Coincidence.
After 30 games 80% remis, of the 6 games with full poinst, 4 were 1:1 pairs.
King chance with such performance- differences after 100 games still ruling absolutistically, after 30 games it's even just a cruel rule regards
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Coincidence.
No, nothing yet to infer. 15 pairs of games side-reversed. The pairwise score is +1 -1 =13. The pentanomial here degenerates to trinomial. It seems it's hard to find appropriate openings at LTC with very strong engines on very big hardware, so that the true draw ratio pairwise doesn't get high.
Thanks, seems the same a bit Leela favoring hardware. At that time I had some data that the SV net used with Lc0 was scaling badly. Maybe this among other things has to do with Lc0 clear loss to SF classical.
Thanks, and Lc0 some 60 knps in midgames, right? The SV 384x30 nets are 3.3-3.4 times computationally larger than his earlier 256x20 nets based on T40. To get the old Leela ratio for current TCEC, you have to multiply by this factor the current speed of Lc0 in TCEC.
And we should multiply Stockfish nodes by the ratio of Classical nps / NNUE nps. A Stockfish dev also mentionned that SF (classical) was going slower over time and that should taken into account too if we really want to precisely reconstruct the leela-ratio.Laskos wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:22 amThanks, and Lc0 some 60 knps in midgames, right? The SV 384x30 nets are 3.3-3.4 times computationally larger than his earlier 256x20 nets based on T40. To get the old Leela ratio for current TCEC, you have to multiply by this factor the current speed of Lc0 in TCEC.
We have got the answers.Nay Lin Tun wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:38 pmSome people even say Leela winning Sufi is impossible.
And now it is still tied for 26 games so far.
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Reasons?
Yes, for current TCEC, one has to consider the new Stockfish NPS too. From Youri numbers in the current Sufi I estimate an old Leela Ratio of about 1.5 or so. Certainly Lc0 is not disfavored, especially with the newer faster compiles.MMarco wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:20 amAnd we should multiply Stockfish nodes by the ratio of Classical nps / NNUE nps. A Stockfish dev also mentionned that SF (classical) was going slower over time and that should taken into account too if we really want to precisely reconstruct the leela-ratio.Laskos wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:22 amThanks, and Lc0 some 60 knps in midgames, right? The SV 384x30 nets are 3.3-3.4 times computationally larger than his earlier 256x20 nets based on T40. To get the old Leela ratio for current TCEC, you have to multiply by this factor the current speed of Lc0 in TCEC.
In anycase, it is the same hardware as last season where Leela got soundly beaten. Lets see how it unfolds this time. In my opinion the scaling problem you uncovered might have been the main one. New nets by JHortos are not plagued by this. Two weeks ago I did a quick test with J92-XX and the T60-3010 that you had used for your example. J92-XX was now winning by a similar margin (or even larger, I can't remember) at the longer time control. It shown no signs of bad scaling for sure. Also the newer binary has some improvements (apart from the speed-up) that should help Leela reaching higher depths (one being "twofoldsdraws"). MLH settings been changed too. I would be curious the see a match at 3m+2s or similar between Lc0 tcec-18 and Lc0 tcec-19. That would help to evaluate the apparent Stockfish underperformance.