'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by smatovic » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:16 am

dkappe wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:12 am
smatovic wrote:
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Ups, did the clone wars started again? :)

Some people should take some time to think about what the GPL philosophy stands
for, what was the intention of an programmer or an community if they put their
stuff under GPL, and - respect that.

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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by supersharp77 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:19 pm

dkappe wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:57 am
Werewolf wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:58 am
Wasn’t he disqualified from something for basically just copying Lc0 and passing it off as his own work?

Did I just dream that up? I have a vague memory of that but might have got that wrong.
You dreamed that bit of libelous BS up. TCEC cooked up some seriously odd rules, though, to prevent third party nets from entering with the lc0 net container.
crem wrote:
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dkappe wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:57 am

You dreamed that bit of libelous BS up. TCEC cooked up some seriously odd rules, though, to prevent third party nets from entering with the lc0 net container.
What is "Lc0 net container"?

"DeusX" was Lc0 binary, Lc0 neural network architecture and implementation, trained with Lc0 scripts (so the only thing different is NN weights, it's not even "different neural net" as some people say).
I don't know what "Fat Fritz" is, but I expect it's the same.

Whether it's fine to commercialize is debatable, but what I don't like the most is that what "Fat Fritz" really is is hidden from people paying money for it.

Hahahahaha...Hilarious and Interesting posts.."Well I guess its not really an Original Chessbase Fritz Engine Project" :) :wink:

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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by Leo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:02 pm

I am curious how strong Fat Fritz really is.
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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by M ANSARI » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:54 am

From just looking quickly at the game that was posted, I really like the endgame part where "trolling" has been avoided. Not sure if it was due to improvements in NN code or if it is the EGTB's took over, but it sure is nice to see a NN engine play the endgame without moves that prolong the game endlessly.

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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by carldaman » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:52 pm

There is a catch, however:

Do I have to wait if Fat Fritz is already taken?

Only one user at a time can use Fat Fritz, in order to maintain the full calculation power. That is why you will have to wait until the active user has finished his analysis. Alternately you can also offer a higher bid in order to get Fat Fritz sooner.


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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by AdminX » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:59 pm

If the root binary is LC0, then I would rather use LC0. Now if they were to just sell the weights file for Deus, then I might just buy it. Better than renting it in my case. Many of the details of Fat Fritz are obfuscated in any event.
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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by Ovyron » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:12 am

The Rybka Cluster all over again...
Make someone happy today.

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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by jp » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:37 am

AdminX wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:59 pm
If the root binary is LC0, then I would rather use LC0.
Yes, it's been confirmed.

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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by Laskos » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:07 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:12 am
The Rybka Cluster all over again...
Yes, but Lc0 hardly scales beyond 2 GPUs.

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Re: 'Deus X' Unveiled as FAT FRITZ PROJECT...

Post by ChickenLogic » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:37 pm

They should just give estimates on the strength of the net and sell it. Oh, and don't call it "engine". My two cents anyway.
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