An idea for new Handicap games for dragon

[Chessqueen]

In the meantime, Did Penguin say yes for a match ?

What is Penguin his rating, is he a person ?

I was wondering if Komodo MCTS was really much better at 960, so I decided to take a Rook Odds and give it my b7 pawn

[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.07.12"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "bbnrkqnr/p1pppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BBN1KQNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

1. b3 c5 2. Nd3 c4 3. bxc4 Nb6 4. c5 Nc4 5. f3 Bc7 6. a3 Nxa3 7. Kf2 e5 8. Bc3
Nh6 9. e3 e4 10. Ba2 exd3 11. Qxd3 Rb8 12. Ne2 f6 13. Ba5 Nb5 14. Bxc7 Nxc7 15.
Qa3 a6 16. h4 Qe7 17. Nf4 Kd8 18. Bc4 Re8 19. Bd3 g5 20. hxg5 fxg5 21. Ne2 Qf8
22. Qa4 Re5 23. c6 Bxc6 24. Qa1 Re7 25. Nd4 g4 26. Nxc6+ dxc6 27. Qd4+ Nd5 28.
c4 gxf3 29. gxf3 Rb4 30. Rh5 Rd7 31. Ke2 Nf6 32. Qf4 Nhg8 33. Ra5 Rb3 34. Rxa6
Qg7 35. Qe5 Ne7 36. Ra8+ Nc8 37. Qa5+ Ke7 38. Bc2 Qg2+ 39. Ke1 Rxe3+ 40. dxe3
Qxc2 41. Qe5+ Kf7 0-1[/pgn]

It's Andrew Tang. Of course he is human. He is one of the best in the world at bullet. Only 3 players are really above him. I think Komodo would be favorite, even with a 1 sec increment ( 1+1 ).

Andrew Tang might be good playing bullet against other humans, but when it comes to playing bullet versus any engine even rated a low 2800 thru 2900 in standard ( Not even to mention Dragon or Stockfish rated around 3800 if they only play versus humans in Bullet games)[/size] ,but if you match it against Andrew Tang or GM Nakamura or GM Carlsen I would put my money on the low rated engine. When humans play Blitz or Bullet games usually there are 3 to 5 blunders and the human that makes the least amount of blunders usually wins. But when you match it versus low rated engines between 2800-2900 the engines will not makes any blunders like human do. Simply download 10 of Andrew Tang Bullet games or GM Nakamura and analyze them with a low rated engine between 2800 to 2900 you will immediately see how many blunders there are, but like I said before the usually the other human that does NOT have such a high rating in Bullet commit more blunders and that is why they get such high bullet ratings. Go ahead go to chess.com and download 10 or 20 games from Andrew Tang and analyze them, you will be SURPRISE !

NOTE: My online trainer always tell me if you want to improve in chess do NOT waste your time trying to make less blunders than your opponent playing Blitz or Bullet games because those games are full of blunders specially in time control less than 3 minutes. The Bullet games should be called (blundering bullet chess games) where the person that blunders the least usually wins. If I were to play any game less than 3 minutes even against Komodo 9, I would have to take at least a Rook and a Pawn Odds and if it was Bullet probably a Rook and 2 pawns Odds even with an increment of 3 seconds. Andrew Tang in Bullet will have to take at least a Knight Odds against Dragon. Remember it is NOT an engine against another engine that merely or usually does NOT Blunder in Bullets, it is against a Human vs engine under pressure like he has never seen before when playing versus any engine. In order to see any tactical combination that an engine is preparing against a human, the human usually need at least 10 to 20 seconds to detect it and play the best response, you simply can NOT do this in Bullet games against an engine.

[Chessqueen]

In the meantime, Did Penguin say yes for a match ?

What is Penguin his rating, is he a person ?

I was wondering if Komodo MCTS was really much better at 960, so I decided to take a Rook Odds and give it my b7 pawn

[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.07.12"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "bbnrkqnr/p1pppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BBN1KQNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

