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Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:35 pm
by Nordlandia
This position is a composed chess study. It's very hard for the human eye to solve this because it's a mess.

Leela have a hard time here. Stockfish is better here.



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Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:09 pm
by shrapnel
Any chance of Fat Fritz being sold as a standalone Program in the near future ?

Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:18 pm
by Ovyron
jp wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:21 am
No, I'm not talking about engine games against other engines.
But M ANSARI IS talking about engine games against other engines. He specifically mentions games between Leela and SF, where Leela wins by playing moves SF wouldn't have found or played.

Figures we could never agree on anything if we're talking about different things.

Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:34 pm
by jp
Ovyron wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:18 pm
But M ANSARI IS talking about engine games against other engines. He specifically mentions games between Leela and SF, where Leela wins by playing moves SF wouldn't have found or played.

Figures we could never agree on anything if we're talking about different things.
Engine-engine games (which if lost the same engines have no problem finding errors in afterwards) are not the subject of his original claim, which specifically said "when analyzing a game or a certain move", "giving the chess player", etc. (He just pivoted to lost engine-engine games to try to support the original claim.) I'll quote it here.

M ANSARI wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:17 am
The point being that when analyzing a game or a certain move, an NN engine might find moves that even the strongest AB can't,thus giving the chess player an extra dimension in checking out moves that would have otherwise been missed.
Analyzing positions and moves on this forum has not shown any examples of that so far.

Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:14 pm
by dannyb
Anyone knows whether there will ever be a Fritz 17?

Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:03 pm
by Paloma
Yes, me. :)

https://imgur.com/keZjWsF

12 Nov. 2019

Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:23 pm
by Ovyron
Fritz 17 will probably only work in modern computers and will force me to to install the 32bit version, right? I'll pass.

Vas, you have failed me.

Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:08 am
by MikeGL
Nordlandia wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:35 pm
This position is a composed chess study. It's very hard for the human eye to solve this because it's a mess.

Leela have a hard time here. Stockfish is better here.



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Thanks for the position.
Maybe my analysis was shallow.
SF said if Black-To-Move then it is a draw, if White-to-Move then white wins.

Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:29 pm
by Paloma
Found on http://vlasak.biz/evcnews.htm
Eine große Überraschung ist der Motor, bei dem es sich um Fat Fritz handeln wird, modifizierte LC0.
ChessBase tötet mehrere Fliegen mit einem Schuss.
- Er wird Vasek Rajlich los, der den Motor nicht entwickelt, sondern nur seinen Namen wieder verkauft hat.
- Gibt TCEC eine echte Chance, in die Premium Division aufzusteigen.
- Es wird sich großartig verkaufen.

Wenn der Benutzer keine teuren Grafikkarten hat, ist die Engine auf einem herkömmlichen Prozessor leider sehr schwach.
Über die Alternative ist noch nichts geschrieben.

Neueren Trends zufolge wird nur Windows 10 unterstützt.
:lol: :wink:

Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:16 pm
by tmokonen
So, is ChessBase planning to distribute the source for LC0, er DeusX, er Fat Fritz?