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Father versus Deepblue in the ocean. September 04/2019.. Open letter to Garry Kasparov

Post by Father » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:17 pm

September 04, 2019

Open letter to Garry Kasparov.


Deep blue was a part of a crucial moment in the history of mankind. The great and great Gary Kasparov faced the power of the machine and economic corporations. The role played by the world champion was extraordinary. Today I wonder if the valuation parameters between game and game were modified. If the answer was affirmative, only that is sufficient reason to disqualify to the computer and remove or dispose of the title doping.

The doping would then be the intervention of the human by changing the lines of play in the course of the confrontation.

I believe that all chess programmers have a moral responsibility to humanity. Scientists and computer programmers of chess must tell us through the study of the games if the value system between them has differences.

I would like to have a deep blue today in front of me; I know it would be a lot of scrap metal. The problem is that IBM shares would fall to their worst historical value.

Please scientific sirs: Help us. Were the valuation systems changed in that historic match? If the answer is, YES THEY WERE, "if they were", and they were not automatically changed by the machine, that match for me was a terrible fraud and ambush against the always great and virtuous Garry Kasparov, who was then a victim of ambush.

Sincerely,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and Grand-Father playchess.com player



Trying playserver.chessbase.com Connected Login Welcome, Grand-Father! Server Time = 21:36 (UTC+2h), 2857 users online 8 pm ( CET) – Wednesday-Blitz 5+0, 9 rounds. More Information see Tournaments -> Room Official B -> Info Your local weather: [WTH_2CLOUD_NORAIN], Temperature: 26°C, Wind: NEE 0Bft. Rated (Classic) 1m+3s No. of players receiving your offer: 5 Rated (Classic)
Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-7920X CPU @ 2.90GHz 2904MHz, (12 cores, 24 threads) New Elo: 2069 (+31),

I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: Father versus Deepblue in the ocean. September 04/2019.. Open letter to Garry Kasparov

Post by Father » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:20 pm

Here the game"

I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: Father versus Deepblue in the ocean. September 04/2019.. Open letter to Garry Kasparov

Post by mwyoung » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:40 pm

Father wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:17 pm
September 04, 2019

Open letter to Garry Kasparov.


Deep blue was a part of a crucial moment in the history of mankind. The great and great Gary Kasparov faced the power of the machine and economic corporations. The role played by the world champion was extraordinary. Today I wonder if the valuation parameters between game and game were modified. If the answer was affirmative, only that is sufficient reason to disqualify to the computer and remove or dispose of the title doping.

The doping would then be the intervention of the human by changing the lines of play in the course of the confrontation.

I believe that all chess programmers have a moral responsibility to humanity. Scientists and computer programmers of chess must tell us through the study of the games if the value system between them has differences.

I would like to have a deep blue today in front of me; I know it would be a lot of scrap metal. The problem is that IBM shares would fall to their worst historical value.

Please scientific sirs: Help us. Were the valuation systems changed in that historic match? If the answer is, YES THEY WERE, "if they were", and they were not automatically changed by the machine, that match for me was a terrible fraud and ambush against the always great and virtuous Garry Kasparov, who was then a victim of ambush.

Sincerely,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and Grand-Father playchess.com player



Trying playserver.chessbase.com Connected Login Welcome, Grand-Father! Server Time = 21:36 (UTC+2h), 2857 users online 8 pm ( CET) – Wednesday-Blitz 5+0, 9 rounds. More Information see Tournaments -> Room Official B -> Info Your local weather: [WTH_2CLOUD_NORAIN], Temperature: 26°C, Wind: NEE 0Bft. Rated (Classic) 1m+3s No. of players receiving your offer: 5 Rated (Classic)
Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-7920X CPU @ 2.90GHz 2904MHz, (12 cores, 24 threads) New Elo: 2069 (+31),

Yes. The evaluation parameters was changed between games. If that is the question. And this action was allowed by the rules of the match. This was a chess match. GM Kasparov was very ignorant of computer chess. And to think Deep Blue would play as a typical desktop chess engine of the day. With the same weaknesses in closed positions, and other computer chess weaknesses of the day.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Take on me. foes 0

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Re: Father versus Deepblue in the ocean. September 04/2019.. Open letter to Garry Kasparov

Post by Father » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:51 pm

mwyoung wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:40 pm
Father wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:17 pm
September 04, 2019

Open letter to Garry Kasparov.


Deep blue was a part of a crucial moment in the history of mankind. The great and great Gary Kasparov faced the power of the machine and economic corporations. The role played by the world champion was extraordinary. Today I wonder if the valuation parameters between game and game were modified. If the answer was affirmative, only that is sufficient reason to disqualify to the computer and remove or dispose of the title doping.

The doping would then be the intervention of the human by changing the lines of play in the course of the confrontation.

I believe that all chess programmers have a moral responsibility to humanity. Scientists and computer programmers of chess must tell us through the study of the games if the value system between them has differences.

I would like to have a deep blue today in front of me; I know it would be a lot of scrap metal. The problem is that IBM shares would fall to their worst historical value.

