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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by Jouni » Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:12 pm

I have feeling, that big RAM is overrated with AB engines. When I tripled hash in testsuite (Arasan) engine was worse! And here SF goes to 70 plies with small hash http://www.fastgm.de/Initial_position1.html. Of course it might be useful in caching tablebases however.
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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by Raphexon » Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:36 pm

Jouni wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:12 pm
I have feeling, that big RAM is overrated with AB engines. When I tripled hash in testsuite (Arasan) engine was worse! And here SF goes to 70 plies with small hash http://www.fastgm.de/Initial_position1.html. Of course it might be useful in caching tablebases however.
A lot of RAM is useful for infinite analysis.

Ideal RAM for a given TC depends on a variety of factors.

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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by Modern Times » Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:01 pm

Jouni wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:12 pm
I have feeling, that big RAM is overrated with AB engines. When I tripled hash in testsuite (Arasan) engine was worse! And here SF goes to 70 plies with small hash http://www.fastgm.de/Initial_position1.html.
That has always been my view.
.

Opinions expressed here are my own, and not necessarily those of the CCRL Group.

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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by MikeB » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:48 am

Jouni wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:45 am
174.000.932 /128 threads pop :D :!: .
Dream Machine with 7 man syzygy on SSD,

Code: Select all

Base Price	$3,798.00
1× Walnut - Classical style in a rich brown finish	
Pop!_OS 19.10 (64-bit) with full-disk encryption	
1× 64 Cores 3990X (2.9 up to 4.3 GHz - 64 Cores - 128 Threads)	$2,949.00
1× 256 GB Quad Channel DDR4 @ 3000 MHz (8x 32GB)	$1,499.00
2 TB NVMe Seq Read: 3,500 MB/s, Seq Write: 3,300 MB/s	$529.00
No Additional M.2 Performance Storage	
20 TB SSD Seq Read: 550 MB/s, Write: 520 MB/s (5 x 4 TB)	$2,809.00
11 GB GeForce RTX 2080 Ti with 4352 CUDA Cores - Blower	$1,199.00
11 GB GeForce RTX 2080 Ti with 4352 CUDA Cores - Blower	$1,329.00
Intel® Dual Band 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax + Bluetooth 5.0	
1× 1 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty	Product total: $14,112.00
https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-major-r2/configure

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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by Vinvin » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:18 am

MikeB wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:48 am
Jouni wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:45 am
174.000.932 /128 threads pop :D :!: .
Dream Machine with 7 man syzygy on SSD,

Code: Select all

Base Price	$3,798.00
1× Walnut - Classical style in a rich brown finish	
Pop!_OS 19.10 (64-bit) with full-disk encryption	
1× 64 Cores 3990X (2.9 up to 4.3 GHz - 64 Cores - 128 Threads)	$2,949.00
1× 256 GB Quad Channel DDR4 @ 3000 MHz (8x 32GB)	$1,499.00
2 TB NVMe Seq Read: 3,500 MB/s, Seq Write: 3,300 MB/s	$529.00
No Additional M.2 Performance Storage	
20 TB SSD Seq Read: 550 MB/s, Write: 520 MB/s (5 x 4 TB)	$2,809.00
11 GB GeForce RTX 2080 Ti with 4352 CUDA Cores - Blower	$1,199.00
11 GB GeForce RTX 2080 Ti with 4352 CUDA Cores - Blower	$1,329.00
Intel® Dual Band 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax + Bluetooth 5.0	
1× 1 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty	Product total: $14,112.00
https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-major-r2/configure
Surely the machine I'd like to get now ! :-)
But a bit pricey ...
Do you know why the second "RTX 2080" cost $130 more ($1,329-$1,199) ?

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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by mmt » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:26 am

Vinvin wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:18 am
Do you know why the second "RTX 2080" cost $130 more ($1,329-$1,199) ?
Might require a different motherboard to have two physically large GPUs like this but some companies do this kind of pricing just to get more money since you apparently have more to spend. Common in the hosting world.

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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by MikeB » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:11 pm

Vinvin wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:18 am
MikeB wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:48 am
Jouni wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:45 am
174.000.932 /128 threads pop :D :!: .
Dream Machine with 7 man syzygy on SSD,

Code: Select all

Base Price	$3,798.00
1× Walnut - Classical style in a rich brown finish	
Pop!_OS 19.10 (64-bit) with full-disk encryption	
1× 64 Cores 3990X (2.9 up to 4.3 GHz - 64 Cores - 128 Threads)	$2,949.00
1× 256 GB Quad Channel DDR4 @ 3000 MHz (8x 32GB)	$1,499.00
2 TB NVMe Seq Read: 3,500 MB/s, Seq Write: 3,300 MB/s	$529.00
No Additional M.2 Performance Storage	
20 TB SSD Seq Read: 550 MB/s, Write: 520 MB/s (5 x 4 TB)	$2,809.00
11 GB GeForce RTX 2080 Ti with 4352 CUDA Cores - Blower	$1,199.00
11 GB GeForce RTX 2080 Ti with 4352 CUDA Cores - Blower	$1,329.00
Intel® Dual Band 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax + Bluetooth 5.0	
1× 1 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty	Product total: $14,112.00
https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-major-r2/configure
Surely the machine I'd like to get now ! :-)
But a bit pricey ...
Do you know why the second "RTX 2080" cost $130 more ($1,329-$1,199) ?
The stock model has an El Cheapo gpu, the difference is the upgrade cost

