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Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:40 pm
by Ovyron
Wishing they drop the "world championship" from the name :roll:

Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:14 pm
by mclane
Why should they ? They invite and if few come, it isn’t there fault. The only thing one could criticise is, that they usually choose strange places for the championships.

Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:09 pm
by Ovyron
mclane wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:14 pm
They invite and if few come, it isn’t there fault.
It's their fault if they haven't figured out chess engine games can be played remotely. A true world chess champion would be the best engine available in the best hardware available, with the best openings available, and that is a thing that doesn't require people being there in person, just like it doesn't require cavemen painting on the walls.

As for Komodo being the world champion or whatever, I think I could beat the champion with my 10 year old CPU with a private tournament book, so what kind of champion is that, that I can beat from my basement? Does any other thing have a world champion this weak?

Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:37 am
by supersharp77
Ovyron wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:09 pm
mclane wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:14 pm
They invite and if few come, it isn’t there fault.
It's their fault if they haven't figured out chess engine games can be played remotely. A true world chess champion would be the best engine available in the best hardware available, with the best openings available, and that is a thing that doesn't require people being there in person, just like it doesn't require cavemen painting on the walls.

As for Komodo being the world champion or whatever, I think I could beat the champion with my 10 year old CPU with a private tournament book, so what kind of champion is that, that I can beat from my basement? Does any other thing have a world champion this weak?
Participants

24th World Computer Chess Championship 2018, Stockholm, SE [4]
Program CC Authors Operators Hardware
Booot UA Alex Morozov 2x16 core Intel Xeon @ 1.8 GHz


Chiron IT Ubaldo Andrea Farina 2x16 core AMD EPYC 7551 @ 2.667 GHz

GridGinkgo DE US Kai Himstedt, Frank Schneider Robert Hyatt Wolfgang Zugrav (book)
Timo Haupt 40x16 core Intel Xeon E5-2630 v3 @ 2.4 GHz

Jonny DE Johannes Zwanzger 108x24 core AMD Opteron @ 2.8 GHz

Komodo US Don Dailey, Larry Kaufman Mark Lefler Erdogan Günes (book) 4x15 core Intel Xeon E7-8890 v2.2 @ 2.8 GHz
58 cores used

Leela Chess Zero BECH++ Gian-Carlo Pascutto,Alexander Lyashuk et al. [5] Cyril Guyot (round 1+2)
TCECfan (round 3-7) [6] 8 x Tesla V100 (round 1+2)
2 x GTX 1080 Ti (round 3-7)

Shredder DE Stefan Meyer-Kahlen 36 Intel Xeon @ 3GHz

The Baron NL Richard Pijl 2x14 core Intel Xeon @ 3.1GHz
CC

Komodo vs LC0 Round 1 Chess Game.... :) :wink:



Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:41 am
by supersharp77
supersharp77 wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:37 am
Ovyron wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:09 pm
mclane wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:14 pm
They invite and if few come, it isn’t there fault.
It's their fault if they haven't figured out chess engine games can be played remotely. A true world chess champion would be the best engine available in the best hardware available, with the best openings available, and that is a thing that doesn't require people being there in person, just like it doesn't require cavemen painting on the walls.

As for Komodo being the world champion or whatever, I think I could beat the champion with my 10 year old CPU with a private tournament book, so what kind of champion is that, that I can beat from my basement? Does any other thing have a world champion this weak?
Participants

24th World Computer Chess Championship 2018, Stockholm, SE [4]
Program CC Authors Operators Hardware
Booot UA Alex Morozov 2x16 core Intel Xeon @ 1.8 GHz


Chiron IT Ubaldo Andrea Farina 2x16 core AMD EPYC 7551 @ 2.667 GHz

GridGinkgo DE US Kai Himstedt, Frank Schneider Robert Hyatt Wolfgang Zugrav (book)
Timo Haupt 40x16 core Intel Xeon E5-2630 v3 @ 2.4 GHz

Jonny DE Johannes Zwanzger 108x24 core AMD Opteron @ 2.8 GHz

Komodo US Don Dailey, Larry Kaufman Mark Lefler Erdogan Günes (book) 4x15 core Intel Xeon E7-8890 v2.2 @ 2.8 GHz
58 cores used

Leela Chess Zero BECH++ Gian-Carlo Pascutto,Alexander Lyashuk et al. [5] Cyril Guyot (round 1+2)
TCECfan (round 3-7) [6] 8 x Tesla V100 (round 1+2)
2 x GTX 1080 Ti (round 3-7)