1. b3 c5 2. Nd3 c4 3. bxc4 Nb6 4. c5 Nc4 5. f3 Bc7 6. a3 Nxa3 7. Kf2 e5 8. Bc3
Nh6 9. e3 e4 10. Ba2 exd3 11. Qxd3 Rb8 12. Ne2 f6 13. Ba5 Nb5 14. Bxc7 Nxc7 15.
Qa3 a6 16. h4 Qe7 17. Nf4 Kd8 18. Bc4 Re8 19. Bd3 g5 20. hxg5 fxg5 21. Ne2 Qf8
22. Qa4 Re5 23. c6 Bxc6 24. Qa1 Re7 25. Nd4 g4 26. Nxc6+ dxc6 27. Qd4+ Nd5 28.
c4 gxf3 29. gxf3 Rb4 30. Rh5 Rd7 31. Ke2 Nf6 32. Qf4 Nhg8 33. Ra5 Rb3 34. Rxa6
Qg7 35. Qe5 Ne7 36. Ra8+ Nc8 37. Qa5+ Ke7 38. Bc2 Qg2+ 39. Ke1 Rxe3+ 40. dxe3
Qxc2 41. Qe5+ Kf7 0-1[/pgn]

It's Andrew Tang. Of course he is human. He is one of the best in the world at bullet. Only 3 players are really above him. I think Komodo would be favorite, even with a 1 sec increment ( 1+1 ).

Andrew Tang might be good playing bullet against other humans, but when it comes to playing bullet versus any engine even rated a low 2800 thru 2900 in standard ( Not even to mention Dragon or Stockfish rated around 3800 if they only play versus humans in Bullet games)[/size] ,but if you match it against Andrew Tang or GM Nakamura or GM Carlsen I would put my money on the low rated engine. When humans play Blitz or Bullet games usually there are 3 to 5 blunders and the human that makes the least amount of blunders usually wins. But when you match it versus low rated engines between 2800-2900 the engines will not makes any blunders like human do. Simply download 10 of Andrew Tang Bullet games or GM Nakamura and analyze them with a low rated engine between 2800 to 2900 you will immediately see how many blunders there are, but like I said before the usually the other human that does NOT have such a high rating in Bullet commit more blunders and that is why they get such high bullet ratings. Go ahead go to chess.com and download 10 or 20 games from Andrew Tang and analyze them, you will be SURPRISE !

NOTE: My online trainer always tell me if you want to improve in chess do NOT waste your time trying to make less blunders than your opponent playing Blitz or Bullet games because those games are full of blunders specially in time control less than 3 minutes. The Bullet games should be called (blundering bullet chess games) where the person that blunders the least usually wins. If I were to play any game less than 3 minutes even against Komodo 9, I would have to take at least a Rook and a Pawn Odds and if it was Bullet probably a Rook and 2 pawns Odds even with an increment of 3 seconds. Andrew Tang in Bullet will have to take at least a Knight Odds against Dragon. Remember it is NOT an engine against another engine that merely or usually does NOT Blunder in Bullets, it is against a Human vs engine under pressure like he has never seen before when playing versus any engine. In order to see any tactical combination that an engine is preparing against a human, the human usually need at least 10 to 20 seconds to detect it and play the best response, you simply can NOT do this in Bullet games against an engine.

Here analyze these games by pausing after every move with Komodo Dragon or even the free Komodo version 10 and you will catch all the tactical Blunders by both Carlsen and Tang


Every time Nakamura say he got careless it is a blunder by time pressure -->

[JJJ]

In the meantime, Did Penguin say yes for a match ?

No, I didn't get a reply from him.

Maybe he doesn't know you enough ? Maybe someone knowing him well should ask him instead because he might received thousands of messages everyday ?

[lkaufman]

In the meantime, Did Penguin say yes for a match ?

No, I didn't get a reply from him.

Maybe he doesn't know you enough ? Maybe someone knowing him well should ask him instead because he might received thousands of messages everyday ?

Could be, no way to tell. If someone who knows him well wants to ask him, that's fine with me.

[Chessqueen]

In the meantime, Did Penguin say yes for a match ?

No, I didn't get a reply from him.

Maybe he doesn't know you enough ? Maybe someone knowing him well should ask him instead because he might received thousands of messages everyday ?

Could be, no way to tell. If someone who knows him well wants to ask him, that's fine with me.

Knowing how many tactical shots human makes in Bullet games, since I just went over 5 of his games analyzing it with Komodo 13.3 as an average Tang missed 3 tactical forcing winning moves per game that he could have beating Carlsen, and Carlsen missed 2 tactical forcing moves per game, therefore I would put my money on Komodo even if you decides to use the FREE version of Komodo version 10 The only way for Carlsen , Nakamura or Tang to have a fair match against Komodo 10 is to give 10 minutes plus 5 sec increment to the human and 1 minutes plus 3 sec to Komodo even Komodo version 10.