Please scientific sirs: Help us. Were the valuation systems changed in that historic match? If the answer is, YES THEY WERE, "if they were", and they were not automatically changed by the machine, that match for me was a terrible fraud and ambush against the always great and virtuous Garry Kasparov, who was then a victim of ambush.

Sincerely,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and Grand-Father playchess.com player



Trying playserver.chessbase.com Connected Login Welcome, Grand-Father! Server Time = 21:36 (UTC+2h), 2857 users online 8 pm ( CET) – Wednesday-Blitz 5+0, 9 rounds. More Information see Tournaments -> Room Official B -> Info Your local weather: [WTH_2CLOUD_NORAIN], Temperature: 26°C, Wind: NEE 0Bft. Rated (Classic) 1m+3s No. of players receiving your offer: 5 Rated (Classic)
Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-7920X CPU @ 2.90GHz 2904MHz, (12 cores, 24 threads) New Elo: 2069 (+31),

Yes. The evaluation parameters was changed between games. If that is the question. And this action was allowed by the rules of the match. This was a chess match. GM Kasparov was very ignorant of computer chess. And to think Deep Blue would play as a typical desktop chess engine of the day. With the same weaknesses in closed positions, and other computer chess weaknesses of the day.
mwyoung,

I did not know that chess computer chess program paremeters could be changed... What a sad news!!
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Mann gegen Maschine. Rennen gegen das Schicksal. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo gegen den Schachcomputer. Vater und Großvater im

Post by Father » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:06 am

Eman 4.10 64-bit BMI2 (110 threads): 26.4 plies; 83.374kN/s Intel(R) Xeon(R) Platinum 8176M CPU @ 2.10GHz 2100MHz, (56 cores, 112 threads) New Elo: 2081 (+15), Classic.

Running an ultra marathon, in whose competence the human being fights against a machine, is exhausting. In total there were 288 kilometers of travel and 500 linear meters.

In every second the computer faced a human grandfather, the machine calculated eighty-three million three hundred seventy-four thousand positions every second, meanwhile the grandfather only used his experience and extra-classical knowledge, and his extraordinary good memory.

At the end of the competition the machine felt embarrassed and exhausted, and by decree, decided that the game was a draw.

Twenty-two years have passed and the machine had no chance of beating the human. The human simply made the computer believe that the computer was going to win, and idiotized and hymnized the human to the computer.

Most people are the ones who are hymnized and afraid of the power of the machine. People are more, much more than a machine, we are a soul that occupies a body and machine, a mysterious power imbued with infinity.

Mann gegen Maschine.
Rennen gegen das Schicksal. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo gegen den Schachcomputer. Vater und Großvater im Schachspiel.



