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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by Leo » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:38 pm

I find myself wondering what Bobby Fischer would think of the tournament bearing his name. I think he would have a huge amount of problems with it. He would want to be paid.
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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by Ovyron » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:32 pm

EroSennin wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm
Can you give any example lines for white and especially black?
Give me some popular lines you'd want alternatives to.

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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by lkaufman » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:17 am

Leo wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:38 pm
I find myself wondering what Bobby Fischer would think of the tournament bearing his name. I think he would have a huge amount of problems with it. He would want to be paid.
Perhaps that's why it was usually called chess 960 during his lifetime and shortly after, as well as Fischer's political views and racial/religious bigotry. Now that no one is worried about a lawsuit, they seem to be returning to the Fischer Random name. I think the Fischer Random name is more appealing to new players than chess 960.
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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by EroSennin » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:33 am

Ovyron wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:32 pm
EroSennin wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm
Can you give any example lines for white and especially black?
Give me some popular lines you'd want alternatives to.
Any line is fine. For example can you find any rare alternatives for black in any of these lines at any point?

1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 0-0 9. h3 Na5

1.e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be3 Be7 8. Qd2 0-0

1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. g3 Be7 5. Bg2 0-0 6. 0-0 dxc4 7. Ne5 Nc6

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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by Chessqueen » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:01 pm

Modern Times wrote:
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:37 pm
So Wesley So becomes the World champion by an incredible score of 13.5 to 2.5 over Magnus Carlsen..
That is incredible !
I do NOT see anything incredible about that, it could be that Carlsen knows the openings and most variations up to the middle games deep deep enough better than any other top player, but when you disarm him of his GREAT opening knowledge he got what he got 13.5 to 2.5.

PS: GM Wesley So is so polite that on his interview he made Carlsen feel better about himself by saying if this was Normal standard chess Carlsen would had destroy me, but the fact is that in this category of Fischer Random Chess GM So is a better player plus the fact that GM Wesley play thousands of games on Chess.com and that is where he got such intensive FRC Opening awareness and know how to properly open a FRC Game. In reality GM Wesley did not had to make Carlsen feel better he should had say in this type of Chess variant I am the best player, but Carlsen has the potential to beat me with more practices. Simply check GM Wesley Chess.com account and see for yourself how many FRC games he played on the past :lol: :roll: :mrgreen:

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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by jp » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:30 pm

lkaufman wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:17 am
Leo wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:38 pm
I find myself wondering what Bobby Fischer would think of the tournament bearing his name. I think he would have a huge amount of problems with it. He would want to be paid.
Perhaps that's why it was usually called chess 960 during his lifetime and shortly after, as well as Fischer's political views and racial/religious bigotry. Now that no one is worried about a lawsuit, they seem to be returning to the Fischer Random name. I think the Fischer Random name is more appealing to new players than chess 960.
I don't think lawsuits were ever an issue. e.g. He complained about the book and film "Searching for Bobby Fischer", but there were not lawsuits.

I think it was just the organizers' beliefs about Fischer. Some, especially in the US, thought his political views made it harmful having his name attached to the game. Others, especially in Scandinavian countries, wanted to honor him by having his name attached to the game.

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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by Leo » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:25 pm

lkaufman wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:17 am
Leo wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:38 pm
I find myself wondering what Bobby Fischer would think of the tournament bearing his name. I think he would have a huge amount of problems with it. He would want to be paid.
Perhaps that's why it was usually called chess 960 during his lifetime and shortly after, as well as Fischer's political views and racial/religious bigotry. Now that no one is worried about a lawsuit, they seem to be returning to the Fischer Random name. I think the Fischer Random name is more appealing to new players than chess 960.
Good perceptive points. I agree that the name appeals more. It does for me.
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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by Leo » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:31 pm

jp wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:30 pm
lkaufman wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:17 am
Leo wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:38 pm
I find myself wondering what Bobby Fischer would think of the tournament bearing his name. I think he would have a huge amount of problems with it. He would want to be paid.
Perhaps that's why it was usually called chess 960 during his lifetime and shortly after, as well as Fischer's political views and racial/religious bigotry. Now that no one is worried about a lawsuit, they seem to be returning to the Fischer Random name. I think the Fischer Random name is more appealing to new players than chess 960.
I don't think lawsuits were ever an issue. e.g. He complained about the book and film "Searching for Bobby Fischer", but there were not lawsuits.

I think it was just the organizers' beliefs about Fischer. Some, especially in the US, thought his political views made it harmful having his name attached to the game. Others, especially in Scandinavian countries, wanted to honor him by having his name attached to the game.
I remember he wanted to be paid by Russia for book royalties from his book My 60 Memorable Games before he would consider a match with Garry Kasparov. 1992 was an exciting time in chess for me. I was really interested in Fischer. That was before all of his ranting and raving later on.
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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by jp » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:41 pm

Leo wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:31 pm
I remember he wanted to be paid by Russia for book royalties from his book My 60 Memorable Games before he would consider a match with Garry Kasparov.
He was also upset at the Englishmen in the chess publishing industry who were editing an edition of that book for stuffing it up and making him look like a fool (because it wasn't clear the stuff-ups were their "editing", not his mistakes). I don't think John Nunn has ever apologized for that.

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Re: World Fischer Random Championship

Post by Ovyron » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:51 pm

EroSennin wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:33 am
Any line is fine. For example can you find any rare alternatives for black in any of these lines at any point?

1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 0-0 9. h3 Na5

1.e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be3 Be7 8. Qd2 0-0

1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. g3 Be7 5. Bg2 0-0 6. 0-0 dxc4 7. Ne5 Nc6
Sure, the trick is that you don't need to find a good rare alternative, you can find a good common alternative, and then deviate with a good rare one later on. Here's the lines (exclamation marks denote the moves to play to get into the rare positions, not that these moves are best.)

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 Na5! 9. Bc2 c5 10. d4 exd4! (rare)

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be3 Be7 8. Qd2 Qb6! (rare)

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. g3 Be7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O dxc4 7. Ne5 c5! 8. dxc5 Bxc5! 9. Nc3 Qe7 10. Bg5 Nbd7! (rare)
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. g3 Be7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O dxc4 7. Ne5 c5 8. dxc5 Bxc5 9. Nxc4 Qe7! (rare)

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