You can replay these games using Komodo and see it for yourself, and you do NOT have to purchase Komodo you can download version 10 for FREE

[mwyoung]

Something is wrong here. Komodo gave this same handicap to GM Joel Benjamin successfully years ago, and I don't think you are in his class. I see that your engine searched 24 plies on the first two moves. On my laptop, same time control (7 threads), it searched 30 plies on first move and 33 plies on second! Even set to use just one thread, it searched 29 plies on first move, and again 29 on second. You are clearly doing something very wrong or have a very defective computer, I just can't guess what's wrong.

I am sure you did guess.

And it even picked up the issue you noted in the first game with Komodo. (Komodo-13.3-64bit: 67 => Average=0.67)

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Unfortunately, a frequently occurring problem
 in online chess is the employment of unauthorised aids,
 e.g. chess engines running in parallel. 
 As a way to measure tactical precision and as an indication 
 of possible computer help Centipawn Analysis has been introduced. 
 Strong GMs in long games reach CP losses between 15 and 25. 
 Club players achieve between 30 and 60.

Code: Select all

ChessQueen:   10/4/5/3/1  => Average=0.06
Komodo 13.3 64-bit:   16/18/13/14  => Average=0.15
Komodo-13.3-64bit:   67  => Average=0.67

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2020.12.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn1qk1nr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "126"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]

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-1651,-25000,-25000,-25000,-25000,-25000,-25000,-4153,-3306,-1629,-1709]} 1. d4
{Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} c5 2. dxc5 Qa5+ 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. e4 {OK} Nf6 5.
Bd3 {OK} Qxc5 {OK} 6. Nf3 {OK} e6 7. Be3 {OK} Qe7 8. h3 {OK} d6 {OK} 9. Rd1 O-O
{OK} 10. a3 Rac8 {OK} 11. O-O {OK} a6 {OK} 12. Rfe1 Qc7 {OK} 13. Rd2 h6 {OK}
14. Red1 {OK} Rfd8 {OK} 15. Be2 Ne7 {OK} 16. Bd4 Ng6 17. Bxf6 gxf6 18. Nd4 {OK}
Kh7 19. g3 b5 20. f4 Ne7 {OK} 21. Kg2 Qb6 {OK} 22. Bf3 b4 23. axb4 {OK} Qxb4
24. Nb3 {OK} Kh8 {OK} 25. Kh2 a5 {OK} 26. Bg2 {OK} a4 {OK} 27. Rd4 {OK} Qb8 28.
Rxa4 {OK} f5 {OK} 29. Rd2 fxe4 {OK} 30. Bxe4 h5 31. h4 {OK} d5 32. Bd3 {OK} Ng8
{OK} 33. Re2 Nf6 34. Kg2 Ng4 {OK} 35. Ra5 {OK} Rg8 {OK} 36. Rb5 Qc7 {OK} 37.
Rc5 Qd8 {OK} 38. Rxc8 {OK} Qxc8 39. Nd2 Qb8 {OK} 40. b3 Qb4 {OK} 41. Nd1 f6 {OK
} 42. Nf2 Nxf2 43. Rxf2 e5 {OK} 44. Nf1 (44. fxe5 $142) 44... e4 $19 45. Be2 f5
46. Bxh5 d4 47. Re2 Qc3 48. Kh3 Ra8 49. Rg2 Ra1 50. Nh2 Kg7 51. b4 Qxb4 52. Be8
Rh1 53. Bd7 Qc5 54. Ba4 Qc4 55. Be8 Qf1 56. Bh5 Qb1 57. g4 Qf1 58. gxf5+ Kf6
59. Kg3 Qe1+ 60. Kh3 Qc3+ 61. Rg3 Qxc2 62. Rg6+ Kxf5 63. Rg5+ Kxf4 {OK:
White=17, Black=25. Weighted Error Value: White=0.67/Black=0.10 Centipawn
loss: w=59/b=11} 0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Annotator "Corsair"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqk1nr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "43"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

{[%evp 0,43,531,532,555,563,557,557,557,557,571,551,578,578,583,577,608,607,
602,601,619,619,619,619,682,691,679,665,721,721,721,731,746,733,850,848,957,
949,1013,947,964,869,996,1003,1120,1388]} 1. e4 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:
} Nc6 2. d4 {OK} d5 {OK} 3. exd5 {OK} Qxd5 4. Nf3 {OK} Bg4 5. Be2 Bxf3 6. Bxf3
Qa5+ 7. c3 {OK} e5 8. Qb3 Nxd4 9. Qxb7 Nxf3+ 10. gxf3 Rd8 11. Rg1 {White is
clearly winning} Qd5 12. Qxd5 Rxd5 13. Rxg7 Kf8 14. Rg3 Ke7 15. c4 Rd4 16. b3
h5 17. Nd2 Rh4 18. Ne4 Rxh2 19. Ba3+ Ke6 20. Rg1 Nf6 21. Rd1 Nxe4 22. fxe4 {
OK: White=4, Black=1. Weighted Error Value: White=0.03/Black=0.13 Centipawn
loss: w=3/b=11} 1-0

