Strawman argument.Ovyron wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:24 pmIt's relevant because you haven't shown WHY is a shorter game better than a longer game.

And you haven't shown WHY is a shorter game better than a longer one ONLY if you're winning the game, BUT if you're losing the game then making it longer is suddenly better? It's all arbitrary!

In the post I mentioned about finding the best move and not about any game. Its moronic to think its always between best between wins. Its most of time a decision between getting the chance of a win. It can be in quiet positions.

[d]2b1rk2/5p2/p1P5/2p2P2/2p5/7B/P7/2KR4 w - - 0 1

For example at this position

SF NNUUE latest dev from abrok still cant find the best move to win here. And the eval is so misleading even to depth 50 even.

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[+0.00] d=42 1.c7 f6 2.Bf1 Ke7 3.Bxc4 Rh8 4.Rd5 Bb7 5.Rd1(0:04:32) 90670kN
[+0.00] d=41 1.c7 f6 2.Bf1 Ke7 3.Bxc4 Rh8 4.Rd5 Bb7 5.Rd1(0:04:12) 85999kN
[+0.00] d=40 1.c7 f6 2.Bg2 Ke7 3.Re1 Kf8(0:04:01) 81843kN
[+0.00] d=39 1.c7 f6 2.Bg2 Ke7 3.Re1 Kf8 4.Rd1(0:04:01) 81836kN
[+0.00] d=38 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.c7 Ke7 5.Kc3 Rxd8 6.cxd8Q Kxd8 7.Kxc4 Kc7 8.Kxc5 Bb7 9.Bg4 Bg2 10.Bd1 Be4 11.Be2 Bxf5 12.Bxa6(0:01:26) 38398kN
[+0.00] d=37 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.Rd5(0:01:23) 37411kN
[+0.00] d=36 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.c7 Ke7 5.Kc3 Rxd8 6.cxd8Q Kxd8 7.Kxc4 Kc7 8.Kxc5 Bb7 9.Bg4 Bg2 10.Bd1 Be4 11.Be2 Bxf5 12.Bxa6(0:00:55) 25807kN
[+0.00] d=35 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.c7 Ke7 5.Kc3 Rxd8 6.cxd8Q Kxd8 7.Kxc4 Kc7 8.Kxc5 Bb7 9.Bg4 Bg2 10.Bd1 Be4 11.Be2 Bxf5 12.Bxa6(0:00:46) 22404kN
[+0.00] d=34 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.c7 Ke7 5.Kc3 Rxd8 6.cxd8Q Kxd8 7.Kxc4 Kc7 8.Kxc5 Bb7 9.Bg4 Bg2 10.Bd1 Be4 11.Be2 Bxf5 12.Bxa6(0:00:35) 17784kN
[+0.00] d=33 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.c7 Ke7 5.Kc3 Rxd8 6.cxd8Q Kxd8 7.Kxc4 Kc7 8.Kxc5 Bb7 9.Bg4 Bg2 10.Bd1 Be4 11.Be2 Bxf5 12.Bxa6(0:00:28) 14949kN
[+0.00] d=32 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8(0:00:13) 9003kN
[+0.00] d=31 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8(0:00:10) 7956kN
[+0.00] d=30 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.Rd5(0:00:07) 6229kN
[+0.00] d=29 1.c7 f6 2.Bf1 Ke7 3.Bxc4 Rh8 4.Rd5 Bb7 5.Rd2 Bc8 6.Rd1 Bxf5 7.Bxa6 Ra8 8.Bb7 Rh8 9.Ba6(0:00:03) 3819kN
[+0.00] d=28 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.c7 Ke7 5.Kc3 Rxd8 6.cxd8Q Kxd8 7.Kxc4 Kc7 8.Kxc5 Bb7 9.Bg4 Bg2 10.Bd1 Be4 11.Be2 Bxf5(0:00:03) 3606kN
[+0.00] d=27 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.c7 Ke7 5.Kc3 Rxd8 6.cxd8Q Kxd8 7.Kxc4 Kc7 8.Kxc5 Bb7 9.Bg4 Bg2 10.Bd1 Be4 11.Be2 Bxf5 12.Bxa6(0:00:01) 2737kN
[+0.00] d=26 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.Rd5(0:00:01) 2195kN
[+0.00] d=25 1.c7 f6 2.Bg2 Ke7 3.Re1 Kf8(0:00:00) 1257kN
[+0.00] d=24 1.c7 f6 2.Bg2 Ke7 3.Re1 Kf8 4.Rd1(0:00:00) 1255kN
[+0.00] d=23 1.Rd5 f6 2.Kd2 Re4 3.Rd8 Re8 4.c7 Ke7 5.Kc3 Rxd8 6.cxd8Q Kxd8 7.Kxc4 Kc7 8.Kxc5 Bb7 9.Bg4 Bg2 10.Bd1 Be4 11.Be2(0:00:00) 1131kN
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