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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by Dann Corbit » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:14 pm

mmt wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:26 am
Vinvin wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:18 am
Do you know why the second "RTX 2080" cost $130 more ($1,329-$1,199) ?
Might require a different motherboard to have two physically large GPUs like this but some companies do this kind of pricing just to get more money since you apparently have more to spend. Common in the hosting world.
Often, there is some cheapie GPU included at "no cost" and the first GPU price is the difference between the cheapie GPU and the good one, and the second GPU cost is the full cost (plus markup, of course).
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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by MikeB » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:02 pm

Jouni wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:45 am
174.000.932 /128 threads pop :D :!: .
hmmm... processor is 2x $$$, for < 50% gain...


3970x
Windows 10 Pro
Large Pages enabled
@ 40.75x

64 threads:
asmFishW_2017-05-22_popcnt
setoption name LargePages value true
bench 1024 64 26
*** bench hash 1024 threads 64 depth 26 realtime 0 ***
info string hash set to 1024 MB page size 2048 KB
info string node 0 has threads 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63
1:      nodes:  616263194       106307 knps
2:      nodes:  1360354529      120481 knps
3:      nodes:  40446041        153787 knps
4:      nodes:  234206057       130114 knps
5:      nodes:  649816620       117316 knps
6:      nodes:  290780456       116172 knps
7:      nodes:  306212544       119661 knps
8:      nodes:  1023994967      124482 knps
9:      nodes:  585873062       117456 knps
10:     nodes:  137030518       132013 knps
11:     nodes:  1440947375      115999 knps
12:     nodes:  1533286732      111584 knps
13:     nodes:  276442769       127569 knps
14:     nodes:  591844312       117057 knps
15:     nodes:  255484869       128513 knps
16:     nodes:  85467730        151807 knps
17:     nodes:  133935258       160593 knps
18:     nodes:  82959611        140609 knps
19:     nodes:  72140997        157513 knps
20:     nodes:  177005086       167936 knps
21:     nodes:  25677593        132358 knps
22:     nodes:  59437796        110684 knps
23:     nodes:  194934286       146898 knps
24:     nodes:  95680659        146974 knps
25:     nodes:  223879071       185177 knps
26:     nodes:  7917816         149392 knps
27:     nodes:  29281555        140103 knps
28:     nodes:  421389469       148795 knps
29:     nodes:  66677982        134160 knps
30:     nodes:  75981215        153497 knps
31:     nodes:  8012219         102720 knps
32:     nodes:  5109306         111071 knps
33:     nodes:  4260522         94678 knps
34:     nodes:  20046239        144217 knps
35:     nodes:  10931253        128602 knps
36:     nodes:  29257632        132989 knps
37:     nodes:  5566365         146483 knps
===========================
Total time (ms) : 91532
Nodes searched  : 11178533705
Nodes/second    : 122127056

and with 32 cores:
bench 1024 32 26
*** bench hash 1024 threads 32 depth 26 realtime 0 ***
info string node 0 has threads 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31
1:      nodes:  542721826       66542 knps
2:      nodes:  631264811       74945 knps
3:      nodes:  29641349        97826 knps
4:      nodes:  133528131       81270 knps
5:      nodes:  70192323        75152 knps
6:      nodes:  334104199       73364 knps
7:      nodes:  143392311       74722 knps
8:      nodes:  1299319223      77115 knps
9:      nodes:  609358470       73213 knps
10:     nodes:  73595443        82229 knps
11:     nodes:  736150717       73380 knps
12:     nodes:  901549223       70461 knps
13:     nodes:  82213967        79896 knps
14:     nodes:  723687013       73381 knps
15:     nodes:  218054194       80730 knps
16:     nodes:  99614476        96060 knps
17:     nodes:  148845088       104894 knps
18:     nodes:  33589524        93304 knps
19:     nodes:  47848913        104702 knps
20:     nodes:  181721383       114003 knps
21:     nodes:  29802492        94611 knps
22:     nodes:  54586168        98176 knps
23:     nodes:  65455449        104728 knps
24:     nodes:  155645927       94790 knps
25:     nodes:  86183435        118221 knps
26:     nodes:  7246481         95348 knps
27:     nodes:  20321215        90316 knps
28:     nodes:  235924203       93324 knps
29:     nodes:  44421101        83341 knps
30:     nodes:  19380052        97879 knps
31:     nodes:  6023127         82508 knps
32:     nodes:  3733808         77787 knps
33:     nodes:  2840784         66064 knps
34:     nodes:  18890346        95405 knps
35:     nodes:  4696462         86971 knps
36:     nodes:  2014239         80569 knps
37:     nodes:  3794457         90344 knps
===========================
Total time (ms) : 101195
Nodes searched  : 7801352330
Nodes/second    : 77092270

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Re: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3 3990X bench Ipman Chess

Post by sandro Necchi » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:30 pm

Hi all,

One question:
for Threadripper 3990X which windows 10 is suggested?
I mean, Windows 10 Pro is OK or do I need to use the Enterprise version?
Thanks in advance,
Best regards,
Sandro Necchi
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