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Challenges for humans and computers

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From Chessbase, "Challenges for humans and computers"

Now for a genuine challenge for humans – although it is of interest to know if computers find the key move and, more importantly, how long it takes them to understand that it draws.

"White makes one more move and it’s a draw! Keres, the two Byrnes, Lothar Schmid, Bisguier and I sat staring at this position for more than half an hour. We couldn’t find it. Can you?" Indeed none of the chess players in Mainz were able to solve this position, and Hans was convinced that computers would also fail miserably. So I bet him a glass of whisky at the bar that Rybka would find the key move. Not necessarily understand why it holds the draw, but it will find the move by discovering that all other moves lose badly and quickly. Hans lost his bet, Rybka found the right strategy in one minute and two seconds.

https://en.chessbase.com/post/challenge ... -computers


[d]6R1/P2k4/r7/5N1P/r7/p7/7K/8 w - - 0 5

My Android version of Stockfish 11 was able to find this one quickly, however Komodo did not. System was an i5 Google Pixel Slate.

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The Android Version of Deep Fritz 15 also finds it, but it will take much longer to score it 0.00

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Re: Challenges for humans and computers

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AdminX wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 8:02 pm From Chessbase, "Challenges for humans and computers"

Now for a genuine challenge for humans – although it is of interest to know if computers find the key move and, more importantly, how long it takes them to understand that it draws.
...
https://en.chessbase.com/post/challenge ... -computers

[d]6R1/P2k4/r7/5N1P/r7/p7/7K/8 w - - 0 5
...
I took out this one from my hard test set a couple of years ago because it became too easy.
Less than 5 seconds on an average (4*3GHz) computer to get a 0.00 score.

Result on my old i7-6*4GHz :

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FEN: 6R1/P2k4/r7/5N1P/r7/p7/7K/8 w - - 0 5

Stockfish_x64_modern_2020_05_02:
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FEN: 6R1/P2k4/r7/5N1P/r7/p7/7K/8 w - - 0 5

Stockfish_x64_modern_2020_05_02:
Found 511 tablebases
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 18/32	00:01	 11 949 931	8 151 385	-8,55	5.Rg7+ Ke6 6.Nd4+ Ke5 7.a8R Rxa8 8.Nb3 R8a7 9.Rg5+ Kf4 10.Rg1 a2 11.Ra1 Rb4 12.Nc5 Rb2+ 13.Kg1 Rg7+ 14.Kf1 Rb1+ 15.Ke2 Rg2+ 16.Kd3 Rxa1
 19/30	00:01	 16 375 964	8 385 030	-3,57	5.Nh6 a2 6.a8Q Rxa8 7.Rg7+ Ke6 8.Rg6+ Kd5 9.Rg5+ Kc4 10.Rg4+ Kb3 11.Rg3+ Kb2 12.Rg2+ Kc3 13.Rg3+ Kd4 14.Rg4+ Ke3 15.Rg3+ Kf2 16.Rg2+ Ke1 17.Rg1+ Kd2 18.Rg2+ Kd1 19.Rg1+ Kc2
 20/36	00:01	 16 617 144	8 341 939	-3,18	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.a8N+ Kc5 10.Rg5+ Kc6 11.Rg6+ Kb7 12.Rg7+ Kxa8 13.Rg8+ Ka7 14.Rg7+ Kb6 15.Rg6+ Kb7 16.Rg7+ Kc8 17.Rg8+ Kd7 18.Rg7+ Ke6 19.Rg6+ Ke5 20.Rg5+ Ke4 21.Rg4+ Kd3 22.Rg3+ Kc2
 21/32	00:02	 16 747 984	8 336 477	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+
 22/28	00:02	 16 842 683	8 325 597	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+ Kxa7 10.Rg7+ Kb6 11.Rg6+ Kb7 12.Rg7+ Kc8 13.Rg8+ Kc7 14.Rg7+ Kd6 15.Rg6+ Kc5
 23/26	00:02	 16 957 064	8 275 775	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+
 24/22	00:02	 17 152 045	8 238 254	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+
 25/20	00:02	 17 210 084	8 171 929	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+
 26/18	00:02	 17 286 420	8 161 671	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+
 27/24	00:02	 17 470 394	8 125 764	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+
 28/18	00:02	 17 899 127	7 731 804	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+
 29/27	00:02	 18 395 992	7 520 847	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+ Kxa7 10.Rg7+ Kb6 11.Rg6+ Kc5 12.Rg5+ Kc4 13.Rg4+ Kd3 14.Rg3+ Kc2 15.Rg2+ Kd1 16.Rg1+ Kd2 17.Rg2+ Kc3
 30/18	00:02	 18 423 792	7 519 915	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+ Kxa7 10.Rg7+ Kb6 11.Rg6+ Kc5 12.Rg5+ Kd6 13.Rg6+
 31/18	00:02	 18 710 221	7 439 451	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+
 32/20	00:02	 18 989 313	7 286 766	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+ Kxa7 10.Rg7+ Kb6 11.Rg6+
 33/20	00:03	 20 296 236	6 262 337	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+
 34/27	00:03	 20 543 255	6 213 930	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+ Kxa7 10.Rg7+ Kb6 11.Rg6+ Kc5 12.Rg5+ Kb4 13.Rg4+ Kc3 14.Rg3+ Kb2 15.Rg2+ Ka1 16.Rg1+ Ka2 17.Rg2+ Kb1
 35/26	00:03	 20 614 134	6 199 739	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+ Kxa7 10.Rg7+ Kb6 11.Rg6+ Kc5 12.Rg5+ Kb4 13.Rg4+ Kc3 14.Rg3+ Kb2 15.Rg2+ Ka1 16.Rg1+ Ka2 17.Rg2+
 36/22	00:03	 21 051 286	6 047 482	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+
 37/14	00:04	 22 781 467	5 255 240	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+
 38/29	00:04	 23 839 655	4 967 629	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+ Kxa7 10.Rg7+ Ka8 11.Rg8+ Kb7 12.Rg7+ Kc6 13.Rg6+ Kc5 14.Rg5+ Kc4 15.Rg4+ Kc3 16.Rg3+ Kd2 17.Rg2+ Kc1 18.Rg1+ Kd2
 39/22	00:05	 24 588 196	4 821 214	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+ Kb6 9.Rg6+ Kxa7 10.Rg7+ Kb6 11.Rg6+ Kc5 12.Rg5+ Kb4 13.Rg4+ Kc3 14.Rg3+ Kc4 15.Rg4+
 40/20	00:05	 25 327 446	4 661 779	 0,00	5.Nh6 R4a5 6.Rg7+ Kd6 7.Rg6+ Kc7 8.Rg7+