[Event "Rated game, 5 min"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2019.09.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Grand-Father"]
[Black "Wilson Fisk"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "1912"]
[BlackElo "2511"]
[PlyCount "576"]
[EventDate "2019.09.04"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 {2} d5 {0} 2. e3 {1} Nf6 {0} 3. c3 {1} Bf5 {0} 4. f4 {1} e6 {0} 5. Nf3 {1
} c5 {0} 6. Bd3 {3} Bd6 {0} 7. O-O {1} O-O {0} 8. Qe2 {1} Nc6 {0} 9. a3 {1} c4
{0} 10. Bc2 {1} Qc7 {0} 11. Re1 {1} Na5 {0} 12. Qd1 {1} b5 {0} 13. Nbd2 {3} Qb7
{0} 14. Nf1 {1} Bxc2 {0} 15. Qxc2 {1} Nb3 {0} 16. Rb1 {1} a5 {0} 17. N3d2 {1}
a4 {0} 18. Nf3 {1} Ne4 {0} 19. Re2 {1} f6 {0} 20. Bd2 {1} g5 {0} 21. g3 {2} g4
{0} 22. Nh4 {1} Qg7 {0} 23. Rg2 {2} f5 {10} 24. Re1 {2} Be7 {12} 25. Ree2 {1}
Kf7 {5} 26. Be1 {2} Ke8 {32} 27. Kh1 {1} Kd7 {7} 28. Kg1 {1} Nd6 {17} 29. Kh1 {
1} Rf7 {7} 30. Kg1 {1} Kc7 {4} 31. Kh1 {0} Rg8 {6} 32. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {1} 33. Kh1
{1} Kb6 {4} 34. Kg1 {9} Rff8 {23} 35. Kh1 {1} Kc6 {4} 36. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {4} 37.
Kh1 {0} Ne4 {4} 38. Kg1 {1} Ra8 {3} 39. Kh1 {1} Rae8 {4} 40. Kg1 {0} Nd6 {2}
41. Kh1 {1} Kc7 {3} 42. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {3} 43. Kh1 {0} Bf6 {3} 44. Kg1 {1} Ref8 {
30} 45. Kh1 {1} Kc8 {2} 46. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {2} 47. Kh1 {1} Rh8 {2} 48. Kg1 {1} Kb6
{4} 49. Kh1 {0} Rhg8 {2} 50. Kg1 {0} Qc7 {2} 51. Kh1 {1} Qc6 {2} 52. Kg1 {1}
Qe8 {2} 53. Kh1 {1} Kb7 {2} 54. Kg1 {1} Ne4 {2} 55. Kh1 {1} Qe7 {2} 56. Kg1 {1}
Nd6 {2} 57. Kh1 {1} Ra8 {2} 58. Kg1 {0} Raf8 {3} 59. Kh1 {1} Qe8 {2} 60. Kg1 {1
} Be7 {1} 61. Kh1 {1} Ne4 {1} 62. Kg1 {1} Nd6 {1} 63. Kh1 {1} Qf7 {1} 64. Kg1 {
2} Qg7 {3} 65. Kh1 {1} Rc8 {2} 66. Kg1 {1} Kb6 {1} 67. Kh1 {1} Kc6 {1} 68. Kg1
{1} Qf7 {1} 69. Kh1 {1} Ra8 {1} 70. Kg1 {1} Ne4 {2} 71. Kh1 {1} Kb6 {1} 72. Kg1
{1} Rg7 {0} 73. Kh1 {1} h6 {1} 74. Kg1 {2} Bf6 {1} 75. Kh1 {1} Kc7 {1} 76. Kg1
{1} Kb7 {0} 77. Kh1 {1} Rd8 {1} 78. Kg1 {0} h5 {1} 79. Kh1 {1} Rgg8 {1} 80. Kg1
{1} Rc8 {1} 81. Kh1 {0} Qe7 {1} 82. Kg1 {1} Rg7 {0} 83. Kh1 {1} Kc6 {1} 84. Kg1
{1} Kb6 {1} 85. Kh1 {0} Qd8 {1} 86. Kg1 {0} Nd6 {1} 87. Kh1 {0} Ra8 {1} 88. Kg1
{0} Qe7 {0} 89. Kh1 {1} Rag8 {1} 90. Kg1 {1} Rd8 {1} 91. Kh1 {1} Qf7 {1} 92.
Kg1 {0} Be7 {1} 93. Kh1 {1} Ne4 {1} 94. Kg1 {1} Bf6 {1} 95. Kh1 {0} Rgg8 {1}
96. Kg1 {0} Qe7 {1} 97. Kh1 {0} Kc6 {1} 98. Kg1 {2} Kb7 {1} 99. Kh1 {1} Rdf8 {0
} 100. Kg1 {1} Qd8 {1} 101. Kh1 {1} Rf7 {0} 102. Kg1 {1} Rh7 {1} 103. Kh1 {1}
Kb6 {0} 104. Kg1 {1} Rb7 {1} 105. Kh1 {1} Rc7 {0} 106. Kg1 {1} Rgg7 {0} 107.
Kh1 {1} Qe8 {0} 108. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {0} 109. Qd1 {2} Rc8 {1} 110. Rc2 {2} Kc7 {1}
111. Qe2 {1} Nd6 {0} 112. Kh1 {1} Kb7 {0} 113. Kg1 {1} Rg8 {1} 114. Kh1 {0} Qd7
{1} 115. Kg1 {0} Kb6 {0} 116. Kh1 {0} Qf7 {0} 117. Kg1 {0} Rg7 {0} 118. Kh1 {0}
Qe8 {0} 119. Kg1 {0} Rcc7 {1} 120. Kh1 {1} Kb7 {1} 121. Kg1 {1} Kb8 {0} 122.
Kh1 {1} Ne4 {0} 123. Kg1 {1} Qe7 {0} 124. Kh1 {1} Rc8 {0} 125. Kg1 {1} Re8 {0}
126. Kh1 {1} Qd8 {0} 127. Kg1 {1} Bxh4 {0} 128. gxh4 {1} Kc7 {0} 129. Bg3 {0}
Na1 {0} 130. Rc1 {6} Nb3 {0} 131. Rc2 {0} Rh7 {0} 132. Qe1 {2} Kb7 {0} 133. Kh1
{1} Reh8 {0} 134. Kg1 {0} Qe8 {0} 135. Kh1 {1} Rc7 {0} 136. Kg1 {0} Qd7 {0}
137. Kh1 {1} Rcc8 {0} 138. Kg1 {1} Qf7 {0} 139. Kh1 {1} Qf6 {0} 140. Kg1 {1}
