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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by Damir » Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:21 pm

Many thanks for the new engine Volodymyr. :)

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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by Wolfgang » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:27 pm

voffka wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:11 am
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Igel 2.4.0 at https://github.com/vshcherbyna/igel/releases/tag/2.4.0 (binaries for Raspberry Pi, Linux, macOS and Windows).

What's new:

- Implement singlular extensions
- Detect drop of score and using time more aggressively
- Remove IID and simplify search
- Do not tt cutoff on pv moves
- Simplification for nullmove pruning
- Simplification for connected pawn evalution
- Basic endgame knowledge to detect draw in eval/search
- Retune everything + decrease number of tunnable parameters from 2600 to 1500
- Apply LMR when at least one legal move has been played
- Decrease reductions in LMR for pv moves

Relative strength compared to previous versions of Igel in 60s+0.6s time control:

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os=linux
hash=256
tc=all/60+0.6
Score of Igel 2.4.0 64 POPCNT vs Igel 2.3.1 64 POPCNT: 266 - 170 - 564 [0.548] 1000
Elo difference: 33.46 +/- 14.19
Relative strength compared to Winter 0.7 BMI2 in CCRL 40/4 time control:

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os=windows
hash=256
tc=40/102
Score of Igel 2.4.0 64 POPCNT vs Winter 0.7 BMI2: 7 - 0 - 3  [0.850] 10
Relative strength compared to RubiChess 1.6 in CCRL 40/4 time control:

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os=windows
hash=256
tc=40/102
Score of Igel 2.4.0 64 POPCNT vs RubiChess 1.6: 5 - 2 - 4  [0.636] 11
Thanks :-)

But I have a problem concerning Ponder.
2.3.1 and 2.1.0: works perfectly
2.4.0: Ponder does not work and there is no option when I start the .exe in the console.

Would be nice If you could check.

Thanks again ;)
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Wolfgang
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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by voffka » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:20 pm

Hello Wolfgang,
Wolfgang wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:27 pm

Thanks :-)

But I have a problem concerning Ponder.
2.3.1 and 2.1.0: works perfectly
2.4.0: Ponder does not work and there is no option when I start the .exe in the console.

Would be nice If you could check.

Thanks again ;)
I remember xr_a_y telling me that ponder was not working well in Igel, in his test Igel lost all games to Minic but one, so I decided to disable the ponder support until I figure out what is wrong.

Taking into account that no major competition uses ponder and development/testing time is of the essence my main goal in Igel is to increase elo, hence now ponder is permanently disabled.

Once Igel reaches top 10 CCRL I will think of features like ponder or chess 960, but we are not quite there yet :)

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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by Wolfgang » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:24 pm

voffka wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:20 pm
Hello Wolfgang,

....

I remember xr_a_y telling me that ponder was not working well in Igel, in his test Igel lost all games to Minic but one, so I decided to disable the ponder support until I figure out what is wrong.
http://www.cegt.net/5Plus3Rating/BestVe ... EW/51.html

I don't know, what xr_a_y tested... :shock:
As you can see from the link above, we played 800 games including 100 vs. Minic 1.35 (!). 13 wins, 56 draws, 31 losses. Nothing to see like "Igel lost all games to Minic but one". Sorry to say, but the statement of xr_a_y is nonsense. No problems here with Shredder Classic and Arena 3.5.1 :(
Taking into account that no major competition uses ponder and development/testing time is of the essence my main goal in Igel is to increase elo, hence now ponder is permanently disabled.
I think CEGT is one of the "major competitions" resp. rating lists and we have two ponder lists.
But that's not the point. The point is that a well working feature/support was disabled for whatever reason. But ok, that's your decision.
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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by CMCanavessi » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:25 pm

voffka wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:20 pm
Hello Wolfgang,
Wolfgang wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:27 pm

Thanks :-)

But I have a problem concerning Ponder.
2.3.1 and 2.1.0: works perfectly
2.4.0: Ponder does not work and there is no option when I start the .exe in the console.

Would be nice If you could check.

Thanks again ;)
I remember xr_a_y telling me that ponder was not working well in Igel, in his test Igel lost all games to Minic but one, so I decided to disable the ponder support until I figure out what is wrong.

Taking into account that no major competition uses ponder and development/testing time is of the essence my main goal in Igel is to increase elo, hence now ponder is permanently disabled.

Once Igel reaches top 10 CCRL I will think of features like ponder or chess 960, but we are not quite there yet :)
I use ponder in my tournaments and never had any trouble with Igel.
Follow my tournament and some Leela gauntlets live at http://twitch.tv/ccls

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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by voffka » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:30 pm

Hey Wolfgang,
Wolfgang wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:24 pm
I think CEGT is one of the "major competitions" resp. rating lists and we have two ponder lists.
But that's not the point. The point is that a well working feature/support was disabled for whatever reason. But ok, that's your decision.
Sorry about that. I was actually not aware that CEGT has a ponder=on list, my fault. I will check what was wrong with ponder in Igel and try to fix it in upcoming versions.

