M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?

[jshriver]

Probably becuase most people who actually care about "using" a computer don't buy overpriced mid-to-low-end hw simply because of their shiny logotype on the back, in the first place.

Been following this thread and it's kinda hard. Good grief, let people buy what they want to buy and makes them happy. I'm looking forward to the m1, OS X is a solid OS, and I can use all my *nix goodies from it. It's just another machine in the lab and another option to explore and enjoy for what it is. Dont understand all thie anger.

Mods, is there anyway we could split this thread into an actual M1 for Chess and another for Apple vs The World for the flame threads, so we can have a clean post for just chess ports and info?

On a side note I do have enough for one now, though I'm torn because I've been getting into AI and NN a lot lately, and debating getting the m1 or a 3060 for my linux box. Torn because I could realy use the GPU, but looking forward to toying with OS X/iOS dev and porting engines over and testing.
Will give it another month, 3060's have been sold out for a long time now.

If I get the stimulus check then I can get both and still save the rest. Crossing fingers

[acepoint_de]

Probably becuase most people who actually care about "using" a computer don't buy overpriced mid-to-low-end hw simply because of their shiny logotype on the back, in the first place.

Been following this thread and it's kinda hard. Good grief, let people buy what they want to buy and makes them happy. I'm looking forward to the m1, OS X is a solid OS, and I can use all my *nix goodies from it. It's just another machine in the lab and another option to explore and enjoy for what it is. Dont understand all thie anger.

Mods, is there anyway we could split this thread into an actual M1 for Chess and another for Apple vs The World for the flame threads, so we can have a clean post for just chess ports and info?

I''ll second that.

Ciao

acepoint

[AlexChess]

Just compiled Fat Fritz 2.0 on Silicon M1 from the open source GPL 3.0 repository. It is strong, but not like the true Stockfish dev!

[AlexChess]

Found how to test new engines with BanksiaGui on Mac mini M1 without restarting all the games: Gauntlet tournaments.

(But if someone has a workaround to insert them without loosing all previous results, I would prefer Round Robin Carousel like I do with Arena)

Regards,
AlexChess

[AlexChess]

Three 3 min + 3 seconds Gauntlet with new and updated M1 engines:

[jshriver]

By chance do you know where to find the Harmon v13 engine source? My google-fu must be weak, also checked github and here as well. Keep coming up with mention of the Android GUI App.

Enjoy seeing your test results. Apple is working with the torch team and there are versions out now for the M1. So that will help a good bit on training.

[AlexChess]

New compilation:

Stockfish-dev 20210404 for Silicon M1
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkW3Hj0Gl_ewzzxUp6m ... E?e=IWHyjB
Source: https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish

It's also available Igel 3.0.0 NNUE, but I have issues in compiling it
Source: https://github.com/vshcherbyna/igel

[AlexChess]

By chance do you know where to find the Harmon v13 engine source? My google-fu must be weak, also checked github and here as well. Keep coming up with mention of the Android GUI App.

Enjoy seeing your test results. Apple is working with the torch team and there are versions out now for the M1. So that will help a good bit on training.

https://github.com/MichaelB7/Stockfish/releases

Regards, Alex

[Milos]

Probably becuase most people who actually care about "using" a computer don't buy overpriced mid-to-low-end hw simply because of their shiny logotype on the back, in the first place.

Been following this thread and it's kinda hard. Good grief, let people buy what they want to buy and makes them happy. I'm looking forward to the m1, OS X is a solid OS, and I can use all my *nix goodies from it. It's just another machine in the lab and another option to explore and enjoy for what it is. Dont understand all thie anger.

Mods, is there anyway we could split this thread into an actual M1 for Chess and another for Apple vs The World for the flame threads, so we can have a clean post for just chess ports and info?

On a side note I do have enough for one now, though I'm torn because I've been getting into AI and NN a lot lately, and debating getting the m1 or a 3060 for my linux box. Torn because I could realy use the GPU, but looking forward to toying with OS X/iOS dev and porting engines over and testing.
Will give it another month, 3060's have been sold out for a long time now.

If I get the stimulus check then I can get both and still save the rest. Crossing fingers

You are already deeply converted to iSheep, so you are not a target audience of ppl that write realistic (well bad in a view point of a rotten apple fan) posts about Mac hardware. Ppl write here as warning for others that didn't yet cross to the dark side .
Apple is an (evil) multi-billion dollar company, not a forum member. Asking moderation to protect it from bad comments is kind of ridiculous.

[Alayan]

You are already deeply converted to iSheep, so you are not a target audience of ppl that write realistic (well bad in a view point of a rotten apple fan) posts about Mac hardware. Ppl write here as warning for others that didn't yet cross to the dark side .
Apple is an (evil) multi-billion dollar company, not a forum member. Asking moderation to protect it from bad comments is kind of ridiculous.

I don't like Apple. I find their control-freak attitude regarding the software ecosystem and hardware maintenance on their machine repelling; and so do I find the "brand cult" they have. I wouldn't buy a Mac even if it had awesome performance/price (which it doesn't have).

Many claims about the superiority of the M1's as a CPU are exaggerated. I argued earlier how the power efficiency comparisons with desktop x86 CPUs are highly misleading.

But it's not productive to be aggressive towards people who bought a Mac, or to claim the M1 is trash (it's not, as a CPU, though tied to a software stack I don't want to touch). This disrupts civil discourse, and makes the forum a less pleasant place. People who already agree with you will consider your points, but others will ignore them because your tone put them on the defensive (others have done it too, my point apply to them too).