Kb6 {0} 141. Kh1 {1} Rcg8 {0} 142. Kg1 {1} Rf8 {0} 143. Kh1 {1} Qe7 {0} 144.
Kg1 {1} Rhg8 {0} 145. Kh1 {1} Rc8 {0} 146. Kg1 {1} Qh7 {0} 147. Kh1 {1} Rc7 {0}
148. Nd2 {8} Nf6 {1} 149. Nb1 {2} Ne4 {0} 150. Kg1 {2} Na1 {0} 151. Rc1 {9} Nb3
{0} 152. Rcc2 {1} Qf7 {0} 153. Kh1 {1} Na1 {0} 154. Rc1 {1} Nb3 {0} 155. Rcc2 {
1} Qe8 {0} 156. Kg1 {1} Rh7 {0} 157. Kh1 {2} Na1 {0} 158. Rc1 {2} Nb3 {0} 159.
Rcc2 {1} Qd7 {0} 160. Kg1 {1} Rhh8 {0} 161. Kh1 {1} Ra8 {0} 162. Kg1 {1} Qe7 {0
} 163. Kh1 {1} Na1 {0} 164. Rc1 {1} Nb3 {0} 165. Rcc2 {1} Rh7 {0} 166. Kg1 {1}
Kb7 {0} 167. Kh1 {1} Rhh8 {0} 168. Kg1 {1} Nd6 {0} 169. Kh1 {1} Rhg8 {0} 170.
Kg1 {1} Ne4 {0} 171. Kh1 {1} Rgc8 {0} 172. Kg1 {1} Kc6 {0} 173. Kh1 {1} Kd7 {0}
174. Kg1 {1} Na5 {0} 175. Kh1 {1} Nb7 {0} 176. Kg1 {1} Rh8 {0} 177. Kh1 {1} b4
{0} 178. axb4 {1} Nbd6 {0} 179. Na3 {1} Ke8 {0} 180. Qc1 {3} Kf7 {0} 181. Kg1 {
1} Qd7 {0} 182. Kh1 {2} Kg7 {0} 183. Kg1 {1} Rhb8 {0} 184. Kh1 {2} Rb7 {0} 185.
Kg1 {1} Nf6 {0} 186. Qe1 {2} Nde4 {0} 187. Kh1 {1} Kg6 {0} 188. Kg1 {0} Rh8 {0}
189. Kh1 {1} Rhb8 {0} 190. Kg1 {1} Ra7 {0} 191. Kh1 {1} Ne8 {0} 192. Kg1 {1}
N8d6 {0} 193. Kh1 {7} Qe8 {0} 194. Kg1 {1} Qd7 {0} 195. Kh1 {1} Kh7 {0} 196.
Kg1 {1} Rba8 {0} 197. Kh1 {1} Ne8 {0} 198. Kg1 {1} Rb7 {0} 199. Kh1 {1} N8f6 {0
} 200. Kg1 {1} Rg8 {0} 201. Kh1 {1} Ra7 {0} 202. Kg1 {1} Kg6 {0} 203. Kh1 {1}
Raa8 {0} 204. Kg1 {1} Rgf8 {0} 205. Kh1 {1} Ne8 {0} 206. Kg1 {1} Kf6 {0} 207.
Kh1 {1} N8d6 {0} 208. Kg1 {1} Qc6 {0} 209. Kh1 {1} Kg7 {0} 210. Kg1 {1} Qa6 {0}
211. Kh1 {1} Qa7 {0} 212. Rge2 {1} Rfd8 {0} 213. Kg2 {1} Kg6 {0} 214. Kg1 {1}
Qe7 {0} 215. Kg2 {0} Rf8 {0} 216. Kg1 {1} Ra7 {0} 217. Kg2 {1} Rb8 {0} 218. Kg1
{1} Rbb7 {0} 219. Kg2 {0} Qe8 {0} 220. Kg1 {1} Nb5 {0} 221. Qa1 {12} Rb8 {0}
222. Kg2 {3} Kf7 {0} 223. Kg1 {1} Ke7 {0} 224. Kg2 {1} Kd7 {0} 225. Kg1 {1} Kc7
{0} 226. Kg2 {0} Nxa3 {0} 227. bxa3 {1} Kb6 {0} 228. Ra2 {2} Rg7 {0} 229. Qc1 {
1} Rbb7 {0} 230. Qc2 {0} Qb5 {0} 231. Kg1 {1} Qd7 {0} 232. Kg2 {0} Rg8 {0} 233.
Kg1 {0} Ka7 {0} 234. Kg2 {0} Qb5 {0} 235. Kg1 {1} Rf7 {0} 236. Kg2 {0} Rff8 {0}
237. Kg1 {1} Rb8 {0} 238. Kg2 {0} Kb6 {0} 239. Kg1 {1} Rb7 {0} 240. Kg2 {0} Ra7
{0} 241. Rd2 {1} Nxd2 {0} 242. Qxd2 {0} Qd7 {0} 243. Kf1 {1} Raa8 {0} 244. Kg1
{1} Rgf8 {0} 245. Kg2 {0} Rab8 {0} 246. Kg1 {0} Rbc8 {0} 247. Kg2 {0} Qe8 {0}
248. Rb2 {0} Kb7 {0} 249. Kg1 {0} Rb8 {0} 250. Kg2 {0} Kb6 {0} 251. Kg1 {0} Ra8
{0} 252. Kg2 {0} Rf7 {0} 253. Kg1 {0} Qe7 {0} 254. Kg2 {0} Rg7 {0} 255. Kg1 {0}
Rgg8 {0} 256. Kg2 {0} Rgf8 {0} 257. Kg1 {0} Ra6 {0} 258. Kg2 {0} Rh8 {0} 259.
Kg1 {0} Raa8 {0} 260. Kg2 {0} Rhf8 {0} 261. Kg1 {0} Rg8 {0} 262. Kg2 {1} Qf7 {0
} 263. Kg1 {0} Rge8 {0} 264. Kg2 {0} Rf8 {0} 265. Kg1 {0} Rg8 {0} 266. Kg2 {0}
Qe7 {0} 267. Kg1 {0} Rg6 {0} 268. Kg2 {0} Rh8 {0} 269. Kg1 {0} Ra8 {0} 270. Kg2
{0} Ra7 {0} 271. Kg1 {0} Rg7 {0} 272. Kg2 {0} Qd8 {0} 273. Kg1 {0} Qe7 {0} 274.
Kg2 {0} Ra8 {0} 275. Kg1 {0} Qe8 {0} 276. Kg2 {0} Rc7 {0} 277. Kg1 {0} Ra6 {0}
278. Kg2 {0} Qe7 {0} 279. Kg1 {0} Raa7 {0} 280. Kg2 {0} Ra8 {0} 281. Kg1 {0}
Rb7 {0} 282. Kg2 {0} Qe8 {0} 283. Kg1 {0} Rc8 {0} 284. Kg2 {0} Qc6 {0} 285. Kg1
{0} Rg7 {0} 286. Kf2 {1} Qd7 {0} 287. Kg1 {0} Ra8 {0} 288. Kg2 {0} Qe7 {
0 (Lag: Av=0.82s, max=3.4s)} 1/2-1/2
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: Mann gegen Maschine. Rennen gegen das Schicksal. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo gegen den Schachcomputer. Vater und Großvate

