Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by Thomas Lagershausen » Sat May 30, 2020 7:25 pm

I understand you Franz.

For me another shitty day in paradise.

Any chance for me to get a stronger Mark V with much more Mhz? :?:

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TL

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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by mephisto » Sat May 30, 2020 8:02 pm

If you want to play on a full size wooden electronic chess board against all the old chess computers found in Franz excellent software package then head over to the Certabo website.
Their latest software includes MessChess that enables you to use all the chess computers ROMS.
https://www.certabo.com/download/
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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by Bill Forster » Sun May 31, 2020 1:36 am

Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 5:12 pm
Today in the game 2 of my match against Mark V i used Mess and the preconfiguration of Arena GUI.

I am missing any informationoutput of Mark V under this configuration. No evaluation of the position, no mainline, absolut nothing.

Is this right?

Please give me more data under Arena GUI .

This is a disappointing attitude. It's an amazing accomplishment that Franz has managed to bring these old machines back to life. Incredible. They were stand alone chess computers, not engines. They were intended to play chess, not present analysis and evaluations. Yet you want the recreations to offer features the original programmers didn't, how does that even make sense? For the comparitively simple Sargon 1978 project, I was surprised and happy when I realised I could actually present the PV and evaluation. But it was really only a stroke of good luck, and possible only because I had the full source code for the program, with the author's best efforts to explain everything in comments. Plus it was a small (old, weak) program. Franz faced a much more serious challenge with a bare ROM as opposed to fully commented source. And he has succeeded 250 times over!

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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by carldaman » Sun May 31, 2020 1:48 am

Bill Forster wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 1:36 am
Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 5:12 pm
Today in the game 2 of my match against Mark V i used Mess and the preconfiguration of Arena GUI.

I am missing any informationoutput of Mark V under this configuration. No evaluation of the position, no mainline, absolut nothing.

Is this right?

Please give me more data under Arena GUI .

This is a disappointing attitude. It's an amazing accomplishment that Franz has managed to bring these old machines back to life. Incredible. They were stand alone chess computers, not engines. They were intended to play chess, not present analysis and evaluations. Yet you want the recreations to offer features the original programmers didn't, how does that even make sense? For the comparitively simple Sargon 1978 project, I was surprised and happy when I realised I could actually present the PV and evaluation. But it was really only a stroke of good luck, and possible only because I had the full source code for the program, with the author's best efforts to explain everything in comments. Plus it was a small (old, weak) program. Franz faced a much more serious challenge with a bare ROM as opposed to fully commented source. And he has succeeded 250 times over!
+1 Remarkable, indeed. :)

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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by mephisto » Sun May 31, 2020 12:06 pm

+1

Franz has done an amazing job and has always been very helpful whenever I have asked him questions about his project.
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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by mbabigian » Sun May 31, 2020 6:58 pm

mephisto wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 8:02 pm
If you want to play on a full size wooden electronic chess board against all the old chess computers found in Franz excellent software package then head over to the Certabo website.
Their latest software includes MessChess that enables you to use all the chess computers ROMS.
https://www.certabo.com/download/
Has anyone tried these autosensory boards? How do they compare to the DGT boards? Is support (warranty and otherwise) good? Is there a US distributor?

I've always wanted a DGT type board. Can relive my youth playing the old chess computers I owned but died.

Thanks in advance
Mike
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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by GONeill » Sun May 31, 2020 11:37 pm

F.Huber wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 5:16 pm
Hi,

you can use more than 250 old chess computer programs (also MK V) with CB-Emu_Pro from my website:
https://fhub.jimdofree.com/

It also includes a special version 'MessChess' which allows to run all those programs in any
chess GUI which supports the WB or UCI protocol (e.g. WinBoard, Arena, Hiarcs, Shredder, ...)

Regards,
Franz
Thank you Franz. I hadn't downloaded this for a couple of years so it was good to get an update. I don't recall my earlier version having the auto link to Arena built in which makes controlling some of the engines much easier and is a big improvement.

I looked through my old links and was pleased to find that Alain's User Manuals page is still around too, and seems to be quite active in updating the list of computers covered:

http://www.zanchetta.net/ under "Chess Computers" > "Documentations".

If only there was an option to download all of the manuals by language! It would be great if you could coordinate with him and include a folder in your download with the manuals of the computers that you have emulated.

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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by F.Huber » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:51 am

GONeill wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 11:37 pm
I looked through my old links and was pleased to find that Alain's User Manuals page is still around too, and seems to be quite active in updating the list of computers covered:
http://www.zanchetta.net/ under "Chess Computers" > "Documentations".
Yes, that's a great website, and for using these old chess computers it's indeed necessary to have the manual, because it's impossible to know or remember all the functions or settings of so many machines.
It would be great if you could coordinate with him and include a folder in your download with the manuals of the computers that you have emulated.
Well, that would blow up my CB-Emu package from 150 to about 900 MB - no way!

Regards,
Franz

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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by Thomas Lagershausen » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:17 am

@ F.Huber

I try it again, because it is important for me.

Any chance to get a Mark V with much more MHz?

As the games shown Mark V is tactical weak.

But its style of play is unique. So no other machine can take its place for me as a chesspartner.
TL

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Re: Exist a posibility to play against MK V (1981 computerworldchampion) on PC?

Post by F.Huber » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:03 am

Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:17 am
I try it again, because it is important for me.

Any chance to get a Mark V with much more MHz?
Well, a bit more would be possible, but not much more.
I've tried it and it works with 4 and 6 MHz (instead of the original 2 MHz),
but with 8 MHz (or more) the LCD screen doesn't work correctly anymore.

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