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M ANSARI
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Re: buying a new computer

Post by M ANSARI » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:53 am

Wow … new generation 64 core CPU at less than $1800 … that is getting very interesting. Should be able to put together a very nice system for less than $3500. Many new technologies coming on that are making me look towards upgrading my 8 core CPU system. New version of USB, faster memory … faster SSD's … better and faster PCI slots. I just want to see this 3rd generation CPU clear up any possible hiccups that are bound to happen with new stuff that has still not matured.

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Re: buying a new computer

Post by dannyb » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:03 am

Albert Silver wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
Watch for Black Friday prices on the second gen chips too. Last November I picked up a brand new 16-core first gen TR (1950x) for $405 from Newegg.
how much slower than a second gen TR?

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Re: buying a new computer

Post by Albert Silver » Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:51 pm

dannyb wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:03 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
Watch for Black Friday prices on the second gen chips too. Last November I picked up a brand new 16-core first gen TR (1950x) for $405 from Newegg.
how much slower than a second gen TR?
Not twice as slow. When I bought it, the new 2950x was retailing for $700, boasting speed improvements of 0.2GHz. I get a standard 3.7GHz on all 16 cores, and 30-32 million nps average in the middlegame with SF10. Good enough.
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Re: buying a new computer

Post by Geonerd » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:18 pm

dannyb wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:03 am
how much slower than a second gen TR?
http://www.ipmanchess.yolasite.com/amd- ... -bench.php

Scores are a bit scattered, possibly reflecting memory configuration and speed? Gen 2 seems a hair faster...

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Re: buying a new computer

Post by Zenmastur » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:40 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:51 pm
dannyb wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:03 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
Watch for Black Friday prices on the second gen chips too. Last November I picked up a brand new 16-core first gen TR (1950x) for $405 from Newegg.
how much slower than a second gen TR?
Not twice as slow. When I bought it, the new 2950x was retailing for $700, boasting speed improvements of 0.2GHz. I get a standard 3.7GHz on all 16 cores, and 30-32 million nps average in the middlegame with SF10. Good enough.
What are you using to keep it cool?
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Re: buying a new computer

Post by Albert Silver » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:33 pm

Zenmastur wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:40 pm
Albert Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:51 pm
dannyb wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:03 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
Watch for Black Friday prices on the second gen chips too. Last November I picked up a brand new 16-core first gen TR (1950x) for $405 from Newegg.
how much slower than a second gen TR?
Not twice as slow. When I bought it, the new 2950x was retailing for $700, boasting speed improvements of 0.2GHz. I get a standard 3.7GHz on all 16 cores, and 30-32 million nps average in the middlegame with SF10. Good enough.
What are you using to keep it cool?
Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 Premium-Grade 140mm CPU Cooler for AMD TR4/SP3 (that is the invoice description)
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."

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Re: buying a new computer

Post by corres » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:05 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:33 pm
Zenmastur wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:40 pm
Albert Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:51 pm
dannyb wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:03 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
Watch for Black Friday prices on the second gen chips too. Last November I picked up a brand new 16-core first gen TR (1950x) for $405 from Newegg.
how much slower than a second gen TR?
Not twice as slow. When I bought it, the new 2950x was retailing for $700, boasting speed improvements of 0.2GHz. I get a standard 3.7GHz on all 16 cores, and 30-32 million nps average in the middlegame with SF10. Good enough.
What are you using to keep it cool?
Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 Premium-Grade 140mm CPU Cooler for AMD TR4/SP3 (that is the invoice description)
With a good water cooler it can be reach 3.9-4.0 GHz for all cores.
On the same clock frequency the second gen TR is faster only about 10 % than the first gen.

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Re: buying a new computer

Post by Albert Silver » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:56 pm

corres wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:05 pm
Albert Silver wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:33 pm
Zenmastur wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:40 pm
Albert Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:51 pm
dannyb wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:03 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
Watch for Black Friday prices on the second gen chips too. Last November I picked up a brand new 16-core first gen TR (1950x) for $405 from Newegg.
how much slower than a second gen TR?
Not twice as slow. When I bought it, the new 2950x was retailing for $700, boasting speed improvements of 0.2GHz. I get a standard 3.7GHz on all 16 cores, and 30-32 million nps average in the middlegame with SF10. Good enough.
What are you using to keep it cool?
Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 Premium-Grade 140mm CPU Cooler for AMD TR4/SP3 (that is the invoice description)
With a good water cooler it can be reach 3.9-4.0 GHz for all cores.
On the same clock frequency the second gen TR is faster only about 10 % than the first gen.
No doubt, but adding a watercooler to gain 5% seems quite pointless. Plus I could clock more than this easily. Right now the temps never go past 60 C. as it is.
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."

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Re: buying a new computer

Post by corres » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:05 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:56 pm
corres wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:05 pm
Albert Silver wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:33 pm
Zenmastur wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:40 pm
Albert Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:51 pm
dannyb wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:03 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
Watch for Black Friday prices on the second gen chips too. Last November I picked up a brand new 16-core first gen TR (1950x) for $405 from Newegg.
how much slower than a second gen TR?
Not twice as slow. When I bought it, the new 2950x was retailing for $700, boasting speed improvements of 0.2GHz. I get a standard 3.7GHz on all 16 cores, and 30-32 million nps average in the middlegame with SF10. Good enough.
What are you using to keep it cool?
Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 Premium-Grade 140mm CPU Cooler for AMD TR4/SP3 (that is the invoice description)
With a good water cooler it can be reach 3.9-4.0 GHz for all cores.
On the same clock frequency the second gen TR is faster only about 10 % than the first gen.
No doubt, but adding a watercooler to gain 5% seems quite pointless. Plus I could clock more than this easily. Right now the temps never go past 60 C. as it is.
It depend on the concrete CPU. If you have a better than average sample you can really enhance the clock frequency further.

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Re: buying a new computer

Post by dannyb » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:20 am

Albert Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:51 pm
dannyb wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:03 am
Albert Silver wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
Watch for Black Friday prices on the second gen chips too. Last November I picked up a brand new 16-core first gen TR (1950x) for $405 from Newegg.
how much slower than a second gen TR?
Not twice as slow. When I bought it, the new 2950x was retailing for $700, boasting speed improvements of 0.2GHz. I get a standard 3.7GHz on all 16 cores, and 30-32 million nps average in the middlegame with SF10. Good enough.
Thanks. I guess I'll wait to pull the trigger and wait for the black friday

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