago because of their prevalence. For you to argue that because 'everyone is doing it' or 'can' do it...makes it less wrong evades the point, which is that todays 'Correspondence Chess'...is something entirely different and not worthy of the name...needs to be called something else.
One could use the analogy of people swimming in competition...once you allow jets to push the person along in the water (even if the human has to steer it to some degree...some jets may even have guidance systems...) you simply change everything. It is a different game and open more to yet another element of 'he who has the biggest/baddest jets' doing the dirty work for him DURING THE COURSE OF THE RACE may have some sort of edge. It is no longer a swimming competition.
This is not even something we should argue about...it is self evident.