Shredder DE Stefan Meyer-Kahlen 36 Intel Xeon @ 3GHz

The Baron NL Richard Pijl 2x14 core Intel Xeon @ 3.1GHz
CC

Komodo vs LC0 Round 1 Chess Game.... :) :wink:


Leela Zero vs Komodo
WCCC 2018 Sweden Round 1

Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:54 am
by mclane
Ovyron wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:09 pm
mclane wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:14 pm
They invite and if few come, it isn’t there fault.
It's their fault if they haven't figured out chess engine games can be played remotely. A true world chess champion would be the best engine available in the best hardware available, with the best openings available, and that is a thing that doesn't require people being there in person, just like it doesn't require cavemen painting on the walls.

As for Komodo being the world champion or whatever, I think I could beat the champion with my 10 year old CPU with a private tournament book, so what kind of champion is that, that I can beat from my basement? Does any other thing have a world champion this weak?
A Championship Done via Remote is IMO boring ,
It’s like sex via the internet, that’s not really the same as in real life.

Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:15 am
by hgm
A few games played over the internet can hadly be called an event. Anyone can do that whenever he likes, and the interest to participate is about zero. (This is fact: it has been tried.) Furthermore, it seems wide open to fraud.

Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:43 am
by mephisto
I have always enjoyed visiting the World Computer Chess Championships whenever possible and always will. This is a really enjoyable tournament and is always exciting to watch plus you get to meet so many really nice people who have a passion for computer chess like myself. Long may it continue!

Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:02 pm
by mjlef
supersharp77 wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:41 am
supersharp77 wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:37 am
Ovyron wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:09 pm
mclane wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:14 pm
They invite and if few come, it isn’t there fault.
It's their fault if they haven't figured out chess engine games can be played remotely. A true world chess champion would be the best engine available in the best hardware available, with the best openings available, and that is a thing that doesn't require people being there in person, just like it doesn't require cavemen painting on the walls.

As for Komodo being the world champion or whatever, I think I could beat the champion with my 10 year old CPU with a private tournament book, so what kind of champion is that, that I can beat from my basement? Does any other thing have a world champion this weak?
Participants

24th World Computer Chess Championship 2018, Stockholm, SE [4]
Program CC Authors Operators Hardware
Booot UA Alex Morozov 2x16 core Intel Xeon @ 1.8 GHz


Chiron IT Ubaldo Andrea Farina 2x16 core AMD EPYC 7551 @ 2.667 GHz

GridGinkgo DE US Kai Himstedt, Frank Schneider Robert Hyatt Wolfgang Zugrav (book)
Timo Haupt 40x16 core Intel Xeon E5-2630 v3 @ 2.4 GHz

Jonny DE Johannes Zwanzger 108x24 core AMD Opteron @ 2.8 GHz

Komodo US Don Dailey, Larry Kaufman Mark Lefler Erdogan Günes (book) 4x15 core Intel Xeon E7-8890 v2.2 @ 2.8 GHz
58 cores used

Leela Chess Zero BECH++ Gian-Carlo Pascutto,Alexander Lyashuk et al. [5] Cyril Guyot (round 1+2)
TCECfan (round 3-7) [6] 8 x Tesla V100 (round 1+2)
2 x GTX 1080 Ti (round 3-7)

Shredder DE Stefan Meyer-Kahlen 36 Intel Xeon @ 3GHz

The Baron NL Richard Pijl 2x14 core Intel Xeon @ 3.1GHz
CC

Komodo vs LC0 Round 1 Chess Game.... :) :wink:


Leela Zero vs Komodo
WCCC 2018 Sweden Round 1
Could you report with a corrected PGN? this one gets hung up on the imporperly coded 4.cxd move. Claims of being abe to beat any person or program are best settied with real examples.

Note, most of the WCCC participants do play using remote machines. Ther is something nice about meeting people in person.

Mark

Re: WCCC 2019 Macau..

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:58 pm
by supersharp77
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Could you report with a corrected PGN? this one gets hung up on the imporperly coded 4.cxd move. Claims of being abe to beat any person or program are best settied with real examples.

Note, most of the WCCC participants do play using remote machines. Ther is something nice about meeting people in person.

Mark
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Searched and searched and it seems they never posted a complete games pgn (for obvious in house reasons) spent lots of time transcribing that game (it was quite long) but with mixed results...games can be viewed at

http://view.livechesscloud.com/7c104c94 ... f22a1880d0

Thx AR :) :wink: