An Old Engine

Discussion of anything and everything relating to chess playing software and machines.

Moderators: hgm, Dann Corbit, Harvey Williamson

Forum rules
This textbox is used to restore diagrams posted with the [d] tag before the upgrade.
User avatar
AdminX
Posts: 5606
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:34 pm
Location: Acworth, GA
Contact:

Re: An Old Engine

Post by AdminX » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:15 am

Now of course we need a Logo for this "Old Engine", any ideas?? :D Houdidit2it
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
__________________________________________________________________
Ted Summers

User avatar
mclane
Posts: 18369
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:40 pm
Location: US of Europe, germany
Full name: Thorsten Czub
Contact:

Re: An Old Engine

Post by mclane » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:25 am

And houdart did all the copy paste stuff on his own.
Was he a chess programmer or somebody who copy pastes a lot ?

Anything by his own origin in houdart or only copy paste ?
What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....

User avatar
MikeB
Posts: 4551
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:34 am
Location: Pen Argyl, Pennsylvania

Re: An Old Engine

Post by MikeB » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:43 pm

IanKennedy wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:54 am
I bought H6 back in January so not particularly gripped to see someone 'giving' it out for free.
Frist, you have my empathy.

Many of us paid for it - sometimes multiple times. If you were happy when you got it after you had paid for it, I would suggest that you stay happy. This is no reason to let a third party, like me, take away that joy.

Peace.
Image

Terje
Posts: 293
Joined: Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:34 am
Location: https://github.com/TerjeKir/weiss
Full name: Terje Kirstihagen

Re: An Old Engine

Post by Terje » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:24 pm

IanKennedy wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:54 am
I bought H6 back in January so not particularly gripped to see someone 'giving' it out for free.
Mike giving it out for free isn't what you should be annoyed with, rather Houdart for selling you a mix of SF and Komodo illegally.

User avatar
AdminX
Posts: 5606
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:34 pm
Location: Acworth, GA
Contact:

Re: An Old Engine

Post by AdminX » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:09 pm

A Nice Houdidit Chess Game, Showing Positional and Tactical Skills. :D




I-0 Image: https://i.ibb.co/L9t5z2V/2020-04-12.png
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
__________________________________________________________________
Ted Summers

User avatar
MikeB
Posts: 4551
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:34 am
Location: Pen Argyl, Pennsylvania

Re: An Old Engine

Post by MikeB » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:49 pm

Modern Times wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:15 am
MikeB wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:11 pm
I am now pleased to make the source available to everyone, as it is my opinion that the allegations are true and the evidence provided is overwhelming.
We are all allowed our opinions and are free to express them and we should encourage that. But I think I mentioned in the Engine Origins post, I don't agree that people should go further and act as judge, jury and executioner in cases like this. Unfortunately in the chess community that seems to be normal.
Not following your logic - as I'm not accusing Robert of any illegality and there has been no 'execution'', 'judge; or trial - your hyperbole is nonsensical . At most , this would be matter of a civil dispute - his opinion versus my opinion, which is what all civil disputes are about anyway - not criminality ( although criminality can lead to a civil case as well) , in this case it t is regarding the application of GPL license. It is my opinion that he should have disclosed the use of Stockfish code and provided the GPL license and we would have been allowed to obtain the code per the license. I cannot go into Robert's mind to know what he was thinking - but perhaps it was just a simple oversight. I see no criminal acts between Robert and myself, rather just a simple disagreement over the GPL License at most. Not two wrongs to make a right as others have suggested - but a simple disagreement over intellectual property rights. Robert chose his path and I'm choosing my path. That's all there is to it. I see no judge, jury and executioner in this case as you stated in your hyperbole.
Image

Modern Times
Posts: 2635
Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:02 pm

Re: An Old Engine

Post by Modern Times » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:51 pm

"Judge, jury and executioner" is simply an expression - basically meaning someone who judges and punishes unilaterally. It seems to fit in your case.
.

Opinions expressed here are my own, and not necessarily those of the CCRL Group.

jhellis3
Posts: 488
Joined: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:36 pm

Re: An Old Engine

Post by jhellis3 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:14 pm

It seems to fit in your case
Or yours....

User avatar
MikeB
Posts: 4551
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:34 am
Location: Pen Argyl, Pennsylvania

Re: An Old Engine

Post by MikeB » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:22 pm

jhellis3 wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:14 pm
It seems to fit in your case
Or yours....
+1 haha ...so true ...
Image

Dann Corbit
Posts: 11929
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:57 pm
Location: Redmond, WA USA
Contact:

Re: An Old Engine

Post by Dann Corbit » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:24 pm

I bought every version of Houdini ever sold. I am feeling no sting from it.
The exchange of information wrought by an engine being open source is intended, and indeed almost every strong engine borrows concepts from other strong engines.
Of course, we should do this without breaking the law (goes without saying).
I never have buyer's remorse.
For instance, I spend a lot of money on hardware for chess and other things.
If I sat and waited, I could have spend exponentially less money and got the same power.
Or I could have spent the same money and got exponentially more power.
But in the meantime, I had a wonderful machine that did everything I asked of it and it made me happy, not sad.

Similarly with Houdini. I bought Houdini because it is extraordinarily good a solving tough chess problems that other computer chess programs may have difficulty with. During the time that I had it, I used it to analyze literally millions of chess positions.
Now I see that Mr. Houdart may have made illegitimate use of code that did not belong to him.
But that changes nothing about the benefit to me from using his program in the past.
Better still, because the code is based on Stockfish, I will be able to splice in some of my code to write the analysis directly to disk in a format that is easy to load into my database systems. Hey, double bonus.

Getting your bun in a knot never accomplishes anything. Sure, we all do it from time to time, but what good came of it?
Taking ideas is not a vice, it is a virtue. We have another word for this. It is called learning.
But sharing ideas is an even greater virtue. We have another word for this. It is called teaching.

Post Reply