Post by Father » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:09 am

Father wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:06 am
Eman 4.10 64-bit BMI2 (110 threads): 26.4 plies; 83.374kN/s Intel(R) Xeon(R) Platinum 8176M CPU @ 2.10GHz 2100MHz, (56 cores, 112 threads) New Elo: 2081 (+15), Classic.

Running an ultra marathon, in whose competence the human being fights against a machine, is exhausting. In total there were 288 kilometers of travel and 500 linear meters.

In every second the computer faced a human grandfather, the machine calculated eighty-three million three hundred seventy-four thousand positions every second, meanwhile the grandfather only used his experience and extra-classical knowledge, and his extraordinary good memory.

At the end of the competition the machine felt embarrassed and exhausted, and by decree, decided that the game was a draw.

Twenty-two years have passed and the machine had no chance of beating the human. The human simply made the computer believe that the computer was going to win, and idiotized and hymnized the human to the computer.

Most people are the ones who are hymnized and afraid of the power of the machine. People are more, much more than a machine, we are a soul that occupies a body and machine, a mysterious power imbued with infinity.

Mann gegen Maschine.
Rennen gegen das Schicksal. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo gegen den Schachcomputer. Vater und Großvater im Schachspiel.



[Event "Rated game, 5 min"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2019.09.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Grand-Father"]
[Black "Wilson Fisk"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "1912"]
[BlackElo "2511"]
[PlyCount "576"]
[EventDate "2019.09.04"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 {2} d5 {0} 2. e3 {1} Nf6 {0} 3. c3 {1} Bf5 {0} 4. f4 {1} e6 {0} 5. Nf3 {1
} c5 {0} 6. Bd3 {3} Bd6 {0} 7. O-O {1} O-O {0} 8. Qe2 {1} Nc6 {0} 9. a3 {1} c4
{0} 10. Bc2 {1} Qc7 {0} 11. Re1 {1} Na5 {0} 12. Qd1 {1} b5 {0} 13. Nbd2 {3} Qb7
{0} 14. Nf1 {1} Bxc2 {0} 15. Qxc2 {1} Nb3 {0} 16. Rb1 {1} a5 {0} 17. N3d2 {1}
a4 {0} 18. Nf3 {1} Ne4 {0} 19. Re2 {1} f6 {0} 20. Bd2 {1} g5 {0} 21. g3 {2} g4
{0} 22. Nh4 {1} Qg7 {0} 23. Rg2 {2} f5 {10} 24. Re1 {2} Be7 {12} 25. Ree2 {1}
Kf7 {5} 26. Be1 {2} Ke8 {32} 27. Kh1 {1} Kd7 {7} 28. Kg1 {1} Nd6 {17} 29. Kh1 {
1} Rf7 {7} 30. Kg1 {1} Kc7 {4} 31. Kh1 {0} Rg8 {6} 32. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {1} 33. Kh1
{1} Kb6 {4} 34. Kg1 {9} Rff8 {23} 35. Kh1 {1} Kc6 {4} 36. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {4} 37.
Kh1 {0} Ne4 {4} 38. Kg1 {1} Ra8 {3} 39. Kh1 {1} Rae8 {4} 40. Kg1 {0} Nd6 {2}