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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by Wolfgang » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:04 am

Thanks, but there is nothing wrong with Ponder in Igel or positive spoken: Ponder works fine with Igel... :D

Additionally I started a testmatch with 2.3.1 under Arena 3.5.1. Of course I cannot watch and check every game but every time I came to the computer and watched for a while, it was all fine.

Ok then, no Igel with ponder, what a pity :(
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Wolfgang
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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by voffka » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:17 am

Don't worry Wolfgang, I will add ponder back very soon. I did not expect so much interest from people in Igel and especially in ponder mode :)

I am currently considering either to publish a 2.4.1 (soon) with ponder as it is or wait a couple of weeks and add some elo and add ponder.

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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by xr_a_y » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:56 am

Wolfgang wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:24 pm
I don't know, what xr_a_y tested... :shock:
As you can see from the link above, we played 800 games including 100 vs. Minic 1.35 (!). 13 wins, 56 draws, 31 losses. Nothing to see like "Igel lost all games to Minic but one". Sorry to say, but the statement of xr_a_y is nonsense. No problems here with Shredder Classic and Arena 3.5.1 :(
I think it was igel-220 under cutechess. When end-game is near, Igel starts to use too much time, and eventually lost on time.

Here's an example.

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[Event "My Tournament"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.03.27"]
[Round "4"]
[White "minic_1.35"]
[Black "igel-220"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A05"]
[GameDuration "00:01:42"]
[GameEndTime "2020-03-27T08:50:20.047 CET"]
[GameStartTime "2020-03-27T08:48:37.643 CET"]
[Opening "Reti Opening"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[Termination "time forfeit"]
[TimeControl "60+0.5"]

1. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 2. d4 {book} e6 {book} 3. e3 {book} c5 {book}
4. g3 {book} Nc6 {book} 5. Nc3 {book} d5 {book} 6. Bd2 {book} a6 {book}
7. Bd3 {book} c4 {book} 8. Be2 {book} Bd6 {book} 9. b3 {book} b5 {book}
10. bxc4 {book} bxc4 {book} 11. h4 {book} O-O {book} 12. h5 {book} h6 {book}
13. Rb1 {-1.15/17 2.8s} Qc7 {+1.15/15 1.6s} 14. O-O {-1.11/16 2.7s}
Rb8 {+1.12/15 1.3s} 15. Rxb8 {-1.12/18 1.6s} Nxb8 {+0.76/16 1.9s}
16. Nh2 {-0.99/18 2.6s} Bb7 {+0.82/16 1.2s} 17. Bf3 {-0.99/20 1.4s}
Ne4 {+0.80/16 1.3s} 18. Bxe4 {-1.04/18 1.4s} dxe4 {+1.06/16 1.6s}
19. Qe2 {-0.91/19 2.0s} Nd7 {+1.12/17 2.2s} 20. Rb1 {-0.89/18 0.34s}
Nf6 {+1.01/17 1.7s} 21. Nf1 {-0.92/19 2.3s} Nh7 {+0.88/16 1.2s}
22. Bc1 {-0.72/17 1.6s} Ng5 {+1.26/19 5.2s} 23. Nd2 {-0.77/17 2.2s}
Rc8 {+1.06/16 1.0s} 24. a3 {-0.75/16 1.4s} Ba8 {+1.29/17 1.1s}
25. Kg2 {-0.91/16 2.1s} Kh7 {+1.40/19 1.6s} 26. a4 {-1.09/14 1.7s}
Qa5 {+3.87/18 1.3s} 27. Bb2 {-3.70/16 2.0s} Bb4 {+4.23/20 1.2s}
28. Rh1 {-4.45/19 1.3s} Bxc3 {+5.22/18 1.1s} 29. Nxc4 {-4.42/22 1.2s}
Rxc4 {+5.54/19 1.2s} 30. Qxc4 {-4.60/20 1.9s} Bxb2 {+6.07/20 4.0s} 31. Qc5
Qxa4 {+6.34/24 37s} 32. c4 {Black loses on time} 1-0
This, of course, is not happening without pondering. Does it makes more sense ?

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Re: New engine releases 2020

Post by Wolfgang » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:14 am

voffka wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:17 am
Don't worry Wolfgang, I will add ponder back very soon. I did not expect so much interest from people in Igel and especially in ponder mode :)
:D
I am currently considering either to publish a 2.4.1 (soon) with ponder as it is or wait a couple of weeks and add some elo and add ponder.
First alternative would be fine as I just started a new tournament for our 5+3 list with Ponder=ON. My plan was to integrate 2.4.0 in this tournament but this did not work for known reason. I could do the same with 2.4.1 and share my experience with you. Arena 3.5.1 creates good log files btw. ;)
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Wolfgang
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