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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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Nakamura's position still drawn but it looks like he will blunder and lose the 4th game, leading to 2.5-1.5 for Dragon.
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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:39 am Nakamura's position still drawn but it looks like he will blunder and lose the 4th game, leading to 2.5-1.5 for Dragon.
It's 100% lost
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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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[pgn]
[Event "Live Chess - Odds Chess"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2020.11.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "PlayKomodo"]
[Black "Hikaru"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PP1PPP1P/RNBQKBNR w KQkq -"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "3400"]
[BlackElo "2595"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[EndTime "16:43:33 PST"]
[Termination "PlayKomodo won by resignation"]

1. d4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Rg1 g6 5. Bg5 Be7 6. Qd2 Nbd7 7. O-O-O a6 8. h4
b5 9. Kb1 Bb7 10. e3 h6 11. Bf4 c5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Bd3 Qe7 14. Ne5 Nxe5 15.
Bxe5 Bd6 16. Bxd6 Qxd6 17. Ne2 Rc8 18. f4 Ke7 19. Nd4 h5 20. f5 gxf5 21. Bxf5
Rhg8 22. Rgf1 Rg7 23. Ka1 Rcg8 24. e4 Rg2 25. e5 Qxe5 26. Qc3 Qd6 27. Bc2 R8g3
28. Nc6+ Bxc6 29. Qxf6+ Kd7 30. Qxf7+ Qe7 31. Qxh5 Rg7 32. Rc1 Kc7 33. Bb1 Kb7
34. Qe5 Qxh4 35. Qxe6 Rc7 36. Rf7 Rxf7 1-0
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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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Milos wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:43 am
Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:39 am Nakamura's position still drawn but it looks like he will blunder and lose the 4th game, leading to 2.5-1.5 for Dragon.
It's 100% lost
When I posted it was drawn. :wink:

In this last game, Dragon succeeded in keeping the position complex and messy very long, and Hikaru's king in the center made it much harder for him to find the right moves.

Was it regular Dragon or the MCTS version playing tonight ?
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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:45 am
Milos wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:43 am
Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:39 am Nakamura's position still drawn but it looks like he will blunder and lose the 4th game, leading to 2.5-1.5 for Dragon.
It's 100% lost
When I posted it was drawn. :wink:
When he missed Nd7 he basically lost.
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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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AdminX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:44 am [pgn]
[Event "Live Chess - Odds Chess"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2020.11.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "PlayKomodo"]
[Black "Hikaru"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PP1PPP1P/RNBQKBNR w KQkq -"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "3400"]
[BlackElo "2595"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[EndTime "16:43:33 PST"]
[Termination "PlayKomodo won by resignation"]

1. d4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Rg1 g6 5. Bg5 Be7 6. Qd2 Nbd7 7. O-O-O a6 8. h4
b5 9. Kb1 Bb7 10. e3 h6 11. Bf4 c5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Bd3 Qe7 14. Ne5 Nxe5 15.
Bxe5 Bd6 16. Bxd6 Qxd6 17. Ne2 Rc8 18. f4 Ke7 19. Nd4 h5 20. f5 gxf5 21. Bxf5
Rhg8 22. Rgf1 Rg7 23. Ka1 Rcg8 24. e4 Rg2 25. e5 Qxe5 26. Qc3 Qd6 27. Bc2 R8g3
28. Nc6+ Bxc6 29. Qxf6+ Kd7 30. Qxf7+ Qe7 31. Qxh5 Rg7 32. Rc1 Kc7 33. Bb1 Kb7
34. Qe5 Qxh4 35. Qxe6 Rc7 36. Rf7 Rxf7 1-0
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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:39 am Nakamura's position still drawn but it looks like he will blunder and lose the 4th game, leading to 2.5-1.5 for Dragon.
I find it amusing that people are posting sf12 evals in the chat, given how much stronger Dragon is in odds play. :-)
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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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dkappe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:56 am
Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:39 am Nakamura's position still drawn but it looks like he will blunder and lose the 4th game, leading to 2.5-1.5 for Dragon.
I find it amusing that people are posting sf12 evals in the chat, given how much stronger Dragon is in odds play. :-)
It seems are simulated Nakamura results are reasonable. So we can match Stockfish 12 with sim Naka. And see how bad SF12 plays with a handicap.
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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:45 am
Milos wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:43 am
Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:39 am Nakamura's position still drawn but it looks like he will blunder and lose the 4th game, leading to 2.5-1.5 for Dragon.
It's 100% lost
When I posted it was drawn. :wink:

In this last game, Dragon succeeded in keeping the position complex and messy very long, and Hikaru's king in the center made it much harder for him to find the right moves.

Was it regular Dragon or the MCTS version playing tonight ?
It was regular Dragon. But I think we'll go with MCTS Dragon tomorrow, mainly for variety. MCTS Dragon does worse than normal Dragon giving handicaps to other engines (maybe not Lc0, that's worth testing), but it did better against my son and the regular Komodo MCTS did much better than regular Komodo giving handicaps to GM Alex Lenderman. Perhaps simulation won't predict well in this case.
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Re: Dragon versus Nakamura

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lkaufman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:50 am
Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:45 am
Milos wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:43 am
Alayan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:39 am Nakamura's position still drawn but it looks like he will blunder and lose the 4th game, leading to 2.5-1.5 for Dragon.
It's 100% lost
When I posted it was drawn. :wink:

In this last game, Dragon succeeded in keeping the position complex and messy very long, and Hikaru's king in the center made it much harder for him to find the right moves.

Was it regular Dragon or the MCTS version playing tonight ?
It was regular Dragon. But I think we'll go with MCTS Dragon tomorrow, mainly for variety. MCTS Dragon does worse than normal Dragon giving handicaps to other engines (maybe not Lc0, that's worth testing), but it did better against my son and the regular Komodo MCTS did much better than regular Komodo giving handicaps to GM Alex Lenderman. Perhaps simulation won't predict well in this case.
What was the final score today?
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