41. Kh1 {1} Kc7 {3} 42. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {3} 43. Kh1 {0} Bf6 {3} 44. Kg1 {1} Ref8 {
30} 45. Kh1 {1} Kc8 {2} 46. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {2} 47. Kh1 {1} Rh8 {2} 48. Kg1 {1} Kb6
{4} 49. Kh1 {0} Rhg8 {2} 50. Kg1 {0} Qc7 {2} 51. Kh1 {1} Qc6 {2} 52. Kg1 {1}
Qe8 {2} 53. Kh1 {1} Kb7 {2} 54. Kg1 {1} Ne4 {2} 55. Kh1 {1} Qe7 {2} 56. Kg1 {1}
Nd6 {2} 57. Kh1 {1} Ra8 {2} 58. Kg1 {0} Raf8 {3} 59. Kh1 {1} Qe8 {2} 60. Kg1 {1
} Be7 {1} 61. Kh1 {1} Ne4 {1} 62. Kg1 {1} Nd6 {1} 63. Kh1 {1} Qf7 {1} 64. Kg1 {
2} Qg7 {3} 65. Kh1 {1} Rc8 {2} 66. Kg1 {1} Kb6 {1} 67. Kh1 {1} Kc6 {1} 68. Kg1
{1} Qf7 {1} 69. Kh1 {1} Ra8 {1} 70. Kg1 {1} Ne4 {2} 71. Kh1 {1} Kb6 {1} 72. Kg1
{1} Rg7 {0} 73. Kh1 {1} h6 {1} 74. Kg1 {2} Bf6 {1} 75. Kh1 {1} Kc7 {1} 76. Kg1
{1} Kb7 {0} 77. Kh1 {1} Rd8 {1} 78. Kg1 {0} h5 {1} 79. Kh1 {1} Rgg8 {1} 80. Kg1
{1} Rc8 {1} 81. Kh1 {0} Qe7 {1} 82. Kg1 {1} Rg7 {0} 83. Kh1 {1} Kc6 {1} 84. Kg1
{1} Kb6 {1} 85. Kh1 {0} Qd8 {1} 86. Kg1 {0} Nd6 {1} 87. Kh1 {0} Ra8 {1} 88. Kg1
{0} Qe7 {0} 89. Kh1 {1} Rag8 {1} 90. Kg1 {1} Rd8 {1} 91. Kh1 {1} Qf7 {1} 92.
Kg1 {0} Be7 {1} 93. Kh1 {1} Ne4 {1} 94. Kg1 {1} Bf6 {1} 95. Kh1 {0} Rgg8 {1}
96. Kg1 {0} Qe7 {1} 97. Kh1 {0} Kc6 {1} 98. Kg1 {2} Kb7 {1} 99. Kh1 {1} Rdf8 {0
} 100. Kg1 {1} Qd8 {1} 101. Kh1 {1} Rf7 {0} 102. Kg1 {1} Rh7 {1} 103. Kh1 {1}
Kb6 {0} 104. Kg1 {1} Rb7 {1} 105. Kh1 {1} Rc7 {0} 106. Kg1 {1} Rgg7 {0} 107.
Kh1 {1} Qe8 {0} 108. Kg1 {1} Kb7 {0} 109. Qd1 {2} Rc8 {1} 110. Rc2 {2} Kc7 {1}
111. Qe2 {1} Nd6 {0} 112. Kh1 {1} Kb7 {0} 113. Kg1 {1} Rg8 {1} 114. Kh1 {0} Qd7
{1} 115. Kg1 {0} Kb6 {0} 116. Kh1 {0} Qf7 {0} 117. Kg1 {0} Rg7 {0} 118. Kh1 {0}
Qe8 {0} 119. Kg1 {0} Rcc7 {1} 120. Kh1 {1} Kb7 {1} 121. Kg1 {1} Kb8 {0} 122.
Kh1 {1} Ne4 {0} 123. Kg1 {1} Qe7 {0} 124. Kh1 {1} Rc8 {0} 125. Kg1 {1} Re8 {0}
126. Kh1 {1} Qd8 {0} 127. Kg1 {1} Bxh4 {0} 128. gxh4 {1} Kc7 {0} 129. Bg3 {0}
Na1 {0} 130. Rc1 {6} Nb3 {0} 131. Rc2 {0} Rh7 {0} 132. Qe1 {2} Kb7 {0} 133. Kh1
{1} Reh8 {0} 134. Kg1 {0} Qe8 {0} 135. Kh1 {1} Rc7 {0} 136. Kg1 {0} Qd7 {0}
137. Kh1 {1} Rcc8 {0} 138. Kg1 {1} Qf7 {0} 139. Kh1 {1} Qf6 {0} 140. Kg1 {1}
Kb6 {0} 141. Kh1 {1} Rcg8 {0} 142. Kg1 {1} Rf8 {0} 143. Kh1 {1} Qe7 {0} 144.
Kg1 {1} Rhg8 {0} 145. Kh1 {1} Rc8 {0} 146. Kg1 {1} Qh7 {0} 147. Kh1 {1} Rc7 {0}
148. Nd2 {8} Nf6 {1} 149. Nb1 {2} Ne4 {0} 150. Kg1 {2} Na1 {0} 151. Rc1 {9} Nb3
{0} 152. Rcc2 {1} Qf7 {0} 153. Kh1 {1} Na1 {0} 154. Rc1 {1} Nb3 {0} 155. Rcc2 {
1} Qe8 {0} 156. Kg1 {1} Rh7 {0} 157. Kh1 {2} Na1 {0} 158. Rc1 {2} Nb3 {0} 159.
Rcc2 {1} Qd7 {0} 160. Kg1 {1} Rhh8 {0} 161. Kh1 {1} Ra8 {0} 162. Kg1 {1} Qe7 {0
} 163. Kh1 {1} Na1 {0} 164. Rc1 {1} Nb3 {0} 165. Rcc2 {1} Rh7 {0} 166. Kg1 {1}
