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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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carldaman wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:58 am
EDIT: More relevant may be the rapid rating where it's only 2400+ (lichess rating, not CCRL).
Not exactly.

My feeling is that rapid time controls attract far more cheats, and so Nezh is losing more games to more "correct" engines like SF and Komodo.

Even 5 5 is enough for a massively deflated rating on most free servers due to cheating.

Much easier to relay moves from Fritz.
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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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There have been a couple of rapid losses due to cheats, and a few more due to time-outs/glitches, so the rapid rating is somewhat deflated. The losses are so few that I know about all of them, basically.

It's been mostly humans and some weak engines among Nezh's rapid opponents. Generally, the more rated games humans play against it, the more its rating will go up. I'm hoping that stronger humans can go for more rapid games, to push its rating up some more. :)

The biggest known scalp so far has been GM Luke McShane, but that was only a fast blitz game. If there is no increment, any human will be toast in blitz.
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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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carldaman wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:46 am There have been a couple of rapid losses due to cheats
Report them and get your rating points back, lichess bans the accounts and refunds the rating points within 24 hours.
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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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Right, and I have, but only got back half of the reported losses. Luckily there have been less than a handful of such incidents. More common are the time-outs. :x :|
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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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Hi

Just started a game against Patzer 3.80 with the black pieces playing again a solid variation of the Old Indian Defense and my first impression is that it plays mainly a positional chess with a minimum amount of aggressiveness nothing compared to the monster called Tigran even though they are equally rated in the CRLL rating list ....

Will post the game when I finish it as for now the position in nearly equal ....

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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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Hi

Patzer is a lovely chess engine to play against as a human ....

It's plays relatively solid chess but it's weakness is demonstrated by it's passive style and a poor counter attack abilities especially when it's under pressure in a bad position ....

Frankly speaking,I had a slight hope that I will dominate the game until the white's 38th move ....
That's when I decided to attack bearing in mind several positive factors like the bad pawn structure of white on the queenside,the advanced 3 black pawns formations on the kingside and of course the poor counter play measures that the chess engine is demonstrating ....

I am thinking of playing 1. e4 with the white pieces because with 1. b3 I am pretty much sure that Patzer will not be able to hold the game ....

We'll see regards,
Dr.D

P.S So far five games against 3 engines from the CRLL rated 2400 and above and no draws ....

[pgn][Event "Et Mortuus Est Rex"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.07.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Patzer 3.80"]
[Black "Dr.Deeb"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A55"]
[WhiteElo "2402"]
[BlackElo "2032"]
[Annotator "SF NNUE halfkp-256 090720 x64 bmi2 (40m)"]
[PlyCount "120"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]

{A55: Old Indian Defence with Nf3 and e4} 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 d6 3. Nc3 Nbd7 4. e4
e5 5. d5 Be7 6. Nf3 O-O 7. Be2 c6 8. Qc2 a6 9. O-O cxd5 10. exd5 {last book
move} b6 11. Ng5 (11. Be3 $5 $14) 11... Qc7 12. Re1 (12. Bd2 h6 13. Nf3 Nh7 $14
) 12... Re8 (12... h6 13. Nf3 $11) 13. Be3 $14 {Black has a cramped position}
Bb7 (13... Nf8 14. h3 $14) 14. a4 h6 15. Nge4 Nxe4 16. Qxe4 {White has a very
active position} Rf8 17. Qg4 (17. Qc2 f5 $14) 17... Kh8 (17... f5 $142 $5 {
is worth looking at} 18. Qf3 Bc8 $15) 18. b4 Rab8 19. Bd3 Bc8 20. Qh5 {Black
has a cramped position} (20. Qf3 f5 21. Bxf5 Qxc4 $14) 20... Nf6 {Black
threatens to win material: Nf6xh5} 21. Qe2 {White has an active position} Ng4
22. Bd2 f5 23. f3 {White threatens to win material: f3xg4} Nf6 24. Qf2 Qd8 25.
Rac1 (25. Rab1 Nd7 $11) 25... Nh5 (25... Nd7 26. Rf1 $11) 26. Ne2 $14 Bg5 27.
f4 Nxf4 (27... Bh4 28. g3 Bf6 29. Bc2 $16) 28. Nxf4 exf4 29. Bxf4 {Black has a
cramped position} Qf6 30. b5 {White wins space} (30. h3 Bh4 31. g3 Bg5 $11)
30... a5 $11 31. Re2 Rb7 32. Bxg5 hxg5 33. Rce1 Kg8 34. Re8 Bd7 {Black
threatens to win material: Bd7xe8} 35. R8e7 Rf7 36. Rxf7 Kxf7 {Black king
safety dropped} 37. Rf1 g6 38. Kh1 $4 {gives the opponent new chances} (38. g4
$5 $11 {has some apparent merit}) 38... Rb8 $15 39. Rc1 (39. h3 $5 $15) 39...
f4 $17 40. Re1 (40. Kg1 g4 $19) 40... g4 41. Kg1 (41. Rf1 $142 $5 g5 42. g3 $17
) 41... g5 $19 42. Kh1 $4 {White crumbles in face of a dire situation} (42. Bf1
$142 $19) 42... Qc3 43. Rd1 Qb3 44. Qd2 Re8 45. Rb1 Qa3 46. Qc2 (46. Rf1 {
doesn't do any good} Kg7 47. Qc2 Re5 $19) 46... Re5 47. Rf1 Qc5 (47... Ke7 $142
{might be the shorter path} 48. Rd1 $19) 48. Bh7 (48. Be2 {the last chance for
counterplay} Qe3 49. Qh7+ Ke8 50. Qg6+ Ke7 51. c5 Qxc5 52. Rd1 $19) 48... Ke7
49. Qd3 (49. Bd3 {is not the saving move} Qd4 $19) 49... Qe3 50. Qg6 Qe2 51.
Kg1 (51. Qd3 {is no salvation} Re3 52. Qxe2 Rxe2 $19) 51... Qxc4 52. Qg7+ Kd8
53. Qg8+ Kc7 54. Qa8 Qc5+ 55. Kh1 Bc8 56. Qc6+ Kb8 57. Bg8 (57. Qxc5 {doesn't
get the bull off the ice} bxc5 58. Kg1 Rxd5 $19) 57... Bb7 58. Qxc5 bxc5 59.
Be6 (59. Rd1 {doesn't change the outcome of the game} Bc8 $19) 59... Bxd5 60.
Bxg4 c4 0-1