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.06.12"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "Corsair"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PP1PPPPP/RNBQK1NR w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "94"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

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e4 Ne7 {OK} 8. f4 gxf3 {OK} 9. gxf3 Nbc6 {OK} 10. Nge2 {OK} exd4 {OK} 11. Nxd4
Rg8 {OK} 12. Nde2 Ne5 {OK} 13. f4 Nf3+ {OK} 14. Kf2 {OK} Bg4 {OK} 15. Qc2 c6
16. Rad1 Qb6+ {OK} 17. Kg2 {OK} Qc5 {Black is clearly winning} 18. Qd3 Qh5 19.
Kf2 Ng6 20. b4 Rg7 21. Qe3 Rd7 {OK} 22. Kg2 Be7 23. f5 {OK} Nge5 {OK} 24. Nf4 {
OK} Nc4 25. Qf2 Qh6 26. Rde1 Bd8 27. a4 Bb6 28. Qa2 d5 29. exd5+ Nxe1+ 30.
Rxe1+ Ne3+ 31. Kh2 Re7 32. d6 Re5 {Best (Easy)} 33. a5 {OK} Bd4 {OK} 34. Nce2
Bxe2 {Best} 35. Nxe2 Nd5 {OK} 36. b5 Bc5 37. bxc6 bxc6 38. Qc2 Ne3 {OK} 39. Qa4
Rc8 40. Bxe5 fxe5 41. Kh3 Kd7 42. Qb3 Bxd6 43. f6 Rf8 44. Ng3 Nd5 45. Qb7+ Bc7
46. Qa6 Nf4+ 47. Kg4 Rg8+ {Best: Black=2 OK: White=7, Black=16. Weighted
Error Value: White=0.18/Black=0.05 Centipawn loss: w=15/b=5} 0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.06.12"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "Corsair"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PP1PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

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} 1. d4 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} Nf6 {OK} 2. g3 e6 3. Bg2 d5 {OK} 4.
Nf3 Bd6 {OK} 5. O-O O-O {OK} 6. b3 b6 {OK} 7. Bb2 Bb7 8. Re1 Qe7 9. Rc1 Na6 {OK
} 10. Nd2 Rac8 {OK} 11. Nc4 {OK} Bb4 {OK} 12. Nd2 Ne4 {OK} 13. Bxe4 {OK} dxe4
14. e3 Rfd8 {Black is clearly winning} 15. Re2 Qf8 16. Kg2 Be7 17. a3 Bxa3 18.
Bxa3 Qxa3 19. Nc4 Qe7 20. Kg1 c5 21. Ra1 cxd4 22. exd4 Nc7 23. Na3 e5 24. d5
Nxd5 25. Qf1 Ba6 26. Nc4 Bxc4 27. bxc4 Rxc4 28. Rea2 Rc7 29. Rb2 Nc3 30. Qe1
Rd3 31. h3 b5 32. Kg2 b4 33. Ra5 Rcd7 34. h4 f5 35. Qc1 f4 {OK: White=2,
Black=9. Weighted Error Value: White=0.14/Black=0.01 Centipawn loss: w=15/b=2}
0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.07.12"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "Corsair"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "bbnrkqnr/p1pppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BBN1KQNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

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f3 {OK} Bc7 6. a3 Nxa3 {OK} 7. Kf2 {OK} e5 8. Bc3 Nh6 {OK} 9. e3 e4 {OK} 10.
Ba2 exd3 {OK} 11. Qxd3 Rb8 12. Ne2 f6 {OK} 13. Ba5 Nb5 {OK} 14. Bxc7 {OK} Nxc7
15. Qa3 a6 {Black is clearly winning. OK} 16. h4 Qe7 17. Nf4 Kd8 {OK} 18. Bc4 {
OK} Re8 {OK} 19. Bd3 g5 {OK} 20. hxg5 {OK} fxg5 21. Ne2 Qf8 22. Qa4 Re5 23. c6
Bxc6 {OK} 24. Qa1 {OK} Re7 {OK} 25. Nd4 {OK} g4 26. Nxc6+ {OK} dxc6 27. Qd4+
Nd5 28. c4 gxf3 29. gxf3 Rb4 30. Rh5 Rd7 31. Ke2 Nf6 32. Qf4 Nhg8 33. Ra5 Rb3
34. Rxa6 Qg7 35. Qe5 Ne7 36. Ra8+ Nc8 37. Qa5+ Ke7 38. Bc2 Qg2+ 39. Ke1 Rxe3+
40. dxe3 Qxc2 41. Qe5+ Kf7 {OK: White=10, Black=14. Weighted Error Value:
White=0.16/Black=0.04 Centipawn loss: w=15/b=4} 0-1