Kb7 {0} 167. Kh1 {1} Rhh8 {0} 168. Kg1 {1} Nd6 {0} 169. Kh1 {1} Rhg8 {0} 170.
Kg1 {1} Ne4 {0} 171. Kh1 {1} Rgc8 {0} 172. Kg1 {1} Kc6 {0} 173. Kh1 {1} Kd7 {0}
174. Kg1 {1} Na5 {0} 175. Kh1 {1} Nb7 {0} 176. Kg1 {1} Rh8 {0} 177. Kh1 {1} b4
{0} 178. axb4 {1} Nbd6 {0} 179. Na3 {1} Ke8 {0} 180. Qc1 {3} Kf7 {0} 181. Kg1 {
1} Qd7 {0} 182. Kh1 {2} Kg7 {0} 183. Kg1 {1} Rhb8 {0} 184. Kh1 {2} Rb7 {0} 185.
Kg1 {1} Nf6 {0} 186. Qe1 {2} Nde4 {0} 187. Kh1 {1} Kg6 {0} 188. Kg1 {0} Rh8 {0}
189. Kh1 {1} Rhb8 {0} 190. Kg1 {1} Ra7 {0} 191. Kh1 {1} Ne8 {0} 192. Kg1 {1}
N8d6 {0} 193. Kh1 {7} Qe8 {0} 194. Kg1 {1} Qd7 {0} 195. Kh1 {1} Kh7 {0} 196.
Kg1 {1} Rba8 {0} 197. Kh1 {1} Ne8 {0} 198. Kg1 {1} Rb7 {0} 199. Kh1 {1} N8f6 {0
} 200. Kg1 {1} Rg8 {0} 201. Kh1 {1} Ra7 {0} 202. Kg1 {1} Kg6 {0} 203. Kh1 {1}
Raa8 {0} 204. Kg1 {1} Rgf8 {0} 205. Kh1 {1} Ne8 {0} 206. Kg1 {1} Kf6 {0} 207.
Kh1 {1} N8d6 {0} 208. Kg1 {1} Qc6 {0} 209. Kh1 {1} Kg7 {0} 210. Kg1 {1} Qa6 {0}
211. Kh1 {1} Qa7 {0} 212. Rge2 {1} Rfd8 {0} 213. Kg2 {1} Kg6 {0} 214. Kg1 {1}
Qe7 {0} 215. Kg2 {0} Rf8 {0} 216. Kg1 {1} Ra7 {0} 217. Kg2 {1} Rb8 {0} 218. Kg1
{1} Rbb7 {0} 219. Kg2 {0} Qe8 {0} 220. Kg1 {1} Nb5 {0} 221. Qa1 {12} Rb8 {0}
222. Kg2 {3} Kf7 {0} 223. Kg1 {1} Ke7 {0} 224. Kg2 {1} Kd7 {0} 225. Kg1 {1} Kc7
{0} 226. Kg2 {0} Nxa3 {0} 227. bxa3 {1} Kb6 {0} 228. Ra2 {2} Rg7 {0} 229. Qc1 {
1} Rbb7 {0} 230. Qc2 {0} Qb5 {0} 231. Kg1 {1} Qd7 {0} 232. Kg2 {0} Rg8 {0} 233.
Kg1 {0} Ka7 {0} 234. Kg2 {0} Qb5 {0} 235. Kg1 {1} Rf7 {0} 236. Kg2 {0} Rff8 {0}
237. Kg1 {1} Rb8 {0} 238. Kg2 {0} Kb6 {0} 239. Kg1 {1} Rb7 {0} 240. Kg2 {0} Ra7
{0} 241. Rd2 {1} Nxd2 {0} 242. Qxd2 {0} Qd7 {0} 243. Kf1 {1} Raa8 {0} 244. Kg1
{1} Rgf8 {0} 245. Kg2 {0} Rab8 {0} 246. Kg1 {0} Rbc8 {0} 247. Kg2 {0} Qe8 {0}
248. Rb2 {0} Kb7 {0} 249. Kg1 {0} Rb8 {0} 250. Kg2 {0} Kb6 {0} 251. Kg1 {0} Ra8
{0} 252. Kg2 {0} Rf7 {0} 253. Kg1 {0} Qe7 {0} 254. Kg2 {0} Rg7 {0} 255. Kg1 {0}
Rgg8 {0} 256. Kg2 {0} Rgf8 {0} 257. Kg1 {0} Ra6 {0} 258. Kg2 {0} Rh8 {0} 259.
Kg1 {0} Raa8 {0} 260. Kg2 {0} Rhf8 {0} 261. Kg1 {0} Rg8 {0} 262. Kg2 {1} Qf7 {0
} 263. Kg1 {0} Rge8 {0} 264. Kg2 {0} Rf8 {0} 265. Kg1 {0} Rg8 {0} 266. Kg2 {0}
Qe7 {0} 267. Kg1 {0} Rg6 {0} 268. Kg2 {0} Rh8 {0} 269. Kg1 {0} Ra8 {0} 270. Kg2
{0} Ra7 {0} 271. Kg1 {0} Rg7 {0} 272. Kg2 {0} Qd8 {0} 273. Kg1 {0} Qe7 {0} 274.
Kg2 {0} Ra8 {0} 275. Kg1 {0} Qe8 {0} 276. Kg2 {0} Rc7 {0} 277. Kg1 {0} Ra6 {0}
278. Kg2 {0} Qe7 {0} 279. Kg1 {0} Raa7 {0} 280. Kg2 {0} Ra8 {0} 281. Kg1 {0}
Rb7 {0} 282. Kg2 {0} Qe8 {0} 283. Kg1 {0} Rc8 {0} 284. Kg2 {0} Qc6 {0} 285. Kg1
{0} Rg7 {0} 286. Kf2 {1} Qd7 {0} 287. Kg1 {0} Ra8 {0} 288. Kg2 {0} Qe7 {
0 (Lag: Av=0.82s, max=3.4s)} 1/2-1/2

