Chess solved?
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jmartus
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Chess solved?
How many more elo until chesd considered solved?
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Re: Chess solved?
A few thousand
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mwyoung
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Re: Chess solved?
Good answer! Since the laws of physics would prevent any kind of machine to be built to achieve this calculation. Let alone the energy needed to power such a device. All the stars in the universe would not be enough. The calculation is that BIG.
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Re: Chess solved?
Define 'solved'.
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Re: Chess solved?
A mathematician might create an expression that quickly and correctly categorises a position as win/draw/lose. Failing that, it's a case of watching the elo v draw ratio chart.
It's surprising that a game designed so long ago has held out this long (but go will outlast chess).
It's surprising that a game designed so long ago has held out this long (but go will outlast chess).
Human chess is partly about tactics and strategy, but mostly about memory
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mwyoung
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Re: Chess solved?
Proving any given position is a win/loss/draw. We can do this with 7 man positions and below.
And this is the position you need to solve.
[d]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1
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Re: Chess solved?
This issue is like many things in physics. Your understanding and tech can get close to your objective. And still not true. 400 elo will not get you all draws, just more draws. You only need to prove one win to show this is false. And this can not be done. Chess maybe a win for white, or black with best play, or just a draw. So a chart shows you nothing without proof of solution.
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Re: Chess solved?
If in the future you get a million draws in succession, it is not proof, but evidence towards that chess is a draw, so not nothing imo.mwyoung wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:05 amThis issue is like many things in physics. Your understanding and tech can get close to your objective. And still not true. 400 elo will not get you all draw, just more draws. You only need to prove one win to show this is false. And this can not be done. Chess maybe a win for white, or black with best play, or just a draw. So a chart shows you nothing without proof of solution.