[/pgn]

[mwyoung]

Something is wrong here. Komodo gave this same handicap to GM Joel Benjamin successfully years ago, and I don't think you are in his class. I see that your engine searched 24 plies on the first two moves. On my laptop, same time control (7 threads), it searched 30 plies on first move and 33 plies on second! Even set to use just one thread, it searched 29 plies on first move, and again 29 on second. You are clearly doing something very wrong or have a very defective computer, I just can't guess what's wrong.

I am sure you did guess.

And it even picked up the issue you noted in the first game with Komodo. (Komodo-13.3-64bit: 67 => Average=0.67)

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Unfortunately, a frequently occurring problem
 in online chess is the employment of unauthorised aids,
 e.g. chess engines running in parallel. 
 As a way to measure tactical precision and as an indication 
 of possible computer help Centipawn Analysis has been introduced. 
 Strong GMs in long games reach CP losses between 15 and 25. 
 Club players achieve between 30 and 60.

Code: Select all

ChessQueen:   10/4/5/3/1  => Average=0.06
Komodo 13.3 64-bit:   16/18/13/14  => Average=0.15
Komodo-13.3-64bit:   67  => Average=0.67

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2020.12.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn1qk1nr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "126"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]

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{Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} c5 2. dxc5 Qa5+ 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. e4 {OK} Nf6 5.
Bd3 {OK} Qxc5 {OK} 6. Nf3 {OK} e6 7. Be3 {OK} Qe7 8. h3 {OK} d6 {OK} 9. Rd1 O-O
{OK} 10. a3 Rac8 {OK} 11. O-O {OK} a6 {OK} 12. Rfe1 Qc7 {OK} 13. Rd2 h6 {OK}
14. Red1 {OK} Rfd8 {OK} 15. Be2 Ne7 {OK} 16. Bd4 Ng6 17. Bxf6 gxf6 18. Nd4 {OK}
Kh7 19. g3 b5 20. f4 Ne7 {OK} 21. Kg2 Qb6 {OK} 22. Bf3 b4 23. axb4 {OK} Qxb4
24. Nb3 {OK} Kh8 {OK} 25. Kh2 a5 {OK} 26. Bg2 {OK} a4 {OK} 27. Rd4 {OK} Qb8 28.
Rxa4 {OK} f5 {OK} 29. Rd2 fxe4 {OK} 30. Bxe4 h5 31. h4 {OK} d5 32. Bd3 {OK} Ng8
{OK} 33. Re2 Nf6 34. Kg2 Ng4 {OK} 35. Ra5 {OK} Rg8 {OK} 36. Rb5 Qc7 {OK} 37.
Rc5 Qd8 {OK} 38. Rxc8 {OK} Qxc8 39. Nd2 Qb8 {OK} 40. b3 Qb4 {OK} 41. Nd1 f6 {OK
} 42. Nf2 Nxf2 43. Rxf2 e5 {OK} 44. Nf1 (44. fxe5 $142) 44... e4 $19 45. Be2 f5
46. Bxh5 d4 47. Re2 Qc3 48. Kh3 Ra8 49. Rg2 Ra1 50. Nh2 Kg7 51. b4 Qxb4 52. Be8
Rh1 53. Bd7 Qc5 54. Ba4 Qc4 55. Be8 Qf1 56. Bh5 Qb1 57. g4 Qf1 58. gxf5+ Kf6
59. Kg3 Qe1+ 60. Kh3 Qc3+ 61. Rg3 Qxc2 62. Rg6+ Kxf5 63. Rg5+ Kxf4 {OK:
White=17, Black=25. Weighted Error Value: White=0.67/Black=0.10 Centipawn
loss: w=59/b=11} 0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Annotator "Corsair"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqk1nr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "43"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

