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Re: Forbidden

Post by peter » Mon May 25, 2020 7:33 am

Paloma wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 1:55 am
peter wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:21 pm

I just wanted to point out, that the difficulties can't be as big as e.g. Thorsten keeps telling us, if everybody having had some problems for a little while, has found ways to log in again now.
...
But using a VPN is not 100% functionality guaranteed.
e.g. You cannot use further continuing links, you end up on the proxy page again.
Diagrams and games (pgn tags) are also not displayed.
(not even the epd lines that are under the diagram would be)
So let's hope it soon will not be necessary to use VPNs anymore to log in to CCC.
What I wanted to say was, new servers, new names and or new hosts won't change the problems of security by themselves alone, will they?
Peter.

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Re: Forbidden

Post by Ovyron » Mon May 25, 2020 9:32 am

peter wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 10:13 pm
Graham Banks wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:36 pm
mclane wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 7:46 pm
the best would be to move the discussions for the time talkchess is not accessible to all,
to

https://www.open-chess.org

the forum is international and open to ALL members.

Thanks.
https://www.chess2u.com/ and http://outskirts.altervista.org/forum/i ... eaf2b19892 have a huge following as well.
Not to forget
https://forum.computerschach.de/
:)
Don't forget:

http://rwbc-computerchess.xobor.de/

The BEST computer chess forum on the Internet as it's completely 100% troll-free! :D

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Re: Forbidden

Post by xr_a_y » Mon May 25, 2020 2:49 pm

Hi all,

I'm still blocked from France.
If this is a provider issue, i'd be glad to offer one of my OVH server to run the talkchess phpbb instance if needed.

Regards,

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Re: Forbidden

Post by corres » Mon May 25, 2020 6:23 pm

Graham Banks wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:36 pm
mclane wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 7:46 pm
the best would be to move the discussions for the time talkchess is not accessible to all, to
https://www.open-chess.org
the forum is international and open to ALL members.
Thanks.
https://www.chess2u.com/ and http://outskirts.altervista.org/forum/i ... eaf2b19892 have a huge following as well.
So you propose to close talkchess.com
Nice, some people waited for this moment...

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Post by Graham Banks » Mon May 25, 2020 10:28 pm

corres wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 6:23 pm
Graham Banks wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:36 pm
mclane wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 7:46 pm
the best would be to move the discussions for the time talkchess is not accessible to all, to
https://www.open-chess.org
the forum is international and open to ALL members.
Thanks.
https://www.chess2u.com/ and http://outskirts.altervista.org/forum/i ... eaf2b19892 have a huge following as well.
So you propose to close talkchess.com
Nice, some people waited for this moment...
Not at all.
Talkchess is the premier English speaking computer chess forum and I hope that it stays that way.
gbanksnz at gmail.com

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Post by mclane » Tue May 26, 2020 7:29 am

peter wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:21 pm
Werner wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:03 pm
I think it is easy to make our Forum and all CEGT lists only reachable for people living in Germany - or if you use VPN with a German server.
Thank you, Werner, but I was just kidding, I didn't have any problems to log in at all with my Austrian provider till now.

I just wanted to point out, that the difficulties can't be as big as e.g. Thorsten keeps telling us, if everybody having had some problems for a little while, has found ways to log in again now.
Of course I wouldn't mind, if the servers should be changed, but do you really think that to be the only way to keep off hackers? And would it be fully save by only migrating the forum, if security- settings wouldn't be better there then too?
A forum where a big group of members can only access by using vpn changes is not public.
Others who want to register for the first time have no clue why the area is FORBIDDEN and will not change the vpn or have a chance to register.
Such a forum is not public anymore.
This is completely against the idea to give the computerchess community a place.

A computerchess forum with blocked ips for many foreigners is not public and therefore we should migrate it.

To a place that IS public.
What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....

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Post by mclane » Tue May 26, 2020 7:32 am

Paloma wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 1:55 am
peter wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:21 pm

I just wanted to point out, that the difficulties can't be as big as e.g. Thorsten keeps telling us, if everybody having had some problems for a little while, has found ways to log in again now.
...
But using a VPN is not 100% functionality guaranteed.
e.g. You cannot use further continuing links, you end up on the proxy page again.
Diagrams and games (pgn tags) are also not displayed.
(not even the epd lines that are under the diagram would be)
Exactly. The forum we founded to be a public forum for the computerchess community ends here. It is not workable anymore.
It’s time to say good bye to the host.
Many thanks for the years. But in the future we will migrate the forum to another place that is available for the public and everything works.
What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....

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Re: Forbidden

Post by corres » Tue May 26, 2020 8:54 am

mclane wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 7:29 am
peter wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:21 pm
Werner wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:03 pm
I think it is easy to make our Forum and all CEGT lists only reachable for people living in Germany - or if you use VPN with a German server.
Thank you, Werner, but I was just kidding, I didn't have any problems to log in at all with my Austrian provider till now.

I just wanted to point out, that the difficulties can't be as big as e.g. Thorsten keeps telling us, if everybody having had some problems for a little while, has found ways to log in again now.
Of course I wouldn't mind, if the servers should be changed, but do you really think that to be the only way to keep off hackers? And would it be fully save by only migrating the forum, if security- settings wouldn't be better there then too?
A forum where a big group of members can only access by using vpn changes is not public.
Others who want to register for the first time have no clue why the area is FORBIDDEN and will not change the vpn or have a chance to register.
Such a forum is not public anymore.
This is completely against the idea to give the computerchess community a place.
A computerchess forum with blocked ips for many foreigners is not public and therefore we should migrate it.
To a place that IS public.
It seems to me mclane from Germany has another opinion.
What is not a surprise to me.
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Re: Forbidden

Post by ernst » Tue May 26, 2020 1:45 pm

xr_a_y wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 2:49 pm
Hi all,

I'm still blocked from France.
If this is a provider issue, i'd be glad to offer one of my OVH server to run the talkchess phpbb instance if needed.

Regards,
Blocked from the Netherlands too. Tried several ISPs to no avail so suspect region blocking. Acessing the forum with an VPN to the US now.
This post may either be cause or result of misunderstanding.

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Re: Forbidden

Post by noobpwnftw » Tue May 26, 2020 2:30 pm

With regional IP block, you sure you are preventing more hackers than normal users? :D

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