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MOBMAT
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Mate in 11 or not?

Post by MOBMAT » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:28 pm

I found this position in a list which can be found in the old Winboard post (see below) about half way down the page. The position is part of a list of positions designate as part of a collection denoted by IQ.xxxx

http://www.open-aurec.com/wbforum/viewt ... 18&t=34893

I had it in my own list of positions as a mate in 11. Not sure how I arrived at that, but when I attempt to solve it using over 40 of some of the best engines on the CCRL 40/40 list, not one of them could resolve it as a mate in 11, given 30 minutes to crunch on it. My guess is that it is a mate in 13.

Any takers on trying to find the correct mate score? I'm going to run Chest 5.2 on it over night, but it could take some time.

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Ignacio
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Re: Mate in 11 or not?

Post by Ignacio » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:15 pm

Try Fire 7.1

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Re: Mate in 11 or not?

Post by MikeB » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:40 pm

MOBMAT wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:28 pm
I found this position in a list which can be found in the old Winboard post (see below) about half way down the page. The position is part of a list of positions designate as part of a collection denoted by IQ.xxxx

http://www.open-aurec.com/wbforum/viewt ... 18&t=34893

I had it in my own list of positions as a mate in 11. Not sure how I arrived at that, but when I attempt to solve it using over 40 of some of the best engines on the CCRL 40/40 list, not one of them could resolve it as a mate in 11, given 30 minutes to crunch on it. My guess is that it is a mate in 13.

Any takers on trying to find the correct mate score? I'm going to run Chest 5.2 on it over night, but it could take some time.

Mate-in-13 her after a short search using Black Diamond - mate-in11 appears to be unlikely.

Once all the hash is used up, it will be slow going. Black-Diamond-XR7

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go mate 11 searchmoves d4d1
Confirmation: hash set to 48000
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info depth 41 currmove d4d1 currmovenumber 1
info depth 41 seldepth 25 multipv 1 score mate 13 nodes 2443764281 nps 30416642 hashfull 887 tbhits 0 time 80343 pv d4d1 f2f4 d1f1 f4e4 f1a1 h2g2 c4c3 b2c3 b7e4 g2f2 b4c3 g5g6 c3c2 g6g7 c2c1q g7h8q c8d7 h8c8 d7c8 e2a6 c8b8 a6f1 c1e1 f2g1 e1g3
info depth 42 currmove d4d1 currmovenumber 1
info depth 42 seldepth 25 multipv 1 score mate 13 nodes 3204953890 nps 29698322 hashfull 952 tbhits 0 time 107917 pv d4d1 f2f4 d1f1 f4e4 f1a1 h2g2 c4c3 b2c3 b7e4 g2f2 b4c3 g5g6 c3c2 g6g7 e5g4 e2g4 c2c1q g7h8q c8b7 h8c8 b7c8 g4e6 f7e6 f2e2 c1e1
info depth 43 currmove d4d1 currmovenumber 1
info depth 43 seldepth 25 multipv 1 score mate 13 nodes 5875941633 nps 29166501 hashfull 994 tbhits 0 time 201462 pv d4d1 f2f4 d1f1 f4e4 f1a1 h2g2 c4c3 b2c3 b7e4 g2f2 b4c3 g5g6 c3c2 g6g7 c2c1q g7h8q c8d7 h8c8 d7c8 e2a6 c8b8 a6f1 c1e1 f2g1 e1g3
info depth 44 currmove d4d1 currmovenumber 1
info depth 44 seldepth 25 multipv 1 score mate 13 nodes 7380189711 nps 28973166 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 254725 pv d4d1 f2f4 d1f1 f4e4 f1a1 h2g2 c4c3 b2c3 b7e4 g2f2 b4c3 g5g6 c3c2 g6g7 c2c1q g7h8q c8d7 h8c8 d7c8 e2a6 c8b8 a6f1 c1e1 f2g1 e1g3
info depth 45 currmove d4d1 currmovenumber 1
also tried it using 7 men syzygy - nada

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info depth 47 seldepth 25 multipv 1 score mate 13 nodes 7340797031 nps 28577979 hashfull 940 tbhits 41272 time 256869 pv d4d1 f2f4 d1f1 f4e4 f1a1 h2g2 c4c3 b2c3 b4c3 e2f3 e5f3 g2f2 b7e4 g5g6 e4g6 f2f3 c3c2 a4a5 c2c1q g3g4 c1f1 f3g3 a1a3 g3h2 h8h4
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Re: Mate in 11 or not?

Post by MOBMAT » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:28 pm

Fire 7.1 was tried...

Fire quickly finds M11, but then changes it's mind to M12 and finally to M13 where it remains for at least 30 minutes. It is one of a few engines I tried that report mates "backwards" from how most engines do it. Most engines find longer mates first then reduce the mate score to the final solution over time. I'm not sure how Fire's search works, though. If that kind of search behavior has a name, I would like to know what it is!
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Re: Mate in 11 or not?

Post by MOBMAT » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:29 pm

Is black diamond available? A search for it came up empty.
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Re: Mate in 11 or not?

Post by Scally » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:37 pm

MOBMAT wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:29 pm
Is black diamond available? A search for it came up empty.
https://github.com/MichaelB7/Stockfish/releases

Michael, I had just got the same result as you on BlackDiamond when you posted, it took about 20 minutes on my Raspberry Pi.


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Re: Mate in 11 or not?

Post by Ovyron » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:29 am

MOBMAT wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:29 pm
Is black diamond available? A search for it came up empty.
It's because the title of the release's thread is called "Happy Thanksgiving", so I guess people that don't care about Thanksgiving missed the release.

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Re: Mate in 11 or not?

Post by MikeB » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:45 am

Scally wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:37 pm
MOBMAT wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:29 pm
Is black diamond available? A search for it came up empty.
https://github.com/MichaelB7/Stockfish/releases

Michael, I had just got the same result as you on BlackDiamond when you posted, it took about 20 minutes on my Raspberry Pi.


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Re: Mate in 11 or not?

Post by MOBMAT » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:21 am

I just started a M13 search using Chest. Not sure how long it will take, only getting 950K/sec on my hardware.
Should give us the correct answer.

On a side note, has anyone attempted to create a MCTS Solver solution to search for mates in chess?
I was thinking about it recently and thought the score from the solver could be a mate score rather than just a W/D/L indicator. The selection process would be directed down the path with the best mate value.

Just an idea.
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Re: Mate in 11 or not?

Post by Dann Corbit » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:36 pm

What I would like to see is a proof search that uses gpus.
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