{[%evp 0,43,531,532,555,563,557,557,557,557,571,551,578,578,583,577,608,607,
602,601,619,619,619,619,682,691,679,665,721,721,721,731,746,733,850,848,957,
949,1013,947,964,869,996,1003,1120,1388]} 1. e4 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:
} Nc6 2. d4 {OK} d5 {OK} 3. exd5 {OK} Qxd5 4. Nf3 {OK} Bg4 5. Be2 Bxf3 6. Bxf3
Qa5+ 7. c3 {OK} e5 8. Qb3 Nxd4 9. Qxb7 Nxf3+ 10. gxf3 Rd8 11. Rg1 {White is
clearly winning} Qd5 12. Qxd5 Rxd5 13. Rxg7 Kf8 14. Rg3 Ke7 15. c4 Rd4 16. b3
h5 17. Nd2 Rh4 18. Ne4 Rxh2 19. Ba3+ Ke6 20. Rg1 Nf6 21. Rd1 Nxe4 22. fxe4 {
OK: White=4, Black=1. Weighted Error Value: White=0.03/Black=0.13 Centipawn
loss: w=3/b=11} 1-0

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.06.12"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "Corsair"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PP1PPPPP/RNBQK1NR w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "94"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

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-604,-556,-564,-566,-669,-669,-669,-646,-677,-621,-736,-736,-899,-918,-948,
-920,-997,-924,-29984,-29985,-29985,-29986]} 1. d4 {Dragon by Komodo Chess
64-bit:} e6 2. Bf4 g5 3. Be5 f6 4. Bg3 {OK} d6 5. h4 g4 {OK} 6. Nc3 e5 {OK} 7.
e4 Ne7 {OK} 8. f4 gxf3 {OK} 9. gxf3 Nbc6 {OK} 10. Nge2 {OK} exd4 {OK} 11. Nxd4
Rg8 {OK} 12. Nde2 Ne5 {OK} 13. f4 Nf3+ {OK} 14. Kf2 {OK} Bg4 {OK} 15. Qc2 c6
16. Rad1 Qb6+ {OK} 17. Kg2 {OK} Qc5 {Black is clearly winning} 18. Qd3 Qh5 19.
Kf2 Ng6 20. b4 Rg7 21. Qe3 Rd7 {OK} 22. Kg2 Be7 23. f5 {OK} Nge5 {OK} 24. Nf4 {
OK} Nc4 25. Qf2 Qh6 26. Rde1 Bd8 27. a4 Bb6 28. Qa2 d5 29. exd5+ Nxe1+ 30.
Rxe1+ Ne3+ 31. Kh2 Re7 32. d6 Re5 {Best (Easy)} 33. a5 {OK} Bd4 {OK} 34. Nce2
Bxe2 {Best} 35. Nxe2 Nd5 {OK} 36. b5 Bc5 37. bxc6 bxc6 38. Qc2 Ne3 {OK} 39. Qa4
Rc8 40. Bxe5 fxe5 41. Kh3 Kd7 42. Qb3 Bxd6 43. f6 Rf8 44. Ng3 Nd5 45. Qb7+ Bc7
46. Qa6 Nf4+ 47. Kg4 Rg8+ {Best: Black=2 OK: White=7, Black=16. Weighted
Error Value: White=0.18/Black=0.05 Centipawn loss: w=15/b=5} 0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.06.12"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "Corsair"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PP1PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

{[%evp 0,70,-480,-477,-469,-484,-488,-490,-491,-491,-491,-491,-491,-496,-491,
-504,-491,-501,-498,-500,-505,-519,-512,-512,-508,-558,-554,-554,-542,-621,
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-1054,-1112,-1097,-1137,-1131,-1164,-1132,-1224,-1208,-1314,-1230,-1331,-1478]
} 1. d4 {Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit:} Nf6 {OK} 2. g3 e6 3. Bg2 d5 {OK} 4.
Nf3 Bd6 {OK} 5. O-O O-O {OK} 6. b3 b6 {OK} 7. Bb2 Bb7 8. Re1 Qe7 9. Rc1 Na6 {OK
} 10. Nd2 Rac8 {OK} 11. Nc4 {OK} Bb4 {OK} 12. Nd2 Ne4 {OK} 13. Bxe4 {OK} dxe4
14. e3 Rfd8 {Black is clearly winning} 15. Re2 Qf8 16. Kg2 Be7 17. a3 Bxa3 18.
Bxa3 Qxa3 19. Nc4 Qe7 20. Kg1 c5 21. Ra1 cxd4 22. exd4 Nc7 23. Na3 e5 24. d5
Nxd5 25. Qf1 Ba6 26. Nc4 Bxc4 27. bxc4 Rxc4 28. Rea2 Rc7 29. Rb2 Nc3 30. Qe1
Rd3 31. h3 b5 32. Kg2 b4 33. Ra5 Rcd7 34. h4 f5 35. Qc1 f4 {OK: White=2,
Black=9. Weighted Error Value: White=0.14/Black=0.01 Centipawn loss: w=15/b=2}
0-1