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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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Hey Dr. Deeb, why not venture a game against the older version of Patzer that Frank Q put out? It's supposed to have the best playing style of all Patzers. It looks like you could use more of a challenge. ;)
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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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carldaman wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:55 am Hey Dr. Deeb, why not venture a game against the older version of Patzer that Frank Q put out? It's supposed to have the best playing style of all Patzers. It looks like you could use more of a challenge. ;)
Hi,

Actually I was going to play a 4 games match against it taking a pause from climbing the CRLL rating list ....

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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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Hi

A Larsen-Nimzowitsch attack slaughtered another chess engine ....

In this particular game as you will see,Patzer started to push his kingside pawns in a poor attempt to attack the white king way before his intention to make a long castle ....

Now,to counter his early middle game aggression was not a problem for me and I even got further and pushed my pawns to close the position not because I was terrified from his playing style,but because I was certain that he was going to blunder ....

I admit that I used a bit of an anti-computer strategy here but on the other hand there is no excuse for a 2400 Elo chess engine to play that weak ....

People,these engines that I played till now are definitely overrated and with this I don't want to disrespect the huge efforts made by the CCRL team...

On the contrary,I just wanted to include a human factor into the rating list,something to rattle the digital monsters pool ....

I played 6 games till now and the result is 5 out 6 so either these engines are extremely overrated or I am a 2600 Elo chess player without knowing it :mrgreen:

Facts for thoughts regards,
Dr.D

[pgn][Event "Et Mortuus Est Rex"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.07.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Dr.Deeb"]
[Black "Patzer 3.80"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A01"]
[WhiteElo "2032"]
[BlackElo "2402"]
[Annotator "SF NNUE halfkp-256 090720 x64 bmi2 (40m)"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]

{A01: Nimzowitsch-Larsen Opening} 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 d6 5.
Ne2 Bd7 6. O-O a6 7. Bxc6 Bxc6 8. d4 Qe7 9. c4 {last book move} h5 (9... g6 10.
Nbc3 $14) 10. Nbc3 $14 h4 11. h3 {Consolidates g4} g5 12. f3 Bh6 13. d5 {
White threatens to win material: d5xc6} (13. e4 $142 $16) 13... Bd7 $11 14. e4
O-O-O (14... Nh5 15. Qd3 $11) 15. Qd3 (15. Bc1 $142 $5 Nh5 16. b4 $16) 15...
Nh5 $14 16. Nd1 Kb8 17. Ne3 Bg7 $2 (17... Nf4 18. Qd2 Rdg8 $16) 18. Rae1 $16
Ng3 19. Nxg3 (19. Rf2 $142 $16) 19... hxg3 $11 20. Nf5 Bxf5 21. exf5 {White
has new doubled pawns: f3+f5} Rde8 (21... Rh4 22. Re4 Qd7 23. Re2 $11) 22. Bc3
$14 Qf6 (22... Rh4 23. Re4 Qd7 24. Re3 $14) 23. Qc2 (23. Re3 $142 Rh4 24. Be1
$16) 23... Qh6 $4 {Black has let it slip away} (23... Rh4 $142 $11 {would
bring relief}) 24. Re4 $18 Bf6 25. Rg4 Reg8 (25... e4 26. fxe4 Qg7 27. Bxf6
Qxf6 28. Rxg3 $18) 26. Rxg3 g4 (26... e4 27. Bxf6 Qxf6 28. Qxe4 Re8 $18) 27.
fxg4 Bg5 28. Rd1 Qh4 (28... Be3+ {doesn't change anything anymore} 29. Kf1 $18)
29. Rf3 f6 30. Bd2 Re8 (30... Bxd2 {doesn't change the outcome of the game} 31.
Qxd2 Qh6 32. Qxh6 Rxh6 33. b4 $18) 31. Bxg5 Qxg5 32. Qe4 1-0[/pgn]
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Re: Et Mortuus Est Rex

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Next Opponent from the CCRL rating list is KnightDreamer 3.3 .....

If my memory serves me right,it's playing style is tactical and solid attacking chess ....

We'll see ....

I'll hit it with the old Indian Defense if possible or with the Caro-Kann Defense against 1. e4 ....

With the white pieces I'll stick to the marvelous 1. b3 for now ....

Cheers,
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