Here the game:
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: Father versus Deepblue in the ocean. September 04/2019.. Open letter to Garry Kasparov

Post by Father » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:10 am

I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: Father versus Deepblue in the ocean. September 04/2019.. Open letter to Garry Kasparov

Post by supersharp77 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:07 am

Father wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:17 pm
September 04, 2019

Open letter to Garry Kasparov.


Deep blue was a part of a crucial moment in the history of mankind. The great and great Gary Kasparov faced the power of the machine and economic corporations. The role played by the world champion was extraordinary. Today I wonder if the valuation parameters between game and game were modified. If the answer was affirmative, only that is sufficient reason to disqualify to the computer and remove or dispose of the title doping.

The doping would then be the intervention of the human by changing the lines of play in the course of the confrontation.

I believe that all chess programmers have a moral responsibility to humanity. Scientists and computer programmers of chess must tell us through the study of the games if the value system between them has differences.

I would like to have a deep blue today in front of me; I know it would be a lot of scrap metal. The problem is that IBM shares would fall to their worst historical value.

Please scientific sirs: Help us. Were the valuation systems changed in that historic match? If the answer is, YES THEY WERE, "if they were", and they were not automatically changed by the machine, that match for me was a terrible fraud and ambush against the always great and virtuous Garry Kasparov, who was then a victim of ambush.

Sincerely,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Yes... We All Would Love to Challenge the Legendary IBM "Deep Blue"........


[Event "New York"]
[Site "New York"]
[Date "1997.??.??"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Deep Blue <computer>"]
[Black "Kasparov, Garik <RUS GM>"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B17"]
[WhiteElo "2900"]
[BlackElo "2800"]
[PlyCount "37"]



Deep Blues 'Famous move 8. Nxe6 !!' Shook Kasparov to the Core...Unnerved he lost quickly in only 19 moves!
Kasparov fans to Father Ignacio.. "Locking up the position and trying to win on time probably is not a winning strategy vs 'Deep Blue"... :) :wink:

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Re: Father versus Deepblue in the ocean. September 04/2019.. Open letter to Garry Kasparov

Post by BrendanJNorman » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:14 am

supersharp77 wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:07 am

Deep Blues 'Famous move 8. Nxe6 !!' Shook Kasparov to the Core...Unnerved he lost quickly in only 19 moves!
8.Nxe6 was in DB's opening book, so I wouldn't give it !! - since the move wasn't stumbled upon by the computer independently.

Even Kasparov was aware of this move, and in fact, it is not winning...there are chances for both sides.

Nxe6 had already been played dozens of times in tournament play and Kasparov was the leading opening theoretician of the day - it's naive to think he was unaware of it.

My feeling is that in his preparation, Kasparov came across a game between Fritz and GM Timoschenko which was drawn...



I suppose Kasparov reasoned "I'm much stronger than Timoshenko and Fritz is more or less the same level as DB - I'll go for this line and have good chances of success."

It was Kasparov's paranoia and low EQ (too busy huffing and puffing and muttering to himself, to clear his head and assess the position) which led to his horrible play and fast loss.
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Re: Father versus Deepblue in the ocean. September 04/2019.. Open letter to Garry Kasparov

Post by BrendanJNorman » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:20 am

Father wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:17 pm
the always great and virtuous Garry Kasparov, who was then a victim of ambush.
What makes Kasparov virtuous besides the hard work he put into his chess?

As a person, he is narracistic, mean-spirited and politically disingenuous.

I was a HUGE fan of his chess in my teens when he was active - but outside of chess, there seems to be no virtue I can see.

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