[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Blitz:20'+10"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.07.12"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "Corsair"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "bbnrkqnr/p1pppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BBN1KQNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[EventType "blitz"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

{[%evp 0,82,-428,-424,-424,-460,-460,-460,-460,-465,-465,-450,-436,-476,-472,
-467,-452,-517,-512,-533,-504,-515,-488,-525,-505,-518,-507,-523,-523,-523,
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-1316,-1138,-1533,-1528,-1460,-1392,-1199,-1062,-1395,-1447]} 1. b3 {Dragon by
Komodo Chess 64-bit:} c5 2. Nd3 c4 {OK} 3. bxc4 {OK} Nb6 4. c5 {OK} Nc4 {OK} 5.
f3 {OK} Bc7 6. a3 Nxa3 {OK} 7. Kf2 {OK} e5 8. Bc3 Nh6 {OK} 9. e3 e4 {OK} 10.
Ba2 exd3 {OK} 11. Qxd3 Rb8 12. Ne2 f6 {OK} 13. Ba5 Nb5 {OK} 14. Bxc7 {OK} Nxc7
15. Qa3 a6 {Black is clearly winning. OK} 16. h4 Qe7 17. Nf4 Kd8 {OK} 18. Bc4 {
OK} Re8 {OK} 19. Bd3 g5 {OK} 20. hxg5 {OK} fxg5 21. Ne2 Qf8 22. Qa4 Re5 23. c6
Bxc6 {OK} 24. Qa1 {OK} Re7 {OK} 25. Nd4 {OK} g4 26. Nxc6+ {OK} dxc6 27. Qd4+
Nd5 28. c4 gxf3 29. gxf3 Rb4 30. Rh5 Rd7 31. Ke2 Nf6 32. Qf4 Nhg8 33. Ra5 Rb3
34. Rxa6 Qg7 35. Qe5 Ne7 36. Ra8+ Nc8 37. Qa5+ Ke7 38. Bc2 Qg2+ 39. Ke1 Rxe3+
40. dxe3 Qxc2 41. Qe5+ Kf7 {OK: White=10, Black=14. Weighted Error Value:
White=0.16/Black=0.04 Centipawn loss: w=15/b=4} 0-1

[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

Something is wrong here. Komodo gave this same handicap to GM Joel Benjamin successfully years ago, and I don't think you are in his class. I see that your engine searched 24 plies on the first two moves. On my laptop, same time control (7 threads), it searched 30 plies on first move and 33 plies on second! Even set to use just one thread, it searched 29 plies on first move, and again 29 on second. You are clearly doing something very wrong or have a very defective computer, I just can't guess what's wrong.

I am sure you did guess.

And it even picked up the issue you noted in the first game with Komodo. (Komodo-13.3-64bit: 67 => Average=0.67)

First game was using Arena

Code: Select all

Unfortunately, a frequently occurring problem
 in online chess is the employment of unauthorised aids,
 e.g. chess engines running in parallel. 
 As a way to measure tactical precision and as an indication 
 of possible computer help Centipawn Analysis has been introduced. 
 Strong GMs in long games reach CP losses between 15 and 25. 
 Club players achieve between 30 and 60.

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ChessQueen:   10/4/5/3/1  => Average=0.06
Komodo 13.3 64-bit:   16/18/13/14  => Average=0.15
Komodo-13.3-64bit:   67  => Average=0.67

Komodo squeeze the crap out of me this time the space was too much and my position was hopeless. Instead of 7.....Qb6, after I made the move I thought that 7......Qd8 could have been better and later push my pawn to f6. I am NOT using my best computer since Komodo is only playing me, but it could be defective since it is a refurbished
https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/ ... lsrc=aw.ds

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.12.08"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 Qa5+ 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. Bd2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3 7. Bxc3 Qb6 8.
e5 Nh6 9. Qa1 Nf5 10. b4 Bd7 11. Bd3 Nce7 12. a4 a6 13. Bd2 g6 14. O-O Qc7 15.
g4 Ng7 16. Bg5 h5 17. h3 Ra7 18. Kg2 Ng8 19. Rb1 Ra8 20. Qa3 hxg4 21. hxg4 b6
22. b5 1-0[/pgn]

[mwyoung]

Something is wrong here. Komodo gave this same handicap to GM Joel Benjamin successfully years ago, and I don't think you are in his class. I see that your engine searched 24 plies on the first two moves. On my laptop, same time control (7 threads), it searched 30 plies on first move and 33 plies on second! Even set to use just one thread, it searched 29 plies on first move, and again 29 on second. You are clearly doing something very wrong or have a very defective computer, I just can't guess what's wrong.

