longest 6-man EGTB win
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longest 6-man EGTB win
Anyone have a list of positions of the longest 6-man EGTB wins that meet 50 move rule requirements? I.E. no cursed wins allowed
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Re: longest 6-man EGTB win
This simple 1-liner on my syzygy folder (with some 7-men files and only searching for exactly 100 ply wins) gives:
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G:\syzygy>findstr /C:"100 ply;" *.txt
KBBBvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/8/8/8/8/8/k1K1B3/1q1B3B w - -
KBBBvKR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/8/5B2/8/2r5/8/BK1k1B2 w - -
KBBNvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/8/4B3/8/2B5/8/7N/1K1kq3 w - -
KBBNvKR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/B1r5/8/8/8/8/B7/1K1kN3 w - -
KBBPvKN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; n7/8/8/5k2/8/1PB5/8/K1B5 b - -
KBBPvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/3q3B/P7/K7/8/8/8/5k1B w - -
KBBPvKR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 7B/7B/P7/8/k7/8/4r3/K7 b - -
KBBvKN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; B7/8/8/8/8/8/8/nKBk4 b - -
KBBvKNP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/8/p7/BB6/7n/8/K2k4 b - -
KBBvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 4q3/8/8/8/1BB5/8/8/1K1k4 w - -
KBNPvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/1BP5/8/4q3/2KN4/8/4k3/8 b - -
KBNPvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/8/P3q3/1B6/8/N7/8/K2k4 w - -
KBNPvKR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 4k3/8/P1r5/8/1N6/8/6B1/4K3 b - -
KBNPvKRP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/P7/8/8/3B4/2N3r1/6p1/K1k5 b - -
KBNPvKRP.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; BN2k3/8/8/8/P2K4/8/7p/3r4 w - -
KBNvKN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/8/8/8/8/1nB5/kNK5 b - -
KBPPvKN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 5n2/2k1B3/P7/4K3/8/8/2P5/8 b - -
KBPPvKNP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/2n5/p7/P5k1/1P6/8/B7/K7 b - -
KBPPvKRP.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/p7/8/1P6/k1r5/8/4P3/KB6 w - -
KNNNvKB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 7N/8/8/8/8/2b5/8/1K1k1N1N w - -
KNNNvKN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 7N/8/8/4n3/7N/8/8/1K1k1N2 b - -
KNNPvKB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/1N6/6b1/2P5/8/8/8/K1k1N3 b - -
KNNPvKN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 4N3/8/2N5/1P6/2n5/2k5/8/3K4 b - -
KNNPvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/8/7q/8/P6N/8/2N4k/K7 w - -
KNNvKP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/8/5N2/8/p7/8/2NK3k w - -
KNNvKPP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/p7/Np6/8/8/8/KNk5 w - -
KNNvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/8/q7/3N4/8/8/N7/1K1k4 w - -
KNPPvKNP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 1k6/8/4P3/p7/P7/1n6/8/N4K2 b - -
KPPPvKBP.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/1p6/8/P7/1Pk5/Pb6/7K/8 w - -
KQBBvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 3B4/B7/6q1/4Q3/8/8/8/1K1k4 w - -
KQBNvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/2q5/7B/8/Nk6/8/8/Q1K5 w - -
KQBPvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; Q7/P6k/7B/8/8/8/2q5/K7 b - -
KQBvKQP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 3K4/8/8/8/BQ6/p7/8/q2k4 b - -
KQBvKQP.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/8/B7/8/K3q3/2k5/2p5/2Q5 w - -
KQBvKRR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 7Q/8/8/r7/4k3/7B/8/rK6 w - -
KQNNvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; NN3q2/8/8/8/8/8/Q7/1K2k3 w - -
KQNPvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 1Q6/P7/1N6/8/8/8/8/2q1k1K1 b - -
KQNvKQP.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 5N2/8/8/8/1Q6/3q4/p7/k3K3 w - -
KQNvKRR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 2Q5/8/8/8/r3r3/8/8/NK1k4 w - -
KQPPvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/PP6/8/8/1q6/8/2Q5/K6k b - -
KQPPvKQP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/P1P5/8/q7/8/1Q6/p7/1k1K4 b - -
KQPPvKQP.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/8/P7/1q6/4P3/6Q1/p7/k4K2 w - -
KQPvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 6k1/P7/8/Q7/8/8/2q5/K7 b - -
KQPvKQP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/P4q2/1Q6/8/p7/7k/8/K7 b - -
KQPvKQP.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; q7/8/8/P7/3Q4/5K2/p7/4k3 w - -
KQPvKRB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/P7/2b5/8/1r1k4/8/K6Q b - -
KQPvKRN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/5n2/8/4r3/1Pk4Q/8/8/2K5 b - -
KQPvKRP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 1KQ5/r7/8/8/2P5/8/7p/4k3 b - -
KQPvKRR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 1r2k3/8/2P5/8/2Q5/5r2/4K3/8 b - -
KQQvKQB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 7k/8/6Q1/5Q2/8/8/8/1K2b2q b - -
KQQvKQN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; QQ6/8/8/8/8/8/8/K1kqn3 b - -
KQQvKQR.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 5Q2/6Q1/8/7k/8/1r6/8/2K4q w - -
KQRNvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; QR6/N7/8/8/6k1/8/3q4/1K6 b - -
KQRPvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; Q7/P7/8/5q2/8/8/3R4/K5k1 b - -
KQRvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 1R5Q/8/6k1/q7/8/8/8/1K6 b - -
KQRvKQB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/8/8/2Q5/3Rb3/8/1K1k2q1 b - -
KQRvKQN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/3Q3R/8/8/8/8/7n/1K1k3q b - -
KQRvKQP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/8/3q4/Q7/6R1/p7/4k1K1 b - -
KQRvKQR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 7q/5Q2/8/3R4/r7/8/8/1K1k4 b - -
KQRvKQR.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/8/8/3QR3/1r6/7q/8/1K3k2 w - -
KRBNvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/1q6/8/1B6/8/4R3/1N6/1K1k4 b - -
KRBPvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; q6k/P1R5/8/4B3/8/8/8/1K6 b - -
KRBPvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/5q2/3k4/3P4/R7/8/B7/5K2 w - -
KRBPvKR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/P7/2k5/8/3r4/2R5/8/K3B3 b - -
KRBPvKRB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/P7/8/3b1r2/3R4/8/8/K1kB4 b - -
KRBvKBB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 4b3/5b2/8/8/8/2B5/3R4/1K1k4 b - -
KRBvKBN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/8/8/8/8/R7/nKBk1b2 b - -
KRBvKNN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 3R4/8/8/8/8/8/6B1/nK1kn3 b - -
KRBvKR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/8/4B1r1/5R2/8/8/k1K5 b - -
KRNPvKBN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/N7/RP6/3kbK2/4n3/8/8/8 b - -
KRNPvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 1q6/P7/8/R7/8/4N3/8/K6k b - -
KRNPvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/7k/7q/R7/8/P4K2/8/1N6 w - -
KRNPvKR.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/Pk1K4/R7/8/1r6/4N3/8/8 b - -
KRNvKBB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/8/6b1/8/b7/8/1KNk3R b - -
KRNvKBN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/3NR3/8/b7/8/8/1Knk4 w - -
KRNvKBP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 3K2b1/8/6R1/3k3N/8/1p6/8/8 b - -
KRNvKNN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 3n1n2/8/8/8/4R3/8/8/NK1k4 b - -
KRNvKNP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 7K/8/8/6Rn/8/3p4/8/2k4N b - -
KRPPvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/P7/P7/2k5/8/5K2/4R3/7q w - -
KRPPvKQP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; q6k/1P2P3/8/1R6/1p6/8/3K4/8 b - -
KRPPvKQP.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 5q2/2P5/8/7k/8/p7/P7/1K2R3 w - -
KRPPvKRN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/1r6/1P6/P6K/6n1/8/7k/1R6 b - -
KRPPvKRP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 2r5/8/8/2pP3K/2P5/3R2k1/8/8 b - -
KRPvKB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/K7/8/3P4/8/R3k3/7b/8 b - -
KRPvKBN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/P1n5/8/8/8/1b6/2k2R2/K7 b - -
KRPvKBP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 2R5/p7/P2b4/8/8/8/2k5/K7 b - -
KRPvKNP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/3R4/3p4/8/2P5/4k3/K5n1 b - -
KRPvKQ.txt:Longest win for black: 100 ply; 8/P7/8/5R2/k7/8/q6K/8 w - -
KRRBvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; R7/8/1q6/7R/8/8/8/1K1k3B w - -
KRRNvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/1q6/8/6R1/6R1/8/1K1k3N w - -
KRRPvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/P3R3/8/2R5/8/8/8/K1k2q2 b - -
KRRRvKQ.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 1R6/8/8/8/8/k7/1R5R/1K2q3 w - -
KRRvKRB.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 5R2/8/8/8/7r/5b2/8/kRK5 b - -
KRRvKRN.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/8/n3R3/8/8/8/3r4/1K2Rk2 b - -
KRRvKRP.txt:Longest win for white: 100 ply; 8/6r1/4R3/8/2R5/kp6/8/5K2 b - -
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Re: longest 6-man EGTB win
I don't think this is necessarily the right solution. The longest win could involve captures or pawn moves which reset the 50-moves counter.RubiChess wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:51 pmThis simple 1-liner on my syzygy folder (with some 7-men files and only searching for exactly 100 ply wins) gives:
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G:\syzygy>findstr /C:"100 ply;" *.txt
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Re: longest 6-man EGTB win
I think to do this accurately, you must have the complete Lomonosov files.
They have distance to mate.
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Re: longest 6-man EGTB win
Keep in mind that those are DTZ, not DTM.
But looking at the question carefully, the answer is probably correct for syzygy files.
Those are the most distant wins (they just aren't minimal).
But looking at the question carefully, the answer is probably correct for syzygy files.
Those are the most distant wins (they just aren't minimal).
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But sharing ideas is an even greater virtue. We have another word for this. It is called teaching.
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Re: longest 6-man EGTB win
I was afraid you were going to say something like that.Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:22 pmI think to do this accurately, you must have the complete Lomonosov files.
They have distance to mate.
I know there must be some mates that are well over 100 plies, I just need some examples. Preferably long ones.
I looked at all the "normal" EGTB sites and didn't find anything suitable.
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Re: longest 6-man EGTB win
I think it may be possible to get the statistics for the Lomonosov files.Zenmastur wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:43 pmI was afraid you were going to say something like that.Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:22 pmI think to do this accurately, you must have the complete Lomonosov files.
They have distance to mate.
I know there must be some mates that are well over 100 plies, I just need some examples. Preferably long ones.
I looked at all the "normal" EGTB sites and didn't find anything suitable.
Regards,
Zenmastur
Taking ideas is not a vice, it is a virtue. We have another word for this. It is called learning.
But sharing ideas is an even greater virtue. We have another word for this. It is called teaching.
But sharing ideas is an even greater virtue. We have another word for this. It is called teaching.
Re: longest 6-man EGTB win
But they don't take into account the 50-move rule. Whenever they show a mate in more than 50 moves, you can't really be sure about the number of moves it would take under the 50-move rule (it could be more, it could be less).Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:22 pmI think to do this accurately, you must have the complete Lomonosov files.
They have distance to mate.
I don't think the longest 6-men win that respects the 50-move rule is known.
Re: longest 6-man EGTB win
I was kind of thinking the same thing.syzygy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:01 pmBut they don't take into account the 50-move rule. Whenever they show a mate in more than 50 moves, you can't really be sure about the number of moves it would take under the 50-move rule (it could be more, it could be less).Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:22 pmI think to do this accurately, you must have the complete Lomonosov files.
They have distance to mate.
I don't think the longest 6-men win that respects the 50-move rule is known.
Regards,
Zenmastur
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