I am sure you did guess.

And it even picked up the issue you noted in the first game with Komodo. (Komodo-13.3-64bit: 67 => Average=0.67)

First game was using Arena

Code: Select all

Unfortunately, a frequently occurring problem
 in online chess is the employment of unauthorised aids,
 e.g. chess engines running in parallel. 
 As a way to measure tactical precision and as an indication 
 of possible computer help Centipawn Analysis has been introduced. 
 Strong GMs in long games reach CP losses between 15 and 25. 
 Club players achieve between 30 and 60.

Code: Select all

ChessQueen:   10/4/5/3/1  => Average=0.06
Komodo 13.3 64-bit:   16/18/13/14  => Average=0.15
Komodo-13.3-64bit:   67  => Average=0.67

Komodo squeeze the crap out of me this time the space was too much and my position was hopeless. Instead of 7.....Qb6, after I made the move I thought that 7......Qd8 could have been better and later push my pawn to f6. I am NOT using my best computer since Komodo is only playing me, but it could be defective since it is a refurbished
https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/ ... lsrc=aw.ds

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.12.08"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 Qa5+ 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. Bd2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3 7. Bxc3 Qb6 8.
e5 Nh6 9. Qa1 Nf5 10. b4 Bd7 11. Bd3 Nce7 12. a4 a6 13. Bd2 g6 14. O-O Qc7 15.
g4 Ng7 16. Bg5 h5 17. h3 Ra7 18. Kg2 Ng8 19. Rb1 Ra8 20. Qa3 hxg4 21. hxg4 b6
22. b5 1-0[/pgn]

It is not relevant what engine you played, or the computers condition. The problem is your centipawn score of 6.

[Uri Blass]

Something is wrong here. Komodo gave this same handicap to GM Joel Benjamin successfully years ago, and I don't think you are in his class. I see that your engine searched 24 plies on the first two moves. On my laptop, same time control (7 threads), it searched 30 plies on first move and 33 plies on second! Even set to use just one thread, it searched 29 plies on first move, and again 29 on second. You are clearly doing something very wrong or have a very defective computer, I just can't guess what's wrong.

I am sure you did guess.

And it even picked up the issue you noted in the first game with Komodo. (Komodo-13.3-64bit: 67 => Average=0.67)

First game was using Arena

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Unfortunately, a frequently occurring problem
 in online chess is the employment of unauthorised aids,
 e.g. chess engines running in parallel. 
 As a way to measure tactical precision and as an indication 
 of possible computer help Centipawn Analysis has been introduced. 
 Strong GMs in long games reach CP losses between 15 and 25. 
 Club players achieve between 30 and 60.

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ChessQueen:   10/4/5/3/1  => Average=0.06
Komodo 13.3 64-bit:   16/18/13/14  => Average=0.15
Komodo-13.3-64bit:   67  => Average=0.67

Komodo squeeze the crap out of me this time the space was too much and my position was hopeless. Instead of 7.....Qb6, after I made the move I thought that 7......Qd8 could have been better and later push my pawn to f6. I am NOT using my best computer since Komodo is only playing me, but it could be defective since it is a refurbished
https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/ ... lsrc=aw.ds

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.12.08"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[TimeControl "1200+10"]

1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 Qa5+ 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. Bd2 d5 6. a3 Bxc3 7. Bxc3 Qb6 8.
e5 Nh6 9. Qa1 Nf5 10. b4 Bd7 11. Bd3 Nce7 12. a4 a6 13. Bd2 g6 14. O-O Qc7 15.
g4 Ng7 16. Bg5 h5 17. h3 Ra7 18. Kg2 Ng8 19. Rb1 Ra8 20. Qa3 hxg4 21. hxg4 b6
22. b5 1-0[/pgn]

It is not relevant what engine you played, or the computers condition. The problem is your centipawn score of 6.

I think it is relatively easier not to do mistakes if you start with a big advantage so comparison to games when the human did not get the same handicap is not relevant.